<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Steph:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">So you know, ICANN has always insisted that with both the RA & RAA, agency rules apply. That is, in respect of resellers, they are mere agents of registrars and are thus bound by the terms and conditions of the RAA. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">What is never sure is whether this posture also commits ICANN to insist that redress for violations must be exacted from the principal.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">-Carlton</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br>==============================<br><i><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Carlton A Samuels</font></i><br><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><i>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</font></i></font><br>=============================</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Happy New Year all!
You are probably going to hate me because I am going to slow
us down again. The problem is that we frame the discussion
and thinking so very differently, depending on the expertise
that we bring to this debate, that understanding the minutiae
is very important. For instance on a recent call I
questioned whether an individual needed to look at WHOIS to
see who their registrar is, and was promptly corrected in this
matter. Naive person that I am, I had never plumbed the depths
of the reseller business, and I am not finding much useful
information on the ICANN site that will help me do this
(please help and point me to how this happens, what kind of
contracts pass on obligations, how this is interpreted under
DP law, why I cannot find my registrar on any of the lists of
ICANN accredited registrars, consumer protection obligations
under US law, how this works in the privacy proxy business
etc.). IN my responses to the questionnaire, I have pointed
out that it is the registrars and registries or their agents
that collect/generate the Thin data. The proposed RDS, which
at the moment is still protean, is not an entity, cannot
collect etc, but is instead a display mechanism or automated
disclosure instrument. So framing this in terms of collection
is in my view quite misleading, unless I am totally
misunderstanding the poll (always possible). <br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Anyway if anyone can
help me understand how resellers work I would be most
grateful. It would probably also save us a pile of time if I
understood it better, if that can possibly incentivize some
brave soul.....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Stephanie
Perrin<br>
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<div class="m_-418111174162468761moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-01-03 10:31, Gomes, Chuck
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<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText">A few weeks ago one of our WG members
said something to me that I think might be a good challenge
for many of us as we begin 2017: “<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I think
people (including me) need to snap back to attention. I
think we lost focus because of the incredible amount of lost
traffic on minutiae that was so hard for non-ICANN insiders
to follow.</span>”<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText">If this applies to you, I hope you will
respond.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I can
tell you that no one gets more frustrated with minutiae than
me. I have just been at this for so long that I have
learned minutiae for one person is important to someone else
so I have realized that I have to have a lot of patience.
Still, I often find myself wanting to push faster ahead and
the leadership team has to pull me back.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It has
taken us about 11 months to get to where we are and it may
seem like we have made very little progress but I am hopeful
that we have laid some building blocks that will make our
work ahead easier. We need to all keep in mind that the
ICANN community has been grappling with Whois (RDS) issues
for most of its 18-year existence with very minimal
progress. If we are going to change that pattern, we will
have to be patient and persistent.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As we
ended 2016 we reached the critical deliberation stage of
Work Plan Phase 1. None of us should think that that will be
easy or quick; it won’t be. But I am confident that we will
start to see more concrete results of our efforts.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
encourage all of you to start off this year by completing
the poll that was distributed last week. You have until
Friday of this week to complete it. Here is the link to the
poll:
<a href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/V3CWZBL" target="_blank">https://www.surveymonkey.com/<wbr>r/V3CWZBL</a>
.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Happy New
Year.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-418111174162468761MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Chuck<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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