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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I love your analogy
Shane, it is perfect. In data protection terms that would be
a use. For a legitimate purpose... sledding. There might
have to be repercussions if you cracked the lid....that might
be a data breach<span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span><br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I hate being a nit
picker and calling out this distinction between purpose of
collection as opposed to purpose for use and disclosure, but
it is extremely important in terms of data protection. Some
laws are more clear than others on the distinction, and you
are correct that if we are not careful DP laws will forbid the
collection and disclosure of the data. It is certainly clear
that for collection of thin data, there is ample justification
for collecting the info based on ICANN's limited mandate.
However adding law enforcement and other similar website
related investigative activities to the list of legitimate purposes
is in my view opening a barn door. After a year of discussion
we may understand the nuance, that we are talking about thin
data, etc etc but when the fruits of our labours are published,
it looks like we have all agreed that law enforcement (eg) is
a legitimate purpose for collecting registration data. In my
view, it is not.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-01-22 04:03, Shane Kerr wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Greg,
If we can say that not all legitimate purposes have to be catered for,
then I agree with you. :)
If we say that tracking down the registrar of a domain as part of
trademark research is a legitimate purpose, that does not mean that we
have to design the system for this purpose, right?
To try an analogy: We can recognize that using the plastic top of a
garbage can as a sled is legitimate, but we don't insist on designing
lids with sledding in mind.
Full disclosure: My own take on the "legitimate purpose" discussion
with regards to "thin data" is that we need *some* purpose for both
gathering and publishing the information, because otherwise privacy
laws may prohibit companies from gathering or publishing it. Luckily I
think that there are so many such purposes that the need for the
information is indisputable.
Jumping ahead... as I said in a prior call (sorry for missing ones since
then), I would prefer that the information is then allowed for any
purpose, without restriction, because otherwise you have to have not
only tiresome rules about what is allowed but also the Internet Police
to enforce those rules, which seems like a step towards Armageddon.
Given that we're still talking about "thin data", which is basically
just a pointer to a registrar who has *actual* data, my own
recommendation is not to stress too much. This stuff is only very, very
vaguely personally identifiable.
Cheers,
--
Shane
At 2017-01-21 14:51:29 -0500
Greg Shatan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"><gregshatanipc@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I have to disagree. These are legitimate purposes for collection, as well
as for disclosure.
Greg
On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Stephanie Perrin <
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I filled it out, but I am afraid for most of the purposes I could not
agree. We do not *collect *data for many of those purposes. We disclose
it to people for those purposes, but the purpose of collecting those data
elements is not for tax collection, trademark enforcement actions, etc.
This is the conflation issue I have raised repeatedly.
Apologies if I did not make that point clear enough on the call.
Stephanie Perrin
On 2017-01-20 17:35, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
Please note that our current poll ends in about 24 hours. So far only 16
people have responded.
Chuck
*From:* <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a>-
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bounces@icann.org">bounces@icann.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org></a>] *On Behalf Of *Lisa
Phifer
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:50 PM
*To:* RDS PDP WG <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a>
*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18 January Poll on
Purpose
Dear all,
As directed in the 18 January WG call, this week's new Poll on Purpose is
now open for WG member participation:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/SZX9QJZ">https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/SZX9QJZ</a>
A PDF of this poll's questions and notes/recordings of the meeting are
posted on the 18 January meeting page: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.icann.org/x/">https://community.icann.org/x/</a>
EbTDAw
This poll will close at *COB Saturday 21 January 2017*.
All WG members are encouraged to participate in this poll to help advance
deliberation and prepare for next week's meeting.
Best regards,
Lisa
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