<div dir="ltr">I think in this aspect the agent is used loosely as Agents of Registrants. Just like Volker has mentioned clearly that the Resellers do not identify themselves with the company but then they get sell services of the registrant. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div> <br>Regards <br>Nanghaka Daniel K.<br>Executive Director - ILICIT Africa / Council Member - FOSSFA / Community Lead - ISOC Uganda Chapter<br>Mobile +256 772 898298 (Uganda)<br></div><div>Skype: daniel.nanghaka<br></div><div><br></div><div>----------------------------------------- <i><span>"Working for Africa" </span></i>-----------------------------------------<br><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0BwH7MatcY6gPOGxHaDhJMGZwN2c&revid=0BwH7MatcY6gPWmQyTXJIdWtScmN2ZUxpRDBpZG8wZUd5ZkhBPQ" height="87" width="87"> <img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0BwH7MatcY6gPeFAxdFF3Skk4b3M&revid=0BwH7MatcY6gPK2MxMkFyME5BWS9hb0VQMFRmTVFTMlB2SENRPQ" height="73" width="278"><br><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0BwH7MatcY6gPSF9OWXFHYkV3ZVk&revid=0BwH7MatcY6gPcURiZC9meEU1cEJzaGk3TTBjOUE2NWNxSEg0PQ" height="86" width="436"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>we have hundreds of resellers who do not self-identify as such.
They open end customer accounts and register domains for others,
as their agents. No reseller agreements are in place in such cases
as we have no way of knowing. Consider for example web-developers
registering domains for their clients with a registrar. Or lawyers
registering domains for their clients. <br>
</p>
<p>I am using the term agent loosely in the sense of: "an entity
doing things at the request of another entity - whatever their
contractual relationship may be". <br>
</p><div><div class="h5">
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<div class="m_-1384794347612155847moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.01.2017 um 16:31 schrieb Greg
Shatan:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Volker,</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">What types of cases are
you thinking of? And how do reseller agreements in these
cases reflect that difference?</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In either case, are we
talking about a true legal "principal-agent" relationship?
(Defined as "A consensual relationship created by contract or
by law where one party, the principal, grants authority for
another party, the agent, to act on behalf of and under the
control of the principal to deal with a third party. An agency
relationship is fiduciary in nature [to the benefit of the
principal], and the actions and words of an agent exchanged
with a third party bind the principal."? Or are we using the
term "agent" more loosely?</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks for any light
you can shed on the topic.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 5:49 AM, Volker
Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p>This is not always the case. Many resellers are more
like agents of the registrant than agents of the
registrar.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
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03.01.2017 um 23:51 schrieb Alan Greenberg:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> How resellers work is
relatively straight forward. They are agents working
on behalf of a registrar. The handle the transaction
and often ongoing contact with the registrant. Some
registrars have no resellers, others some resellers,
and some registrars only work through resellers and
have no direct registratns. Of course, you may find
that a reseller is really a subsidiary of the
registrar (or in some other business relationship
with them other than purely a reseller).<br>
<br>
Until relatively recently, ICANN took the position
that since they had no contract with resellers, they
had no control over what resellers did. In more
recent RAAs, there are explicit clauses which
require that if a registrar delegates anything to
resellers, that they must ensure that the reseller
fulfill any obligations that the registrar would
have if they were dealing with the registrant
directly. Past RAAs only covereed some of these
requirements but my recollection is that the current
RAA pretty much puts a registrant in the same
situation regardless of whether they are dealing
with the registrar directly or a reseller (I may be
wrong about that, but that is my recollection).<br>
<br>
Of course, it is up to the registrar to ensure that
these obligations are followed, or ICANN compliance
to identify places where they may not be doing so.<br>
<br>
Is that any clearer?<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
<br>
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At 03/01/2017 02:56 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="m_-1384794347612155847m_3441130777942343059cite"><font size="1">Happy
New Year all! You are probably going to hate me
because I am going to slow us down again. The
problem is that we frame the discussion and
thinking so very differently, depending on the
expertise that we bring to this debate, that
understanding the minutiae is very important.
For instance on a recent call I questioned
whether an individual needed to look at WHOIS to
see who their registrar is, and was promptly
corrected in this matter. Naive person that I
am, I had never plumbed the depths of the
reseller business, and I am not finding much
useful information on the ICANN site that will
help me do this (please help and point me to how
this happens, what kind of contracts pass on
obligations, how this is interpreted under DP
law, why I cannot find my registrar on any of
the lists of ICANN accredited registrars,
consumer protection obligations under US law,
how this works in the privacy proxy business
etc.). IN my responses to the questionnaire, I
have pointed out that it is the registrars and
registries or their agents that collect/generate
the Thin data. The proposed RDS, which at the
moment is still protean, is not an entity,
cannot collect etc, but is instead a display
mechanism or automated disclosure instrument.
So framing this in terms of collection is in my
view quite misleading, unless I am totally
misunderstanding the poll (always possible). <br>
</font><br>
<font size="1">Anyway if anyone can help me
understand how resellers work I would be most
grateful. It would probably also save us a pile
of time if I understood it better, if that can
possibly incentivize some brave soul.....<br>
</font><br>
<font size="1">cheers Stephanie Perrin<br>
</font><br>
<br>
<br>
On 2017-01-03 10:31, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="m_-1384794347612155847m_3441130777942343059cite">A few weeks
ago one of our WG members said something to me
that I think might be a good challenge for many
of us as we begin 2017: “I think people
(including me) need to snap back to attention. I
think we lost focus because of the incredible
amount of lost traffic on minutiae that was so
hard for non-ICANN insiders to follow.”<br>
<br>
If this applies to you, I hope you will respond.<br>
<br>
I can tell you that no one gets more frustrated
with minutiae than me. I have just been at this
for so long that I have learned minutiae for one
person is important to someone else so I have
realized that I have to have a lot of patience.
Still, I often find myself wanting to push
faster ahead and the leadership team has to pull
me back.<br>
<br>
It has taken us about 11 months to get to where
we are and it may seem like we have made very
little progress but I am hopeful that we have
laid some building blocks that will make our
work ahead easier. We need to all keep in mind
that the ICANN community has been grappling with
Whois (RDS) issues for most of its 18-year
existence with very minimal progress. If we are
going to change that pattern, we will have to be
patient and persistent.<br>
<br>
As we ended 2016 we reached the critical
deliberation stage of Work Plan Phase 1. None of
us should think that that will be easy or quick;
it won’t be. But I am confident that we will
start to see more concrete results of our
efforts.<br>
<br>
I encourage all of you to start off this year by
completing the poll that was distributed last
week. You have until Friday of this week to
complete it. Here is the link to the poll: <a href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/V3CWZBL" target="_blank"> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r<wbr>/V3CWZBL</a>
.<br>
<br>
Happy New Year.<br>
<br>
Chuck<br>
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