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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>"<a href="mailto:owner-gnso-secs@icann.org">owner-gnso-secs@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:owner-gnso-secs@icann.org">owner-gnso-secs@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Nathalie Peregrine <<a href="mailto:nathalie.peregrine@icann.org">nathalie.peregrine@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 11:52 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[gnso-secs] Mp3, Attendance, AC Chat for Next-Gen RDS PDP WG on Wednesday, 18 January 2017 at 06:00 UTC<br>
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<b>MP3:</b> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gnso-2Dnextgen-2Drds-2Dpdp-2D18jan17-2Den.mp3&d=DwMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=KzV067Eeyuj3JRSZjh52PCELr7QkhUBq7VIagMYGQHQ&s=uyVJrYZT_qdZJbfPUPpqgfDfWFEr8V_cPaLxcsC8WHg&e=">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-pdp-18jan17-en.mp3[audio.icann.org]</a></p>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP WG call on Wednesday 18 January 2017 at 06:00 UTC.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Meeting page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_EbTDAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=9uxit6N-giqXHRfYH-5VIR7I-CJjYrAxWqkj2PJDjGc&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_EbTDAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=9uxit6N-giqXHRfYH-5VIR7I-CJjYrAxWqkj2PJDjGc&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:good morning people</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:it's good middle of the bloody night :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:Morning?!!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:Good Afternoon ;-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:Hi all...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:Bonjour à tous / hello to everyone </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Good morning all.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:MUTE yourselves please</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:good morning</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tapani Tarvainen:Decent hour in Finland, too</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0):Morning All</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:6am is an hour</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tapani Tarvainen:8am here</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:I'm not sure if it's decent or desiarable</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):not thaat horrible - 9am</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Farell FOLLY (africa 2.0):6 am here !</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:Currently in Bangkok 1 PM</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:so not to bad</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:1 am here. I am not at my perkiest I must admit.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:So a silent Stephanie today? ;-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Not likely...just delayed, I suspect....:-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:no, I haven't seen anything</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Sam Lanfranco npoc/csih:Stephanie is probably quiet because it is -5C outside and the weather is freezing rain (-: </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Actually, question 3 assessed level of support for several listed purposes, not just Domain Name Certification</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Yes Sam, if the power goes out again I may be extra quiet....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:1995 - earlier if you count the RSA days :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:@Alex - Nice!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Sam Lanfranco npoc/csih:Question: What percentage of DN Certificate Requests turn out to be bogus?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):current WHOIS data is not 100% true .. should we assume that not all 100% are good?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:I need some clarification about the first question as iam newcomer in this WG ,Thanks my second do you have some resources for no-English speaker ?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:or .se / .nu where there are no info in whois for private persons</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Geoff, with respect to thin data elements, which elements are consulted for this authentication?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:My current bugbear is a particular company who insists on sending us their requests</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:not to our clients</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:The challenge with the WHOIS is that there is no appropriate verification method for the users - there should be a way to validate sensitive data </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:How often do you need to authenticate for these certificates?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:at least once per year</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Do you rely on what is in WHOIS, OR do you call the technical/administrative contact?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:per domain/ certificate</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:what data do you trust? IN other words, how do you verify the data?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:domain validated certs are the cheapest ones</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:they're also the fastest ones to get issued</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:the level of "trust" is negligible</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:But what are they worth?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Stephanie - to whom?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:To anyone who is relying on the certificate....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):hhmm .. and if the mailbox was compromised ?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:FYI - they're also used by valid users like me :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:I'm using one on michele.blog</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:You could argue that Domain Validation certs are good for encryption only. they provide zero value from an authentication/identity point of view. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:I would have no clue what I am using. I think I speak for most consumers....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:what Alex said</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:they're a step up from a self-signed cert</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Thanks Alex, that is kind of where I was heading....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:This is where Domain verification comes in strongly - and the Domain validated certificates should be placed in the page of the Domain to prove that the domain is validated. The Company should
have a respective data handler who will be responsible for domain validation and certificate authentication. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Daniel - which company?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:Unsure how you will make that happen Daniel?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):The company</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):in some movies it was the name for one of the agencies</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:@stephanie - it depends on the type of cert. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:@Michele - the company that that owns the Domain</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:Yes, the biggest challenge is that many companies take these certificates for granted</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Daniel - what makes you think they're a company? these days a LOT of the domain validated certs are for individiuals not companies</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__letsencrypt.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=gUMAlV9Le_Uk-WKSJISZI3A_tCUNIGZECo84Qr5k-w0&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__letsencrypt.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=gUMAlV9Le_Uk-WKSJISZI3A_tCUNIGZECo84Qr5k-w0&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:see also <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__motherboard.vice.com_read_google-2Dwill-2Dsoon-2Dshame-2Dall-2Dwebsites-2Dthat-2Dare-2Dunencrypted-2Dchrome-2Dhttps&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=pFgFCnrUIsQEyD06VMwyJjHMCAjk5hpZrorKO9I0cCU&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__motherboard.vice.com_read_google-2Dwill-2Dsoon-2Dshame-2Dall-2Dwebsites-2Dthat-2Dare-2Dunencrypted-2Dchrome-2Dhttps&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=pFgFCnrUIsQEyD06VMwyJjHMCAjk5hpZrorKO9I0cCU&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):letsencrypt ... they relay on publicsuffix, for exumple and the latter uses whois ...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*example</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the only other source of info ... is LEA </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:@maxim - you lost me. what info does LEA have?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Law Enforcement Agency</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:i know what lea stands for....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:I must be missing something here. If I am a legitimate rep of a company requesting a cert, why could you not ask for a whole mess of non-publically available data, signed by the company, to validate
my request?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):current internet users will surely suffer (and services too ) if certificates are no more</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Stephanie - because it's time consuming and a pain in the neck?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:If you are looking for a phone number is that part of thin data? I did not think so. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:it doesn't scale</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:@stephanie - a CA needs a way to "bind" (associate) an org/user with a domain. WHOIS does this today. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:phone numbers are "thick"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:That is what I thought. So we are talking about thick data here. And if only some registrants want certs, then why should all registrants have to put their thick data in WHOIS?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Note that handout is now displayed, showing this purpose and related thin data elements</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:So what percentage of registrations want/need certs?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Stephanie - see the link I posted above</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:Soon every active domains with a website</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:what Benny said :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:We are talking about a purpose for collection. I will certainly argue about disclosure. you are collecting for a valid purpose. We need to discuss how you are going to use and disclose it.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:@Maxim I need more information when you said the current internet user will sufer if we don't have more certifications </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:As far as I can see though, you are not collecting any separate data elements solely for the purpose of domain certs. validation</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Stephanie - in thin?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Abdeldjalil lots of services redend on certificates ... e-mail , online banking e.t.c.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:certainly in thin, but even in thick...what new data elements are you looking for?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Stephanie - no new ones</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong:Thanks @Maxim </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:After we get rough consensus on purposes for collecting thin data, we'll move to Data Elements and examine the individual data elements needed by that purpose, and given that we can look at under what
conditions that data should be disclosed for that purpose...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:I seem to be the only one quibbling here. I am not arguing about the importance of encryption, or certification of sites. I am quibbling about whether authenticators, who arguably ought to be
trusted parties, should be harvesting this data off an open WHOIS. If this is what they are doing as part of their functions, they could be autheticated to seek the data at a deeper level.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Sam, do study subjects not have any opportunity for anonymity, or does it depend on the study and the types of data involved?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:It depends on the university ethics protocols. Certainly in Canadian unis you would not be able to disclose the personal data, you would have to bind users to the same privacy commitements.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:ICANN would have to set a research protocol for this, that meets the highest standard, otherwise academic access could become one of those jurisdictional nightmares....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Rod, you propose adding Name Servers and Registrar to the list of thin data elements for this purpose?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Is it not the case that every time you need thick data, you absolutely have to have access to the thin data to get at it??</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Stephanie, yes, you need at least Domain Name to query any WHOIS data, but beyond that you may not need other thin data elements (dates, etc) for a given purpose</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Stephanie - yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Thanks Michele</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:the thin tells you where to find the thick</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:(sort of)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:(and I can't believe I just wrote that and it made sense to me)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:It is indeed a worrying sign...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:We have been at this a full year, I would point out....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Consumer protection is very limited. Yes it is a valid purpose. Disclosure is another matter...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Sam Lanfranco npoc/csih:Q. Thin raw data from the polls, or Thick raw data from the polls? (-:</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):just add checkbox - I do want my name shown</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tapani Tarvainen:Analyzing pdf is not impossible, it's just a bit less convenient than xls</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:I think it would be interesting to see both. I want to look for contradictions in responses. I also want to look for aggregates.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):NamesCon?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tapani Tarvainen:(having written a number of pdf-to-text thingies...)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Could we add example of report as a header to survey? like after you fill this - it is going to look like this and that?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:In short, we would need to get consent of all who responded</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):P.s: my IP address is useless ... giant NAT pool of the local ISP</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Stephanie is that you??</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tapani Tarvainen:+1 Stephanie. Don't really see any privacy issue here.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:has someone hijacked her identity??</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:/me ducks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Maxim, generally not true of respondents taking survey from within corporate networks - in that case, IP is often static</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Sadly I may not be on the call next week, depending on travel schedule</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Lisa, agree - it depends</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Bye all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny / Nordreg AB:bye all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Patrick Lenihan:Thanks to Each and All!</div>
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