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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">It is your inner Canadian
coming out there Greg, doubtless a harbinger of further
agreement to come....<span class="moz-smiley-s5"><span>:-D</span></span><br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">SP</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-01-19 12:35, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I never thought I would
agree with Stephanie on a privacy-related matter.... 😂</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">But I do this time.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 11:44 AM,
Gomes, Chuck <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Thanks
for your thoughtful contributions to this discussion
Stephanie.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Chuck</span></p>
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name="m_7186021843802509145__MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> </span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephanie Perrin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
FW: Updated: Mp3, Attendance, AC Chat for
Next-Gen RDS PDP WG on Wednesday, 18 January
2017 at 06:00 UTC</span></p>
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<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">I will do my best to make
the call next week, but am travelling so may not
manage it. Since I am the one querying the
suggestion that protecting the data and the
names of the individuals under the rubric of
privacy is a wee bit off base, believing instead
that people should be accountable for what they
are putting in their polling data, here is my
view, for what it is worth.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">1. ICANN is fundamentally
an open, transparent multistakeholder
organization where pdps are open to all. There
is an expectation that there will be robust
debate and that people will be accountable for
the views they wish to express. IF a person
wishes to watch what is happening and not
participate, they can monitor and thereby not be
forced to express a view. Participation in the
working group should mean that one's
expectations of privacy in terms of opinions
expressed is very limited. I would like to hear
the arguments for such an opinion, if anyone has
advanced them.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">2. In this respect, if an
organization sends a representative to attend a
pdp and they do not have the authority to speak
for the organization without vetting/checking,
they have a number of options: a) omit the
survey b) fill it out in their own name with
caveats that they do not represent the
organization c) get the survey questions and
consult on the answers. I don't really think it
is acceptable for organizations to anonymously
fill out the survey, just as I don't buy the
privacy argument from individuals.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">3. The data is useful to
those of us who are trying to understand where
people are coming from. As I have said numerous
times, we all view these matters from our own
perspectives and knowledge base. I am trying to
understand the degree to which people still do
not understand privacy concepts, which I think I
can detect from their answers. (others may
wonder why I still don't understand how the RDS
works, fair enough says I! CHeck my data, it
might help you detect necessary educational
opportunities...) I am also interested in the
variance across questions, cumulative totals per
SG, etc etc).
</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">4. At a rather fundamental
level, data that is used by us even to form
rough concepts of concensus should be accessible
to all in my view. This is very controversial
topic which has caused considerable conflict
over the years, let us try to minimize any
potential for later questions or distrust by
ensuring all data is available.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">There are ways around this
problem of disclosure vs non-disclosure.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">1. Inform people that
polling data will be available. Forwarned.
</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">2. RElease data minus the
name. However, folks will be guessing who is
from what constituency, and frankly we must have
the constituency data. Normally for disclosure
of PI for people in groups we go by the rule of
4.....rarely are there 4 NCSG folks filling out
the polls, so you can identify us anyway, this
may be different for other groups. I think this
one is a non-starter but there it is.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">3. Seek consent. As
discussed above, I don't think the privacy
arguments hold water; it is bad policy to seek
consent on something that you could not /should
not protect in the first place. Also a
non-starter in my view, but there it is.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">Again, I hope to make the
call next week but wanted to start off this
discussion on the list in case I don't make it.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">Cheers STephanie</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-01-18 10:45, Gomes,
Chuck wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For
those of you who were unable to attend this
meeting, I encourage you to listen to the MP3
recording and/or review the transcript as well
as the notes that Marika sent right after the
meeting. We made quite a lot of progress; we
discussed all of the remaining proposed
purposes for the collection of thin data and
there were no objections from anyone on the
call to the conclusion that each of the
purposes are legitimate for the collection of
thin data.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
third purpose, where we started for this
meeting, is Domain Name Certification. We
spent quite a bit of time talking about this.
For those who feel that you do not understand
this purpose fully, at about 14:50 into the
call we had what I thought was a very good
discussion designed to make sure everyone
understands Domain Name Certification, so I
encourage you to at least listen to that
portion and the discussion following where we
discussed whether it was an acceptable
purpose. You will note that some thick data
elements were also mentioned but we did not
make any conclusions regarding thick data.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Once
we finished our deliberation on Domain Name
Certification, there was just minimal
discussion on the other remaining purposes so
you may not find the balance of the recording
very informative.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Near
the very end of the recording we alerted
everyone to an agenda topic we will have next
week about whether raw poll data should be
shared with the WG and, if so, in what way.
Those not on the call may benefit from
listening to that discussion in preparation
for next week.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Happy
listening.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Chuck</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathalie Peregrine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 18, 2017
6:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL]
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Updated: Mp3,
Attendance, AC Chat for Next-Gen RDS PDP
WG on Wednesday, 18 January 2017 at 06:00
UTC</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">With
updated apologies</span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:owner-gnso-secs@icann.org"
target="_blank">owner-gnso-secs@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:owner-gnso-secs@icann.org"
target="_blank">owner-gnso-secs@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Nathalie Peregrine <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nathalie.peregrine@icann.org"
target="_blank">nathalie.peregrine@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at
11:52 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-secs] Mp3,
Attendance, AC Chat for Next-Gen RDS PDP WG
on Wednesday, 18 January 2017 at 06:00 UTC</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear
all,</span></p>
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style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please
find the attendance of the call
attached to this email and the MP3
recording below for the Next-Gen RDS
PDP Working group call held on
Wednesday, 18 January 2017 at 06:00
UTC.</span></p>
<p style="line-height:15.6pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">MP3:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a
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target="_blank">https://audio.icann.org/<wbr>gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-pdp-<wbr>18jan17-en.mp3[audio.icann.<wbr>org]</a></span></p>
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style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
recordings and transcriptions of the
calls are posted on the GNSO Master
Calendar page:</span></p>
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you.</span></p>
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regards,</span></p>
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style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><u><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">AC
Chat Next-Gen RDS PDP
WG Wednesday 18 January 2017</span></u></b></p>
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Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all,
welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP WG
call on Wednesday 18 January 2017
at 06:00 UTC.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Nathalie
Peregrine:Meeting page: <a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:good morning people</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:it's good middle of the
bloody night :)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Chuck
Gomes:Morning?!!</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:Good Afternoon ;-)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Alex
Deacon:Hi all...</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Abdeldjalil
Bachar Bong:Bonjour à tous / hello
to everyone </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):Good morning all.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:MUTE yourselves please</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Fabricio
Vayra:good morning</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Tapani
Tarvainen:Decent hour in Finland,
too</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Farell
FOLLY (africa 2.0):Morning All</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:6am is an hour</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Tapani
Tarvainen:8am here</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:I'm not sure if it's decent
or desiarable</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):not thaat horrible
- 9am</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Farell
FOLLY (africa 2.0):6 am here !</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:Currently in Bangkok
1 PM</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:so not to bad</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:1 am here. I am not at my
perkiest I must admit.</span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:So a silent Stephanie
today? ;-)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:Not likely...just delayed,
I suspect....:-)</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Marika
Konings:no, I haven't seen
anything</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Sam
Lanfranco npoc/csih:Stephanie is
probably quiet because it is -5C
outside and the weather is
freezing rain (-: </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Lisa
Phifer:Actually, question 3
assessed level of support for
several listed purposes, not just
Domain Name Certification</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:Yes Sam, if the power goes
out again I may be extra quiet....</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Alex
Deacon:1995 - earlier if you count
the RSA days :)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Fabricio
Vayra:@Alex - Nice!</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Sam
Lanfranco npoc/csih:Question:
What percentage of DN Certificate
Requests turn out to be bogus?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):current WHOIS data
is not 100% true .. should we
assume that not all 100% are good?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Abdeldjalil
Bachar Bong:I need some
clarification about the first
question as iam newcomer in this
WG ,Thanks my second do you have
some resources for no-English
speaker ?</span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:or .se / .nu where
there are no info in whois for
private persons</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Lisa
Phifer:@Geoff, with respect to
thin data elements, which elements
are consulted for this
authentication?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:My current bugbear is a
particular company who insists on
sending us their requests</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:not to our clients</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Daniel
K. Nanghaka:The challenge with the
WHOIS is that there is no
appropriate verification method
for the users - there should be a
way to validate sensitive data </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:How often do you need to
authenticate for these
certificates?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:at least once per
year</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:Do you rely on what is in
WHOIS, OR do you call the
technical/administrative contact?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:per domain/
certificate</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:what data do you trust? IN
other words, how do you verify the
data?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:domain validated certs are
the cheapest ones</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:they're also the fastest
ones to get issued</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:the level of "trust" is
negligible</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:But what are they worth?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie - to whom?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:To anyone who is relying on
the certificate....</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):hhmm .. and if the
mailbox was compromised ?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:FYI - they're also used by
valid users like me :)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:I'm using one on
michele.blog</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Alex
Deacon:You could argue that Domain
Validation certs are good for
encryption only. they provide
zero value from an
authentication/identity point of
view. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:I would have no clue what I
am using. I think I speak for
most consumers....</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:what Alex said</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:they're a step up from a
self-signed cert</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:Thanks Alex, that is kind
of where I was heading....</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Daniel
K. Nanghaka:This is where Domain
verification comes in strongly -
and the Domain validated
certificates should be placed in
the page of the Domain to prove
that the domain is validated. The
Company should have a respective
data handler who will be
responsible for domain validation
and certificate authentication. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:Daniel - which company?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:Unsure how you will
make that happen Daniel?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):The company</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):in some movies it
was the name for one of the
agencies</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Alex
Deacon:@stephanie - it depends on
the type of cert. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Daniel
K. Nanghaka:@Michele - the company
that that owns the Domain</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Daniel
K. Nanghaka:Yes, the biggest
challenge is that many companies
take these certificates for
granted</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:Daniel - what makes you
think they're a company? these
days a LOT of the domain validated
certs are for individiuals not
companies</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__letsencrypt.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=gUMAlV9Le_Uk-WKSJISZI3A_tCUNIGZECo84Qr5k-w0&e="
target="_blank">https://urldefense.<wbr>proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-<wbr>3A__letsencrypt.org_&d=DwIFaQ&<wbr>c=<wbr>FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6<wbr>sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_<wbr>FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsy<wbr>XrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_<wbr>uTSDzgqG&m=<wbr>WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-<wbr>JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=<wbr>gUMAlV9Le_Uk-WKSJISZI3A_<wbr>tCUNIGZECo84Qr5k-w0&e=</a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:see also <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__motherboard.vice.com_read_google-2Dwill-2Dsoon-2Dshame-2Dall-2Dwebsites-2Dthat-2Dare-2Dunencrypted-2Dchrome-2Dhttps&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=pFgFCnrUIsQEyD06VMwyJjHMCAjk5hpZrorKO9I0cCU&e="
target="_blank">https://urldefense.<wbr>proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-<wbr>3A__motherboard.vice.com_read_<wbr>google-2Dwill-2Dsoon-2Dshame-<wbr>2Dall-2Dwebsites-2Dthat-2Dare-<wbr>2Dunencrypted-2Dchrome-<wbr>2Dhttps&d=DwIFaQ&c=<wbr>FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6<wbr>sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_<wbr>FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsy<wbr>XrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_<wbr>uTSDzgqG&m=<wbr>WjwIlN9HqKqst0hBUakd2-<wbr>JJXpDPPFOkSb7qA5DRdFM&s=<wbr>pFgFCnrUIsQEyD06VMwyJjHMCAjk5h<wbr>pZrorKO9I0cCU&e=</a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):letsencrypt ...
they relay on publicsuffix, for
exumple and the latter uses whois
...</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):*example</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):the only other
source of info ... is LEA </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Alex
Deacon:@maxim - you lost
me. what info does LEA have?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):Law Enforcement
Agency</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Alex
Deacon:i know what lea stands
for....</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:I must be missing something
here. If I am a legitimate rep of
a company requesting a cert, why
could you not ask for a whole mess
of non-publically available data,
signed by the company, to validate
my request?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):current internet
users will surely suffer (and
services too ) if certificates are
no more</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie - because it's
time consuming and a pain in the
neck?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:If you are looking for a
phone number is that part of thin
data? I did not think so. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:it doesn't scale</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Alex
Deacon:@stephanie - a CA needs a
way to "bind" (associate) an
org/user with a domain. WHOIS
does this today. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:phone numbers are "thick"</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:That is what I thought. So
we are talking about thick data
here. And if only some
registrants want certs, then why
should all registrants have to put
their thick data in WHOIS?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Lisa
Phifer:Note that handout is now
displayed, showing this purpose
and related thin data elements</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:So what percentage of
registrations want/need certs?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie - see the link I
posted above</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:Soon every active
domains with a website</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:what Benny said :)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:We are talking about a
purpose for collection. I will
certainly argue about
disclosure. you are collecting
for a valid purpose. We need to
discuss how you are going to use
and disclose it.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Abdeldjalil
Bachar Bong:@Maxim I need more
information when you said the
current internet user will sufer
if we don't have more
certifications </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:As far as I can see though,
you are not collecting any
separate data elements solely for
the purpose of domain certs.
validation</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie - in thin?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):@Abdeldjalil lots
of services redend on certificates
... e-mail , online banking e.t.c.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:certainly in thin, but even
in thick...what new data elements
are you looking for?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie - no new ones</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Abdeldjalil
Bachar Bong:Thanks @Maxim </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Lisa
Phifer:After we get rough
consensus on purposes for
collecting thin data, we'll move
to Data Elements and examine the
individual data elements needed by
that purpose, and given that we
can look at under what conditions
that data should be disclosed for
that purpose...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:I seem to be the only one
quibbling here. I am not arguing
about the importance of
encryption, or certification of
sites. I am quibbling about
whether authenticators, who
arguably ought to be trusted
parties, should be harvesting this
data off an open WHOIS. If this
is what they are doing as part of
their functions, they could be
autheticated to seek the data at a
deeper level.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Lisa
Phifer:@Sam, do study subjects not
have any opportunity for
anonymity, or does it depend on
the study and the types of data
involved?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:It depends on the
university ethics
protocols. Certainly in Canadian
unis you would not be able to
disclose the personal data, you
would have to bind users to the
same privacy commitements.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:ICANN would have to set a
research protocol for this, that
meets the highest standard,
otherwise academic access could
become one of those jurisdictional
nightmares....</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Lisa
Phifer:@Rod, you propose adding
Name Servers and Registrar to the
list of thin data elements for
this purpose?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:Is it not the case that
every time you need thick data,
you absolutely have to have access
to the thin data to get at it??</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Lisa
Phifer:@Stephanie, yes, you need
at least Domain Name to query any
WHOIS data, but beyond that you
may not need other thin data
elements (dates, etc) for a given
purpose</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie - yes</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:Thanks Michele</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:the thin tells you where to
find the thick</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:(sort of)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:(and I can't believe I just
wrote that and it made sense to
me)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:It is indeed a worrying
sign...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:We have been at this a full
year, I would point out....</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:Consumer protection is very
limited. Yes it is a valid
purpose. Disclosure is another
matter...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Sam
Lanfranco npoc/csih:Q. Thin raw
data from the polls, or Thick raw
data from the polls? (-:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):just add checkbox
- I do want my name shown</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Tapani
Tarvainen:Analyzing pdf is not
impossible, it's just a bit less
convenient than xls</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:I think it would be
interesting to see both. I want
to look for contradictions in
responses. I also want to look
for aggregates.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):NamesCon?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Tapani
Tarvainen:(having written a number
of pdf-to-text thingies...)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):Could we add
example of report as a header to
survey? like after you fill this -
it is going to look like this and
that?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Lisa
Phifer:In short, we would need to
get consent of all who responded</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):P.s: my IP address
is useless ... giant NAT pool of
the local ISP</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:Stephanie is that you??</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Tapani
Tarvainen:+1 Stephanie. Don't
really see any privacy issue here.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:has someone hijacked her
identity??</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Michele
Neylon:/me ducks</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Lisa
Phifer:@Maxim, generally not true
of respondents taking survey from
within corporate networks - in
that case, IP is often static</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Stephanie
Perrin:Sadly I may not be on the
call next week, depending on
travel schedule</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):@Lisa, agree - it
depends</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):Bye all</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Benny
/ Nordreg AB:bye all</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Daniel
K. Nanghaka:bye</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard"> Patrick
Lenihan:Thanks to Each and All!</span></p>
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