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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I will do my best to
make the call next week, but am travelling so may not manage
it. Since I am the one querying the suggestion that
protecting the data and the names of the individuals under the
rubric of privacy is a wee bit off base, </font></font><font
size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"><font size="+1"><font
face="Lucida Grande">believing instead that people should
be accountable for what they are putting in their polling
data, </font></font>here is my view, for what it is
worth.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">1. ICANN is
fundamentally an open, transparent multistakeholder
organization where pdps are open to all. There is an
expectation that there will be robust debate and that people
will be accountable for the views they wish to express. IF a
person wishes to watch what is happening and not participate,
they can monitor and thereby not be forced to express a view.
Participation in the working group should mean that one's
expectations of privacy in terms of opinions expressed is very
limited. I would like to hear the arguments for such an
opinion, if anyone has advanced them.<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">2. In this respect,
if an organization sends a representative to attend a pdp and
they do not have the authority to speak for the organization
without vetting/checking, they have a number of options: a)
omit the survey b) fill it out in their own name with caveats
that they do not represent the organization c) get the survey
questions and consult on the answers. I don't really think it
is acceptable for organizations to anonymously fill out the
survey, just as I don't buy the privacy argument from
individuals.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">3. The data is useful
to those of us who are trying to understand where people are
coming from. As I have said numerous times, we all view these
matters from our own perspectives and knowledge base. I am
trying to understand the degree to which people still do not
understand privacy concepts, which I think I can detect from
their answers. (others may wonder why I still don't
understand how the RDS works, fair enough says I! CHeck my
data, it might help you detect necessary educational opportunities...)
I am also interested in the variance across questions,
cumulative totals per SG, etc etc). <br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">4. At a rather
fundamental level, data that is used by us even to form rough
concepts of concensus should be accessible to all in my view.
This is very controversial topic which has caused considerable
conflict over the years, let us try to minimize any potential
for later questions or distrust by ensuring all data is
available.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">There are ways around
this problem of disclosure vs non-disclosure.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">1. Inform people that
polling data will be available. Forwarned. <br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">2. RElease data minus
the name. However, folks will be guessing who is from what
constituency, and frankly we must have the constituency data.
Normally for disclosure of PI for people in groups we go by
the rule of 4.....rarely are there 4 NCSG folks filling out
the polls, so you can identify us anyway, this may be
different for other groups. I think this one is a non-starter
but there it is.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">3. Seek consent. As
discussed above, I don't think the privacy arguments hold
water; it is bad policy to seek consent on something that you
could not /should not protect in the first place. Also a
non-starter in my view, but there it is.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Again, I hope to make
the call next week but wanted to start off this discussion on
the list in case I don't make it.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Cheers STephanie<br>
</font></font></p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-01-18 10:45, Gomes, Chuck
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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those of you who were unable to attend this meeting, I
encourage you to listen to the MP3 recording and/or review
the transcript as well as the notes that Marika sent right
after the meeting. We made quite a lot of progress; we
discussed all of the remaining proposed purposes for the
collection of thin data and there were no objections from
anyone on the call to the conclusion that each of the
purposes are legitimate for the collection of thin data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
third purpose, where we started for this meeting, is Domain
Name Certification. We spent quite a bit of time talking
about this. For those who feel that you do not understand
this purpose fully, at about 14:50 into the call we had what
I thought was a very good discussion designed to make sure
everyone understands Domain Name Certification, so I
encourage you to at least listen to that portion and the
discussion following where we discussed whether it was an
acceptable purpose. You will note that some thick data
elements were also mentioned but we did not make any
conclusions regarding thick data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Once
we finished our deliberation on Domain Name Certification,
there was just minimal discussion on the other remaining
purposes so you may not find the balance of the recording
very informative.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Near
the very end of the recording we alerted everyone to an
agenda topic we will have next week about whether raw poll
data should be shared with the WG and, if so, in what way.
Those not on the call may benefit from listening to that
discussion in preparation for next week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Happy
listening.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathalie Peregrine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Updated:
Mp3, Attendance, AC Chat for Next-Gen RDS PDP WG on
Wednesday, 18 January 2017 at 06:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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updated apologies</span></b><span
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</span></b><span
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on behalf of Nathalie Peregrine <<a
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 11:52 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Cc: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-secs] Mp3, Attendance, AC Chat for
Next-Gen RDS PDP WG on Wednesday, 18 January 2017 at 06:00
UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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email and the MP3 recording below for the Next-Gen
RDS PDP Working group call held on Wednesday, 18
January 2017 at 06:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Chat Next-Gen RDS PDP WG Wednesday 18 January
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Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the
Next-Gen RDS PDP WG call on Wednesday 18 January
2017 at 06:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:good morning people<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:it's good middle of the bloody night :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chuck
Gomes:Morning?!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:Good Afternoon ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:Hi all...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Abdeldjalil
Bachar Bong:Bonjour à tous / hello to everyone <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):Good morning all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:MUTE yourselves please<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:good morning<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Tapani
Tarvainen:Decent hour in Finland, too<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Farell
FOLLY (africa 2.0):Morning All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:6am is an hour<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Tapani
Tarvainen:8am here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:I'm not sure if it's decent or desiarable<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):not thaat horrible - 9am<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Farell
FOLLY (africa 2.0):6 am here !<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:Currently in Bangkok 1 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:so not to bad<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:1 am here. I am not at my perkiest I
must admit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:So a silent Stephanie today? ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:Not likely...just delayed, I
suspect....:-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Marika
Konings:no, I haven't seen anything<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Sam
Lanfranco npoc/csih:Stephanie is probably
quiet because it is -5C outside and the weather
is freezing rain (-: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:Actually, question 3 assessed level of
support for several listed purposes, not just
Domain Name Certification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:Yes Sam, if the power goes out again I
may be extra quiet....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:1995 - earlier if you count the RSA days
:)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:@Alex - Nice!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Sam
Lanfranco npoc/csih:Question: What percentage
of DN Certificate Requests turn out to be bogus?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):current WHOIS data is not 100%
true .. should we assume that not all 100% are
good?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Abdeldjalil
Bachar Bong:I need some clarification about the
first question as iam newcomer in this WG
,Thanks my second do you have some resources for
no-English speaker ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:or .se / .nu where there are no
info in whois for private persons<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:@Geoff, with respect to thin data
elements, which elements are consulted for this
authentication?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:My current bugbear is a particular
company who insists on sending us their requests<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:not to our clients<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Daniel
K. Nanghaka:The challenge with the WHOIS is that
there is no appropriate verification method for
the users - there should be a way to validate
sensitive data <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:How often do you need to authenticate for
these certificates?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:at least once per year<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:Do you rely on what is in WHOIS, OR do
you call the technical/administrative contact?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:per domain/ certificate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:what data do you trust? IN other words,
how do you verify the data?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:domain validated certs are the cheapest
ones<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:they're also the fastest ones to get
issued<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:the level of "trust" is negligible<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:But what are they worth?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie - to whom?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:To anyone who is relying on the
certificate....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):hhmm .. and if the mailbox was
compromised ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:FYI - they're also used by valid users
like me :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:I'm using one on michele.blog<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:You could argue that Domain Validation
certs are good for encryption only. they
provide zero value from an
authentication/identity point of view. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:I would have no clue what I am using. I
think I speak for most consumers....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:what Alex said<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:they're a step up from a self-signed cert<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:Thanks Alex, that is kind of where I was
heading....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Daniel
K. Nanghaka:This is where Domain verification
comes in strongly - and the Domain validated
certificates should be placed in the page of the
Domain to prove that the domain is validated.
The Company should have a respective data
handler who will be responsible for domain
validation and certificate authentication. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:Daniel - which company?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:Unsure how you will make that
happen Daniel?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):The company<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):in some movies it was the name
for one of the agencies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:@stephanie - it depends on the type of
cert. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Daniel
K. Nanghaka:@Michele - the company that that
owns the Domain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Daniel
K. Nanghaka:Yes, the biggest challenge is that
many companies take these certificates for
granted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:Daniel - what makes you think they're a
company? these days a LOT of the domain
validated certs are for individiuals not
companies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__letsencrypt.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=gUMAlV9Le_Uk-WKSJISZI3A_tCUNIGZECo84Qr5k-w0&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__letsencrypt.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=gUMAlV9Le_Uk-WKSJISZI3A_tCUNIGZECo84Qr5k-w0&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:see also <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__motherboard.vice.com_read_google-2Dwill-2Dsoon-2Dshame-2Dall-2Dwebsites-2Dthat-2Dare-2Dunencrypted-2Dchrome-2Dhttps&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=pFgFCnrUIsQEyD06VMwyJjHMCAjk5hpZrorKO9I0cCU&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__motherboard.vice.com_read_google-2Dwill-2Dsoon-2Dshame-2Dall-2Dwebsites-2Dthat-2Dare-2Dunencrypted-2Dchrome-2Dhttps&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=pFgFCnrUIsQEyD06VMwyJjHMCAjk5hpZrorKO9I0cCU&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):letsencrypt ... they relay on
publicsuffix, for exumple and the latter uses
whois ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):*example<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):the only other source of info
... is LEA <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:@maxim - you lost me. what info does
LEA have?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):Law Enforcement Agency<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:i know what lea stands for....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:I must be missing something here. If I
am a legitimate rep of a company requesting a
cert, why could you not ask for a whole mess of
non-publically available data, signed by the
company, to validate my request?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):current internet users will
surely suffer (and services too ) if
certificates are no more<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie - because it's time consuming
and a pain in the neck?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:If you are looking for a phone number is
that part of thin data? I did not think so. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:it doesn't scale<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:@stephanie - a CA needs a way to "bind"
(associate) an org/user with a domain. WHOIS
does this today. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:phone numbers are "thick"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:That is what I thought. So we are
talking about thick data here. And if only some
registrants want certs, then why should all
registrants have to put their thick data in
WHOIS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:Note that handout is now displayed,
showing this purpose and related thin data
elements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:So what percentage of registrations
want/need certs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie - see the link I posted above<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:Soon every active domains with a
website<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:what Benny said :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:We are talking about a purpose for
collection. I will certainly argue about
disclosure. you are collecting for a valid
purpose. We need to discuss how you are going
to use and disclose it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Abdeldjalil
Bachar Bong:@Maxim I need more information when
you said the current internet user will sufer if
we don't have more certifications <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:As far as I can see though, you are not
collecting any separate data elements solely for
the purpose of domain certs. validation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie - in thin?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):@Abdeldjalil lots of services
redend on certificates ... e-mail , online
banking e.t.c.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:certainly in thin, but even in
thick...what new data elements are you looking
for?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie - no new ones<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Abdeldjalil
Bachar Bong:Thanks @Maxim <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:After we get rough consensus on purposes
for collecting thin data, we'll move to Data
Elements and examine the individual data
elements needed by that purpose, and given that
we can look at under what conditions that data
should be disclosed for that purpose...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:I seem to be the only one quibbling
here. I am not arguing about the importance of
encryption, or certification of sites. I am
quibbling about whether authenticators, who
arguably ought to be trusted parties, should be
harvesting this data off an open WHOIS. If this
is what they are doing as part of their
functions, they could be autheticated to seek
the data at a deeper level.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:@Sam, do study subjects not have any
opportunity for anonymity, or does it depend on
the study and the types of data involved?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:It depends on the university ethics
protocols. Certainly in Canadian unis you would
not be able to disclose the personal data, you
would have to bind users to the same privacy
commitements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:ICANN would have to set a research
protocol for this, that meets the highest
standard, otherwise academic access could become
one of those jurisdictional nightmares....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:@Rod, you propose adding Name Servers and
Registrar to the list of thin data elements for
this purpose?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:Is it not the case that every time you
need thick data, you absolutely have to have
access to the thin data to get at it??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:@Stephanie, yes, you need at least Domain
Name to query any WHOIS data, but beyond that
you may not need other thin data elements
(dates, etc) for a given purpose<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie - yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:Thanks Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:the thin tells you where to find the
thick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:(sort of)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:(and I can't believe I just wrote that
and it made sense to me)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:It is indeed a worrying sign...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:We have been at this a full year, I would
point out....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:Consumer protection is very limited. Yes
it is a valid purpose. Disclosure is another
matter...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Sam
Lanfranco npoc/csih:Q. Thin raw data from the
polls, or Thick raw data from the polls? (-:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):just add checkbox - I do want my
name shown<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Tapani
Tarvainen:Analyzing pdf is not impossible, it's
just a bit less convenient than xls<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:I think it would be interesting to see
both. I want to look for contradictions in
responses. I also want to look for aggregates.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):NamesCon?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Tapani
Tarvainen:(having written a number of
pdf-to-text thingies...)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):Could we add example of report
as a header to survey? like after you fill this
- it is going to look like this and that?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:In short, we would need to get consent of
all who responded<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):P.s: my IP address is useless
... giant NAT pool of the local ISP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie is that you??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Tapani
Tarvainen:+1 Stephanie. Don't really see any
privacy issue here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:has someone hijacked her identity??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michele
Neylon:/me ducks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:@Maxim, generally not true of respondents
taking survey from within corporate networks -
in that case, IP is often static<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:Sadly I may not be on the call next week,
depending on travel schedule<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):@Lisa, agree - it depends<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):Bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Daniel
K. Nanghaka:bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Patrick
Lenihan:Thanks to Each and All!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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