<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Since we were talking about entities "<span style="font-size:12.8px">who do not self-identify as" resellers, who aren't resellers within the meaning of the term in the RAA, and who almost certainly don't carry out most of the functions of resellers set forth in Section 3.12 of the RAA, it's confusing at best to call all of these intermediaries "resellers."</span><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">I doubt that big resellers such as ISPs and hosting providers will turn into "gray market account holders." Domain name reselling is just an integrated part of their overall online offering. I don't expect that this type of reseller would register your domain in their own name (but I could be wrong, of course). I think this is much more common with your friendly neighborhood web developer, advertising/marketing agency, etc., who then registers the domain name with their registrar (often as if they were an end user). (I run across this quite often with smaller clients, and I try to fix it as quickly as possible.)</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Greg S.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Andrew Sullivan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Wed, Jan 04, 2017 at 12:54:57PM -0500, Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br>
> is also becoming crystal clear that the "dumb" user may not be dealing with<br>
> someone who takes his/her fiduciary responsibilities seriously, particularly<br>
> with respect to the retention of the domain. If I let someone register my<br>
> small business name for me, would I necessarily know that it was registered<br>
> in a resellers name? IF the reseller gets an offer, even a modest one, to<br>
> buy the name, how confident can I be that my registrar/reseller/hosting<br>
> company will not let it go to the higher bidder?<br>
<br>
</span>Presumably, this is what the contracts you had with your vendor are<br>
for. It is certainly not within ICANN's mission to have it go around<br>
enforcing every contractual relationship anyone ever undertakes with<br>
respect to domain names, and I do not want to live in the world where<br>
that _does_ become part of ICANN's mission.<br>
<br>
But in any case, all of this appears to illustrate pretty convincingly<br>
why being able to look up the actual party who actually registered a<br>
domain is at least _prima facie_ pretty useful for network operations.<br>
Right?<br>
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