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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Note that all of you will get a reprieve from a poll this week. We decided that we didn’t have any questions to ask.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lisa Phifer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 24, 2017 2:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Notes from 24 January RDS PDP WG Call<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear All,<br>
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Please find below the notes, WG agreements and action items from today's RDS PDP WG meeting.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Lisa<br>
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<b>Notes - RDS PDP WG Meeting – 24 January 2017: <br>
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</b><i>These high-level notes are designed to help PDP WG members navigate through the content of the call and are not meant as a substitute for the transcript and/or recording. The MP3, transcript, and chat are provided separately and are posted on the wiki
at: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/jrPDAw">https://community.icann.org/x/jrPDAw</a>.<br>
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</i>1. Roll call / SOI <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Attendance will be taken from Adobe Connect
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please remember to state your name for transcription purposes and do not forget to mute your line when not speaking.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please remember to update your SOI, if/when needed
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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2. Review poll results: Question 8 - Publication of "raw data" for WG polls<br>
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a. Overview of poll conclusions & "raw data" options from Survey Monkey <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Poll Results: <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/63157134/FinalResults-Poll-on-Purpose-from-18JanCall.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1485193159000&api=v2">
<b>FinalResults-Poll-on-Purpose-from-18JanCall.pdf</b></a> <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Example of "raw data" for a single answer to this poll:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/63157134/Data_FilterRsp14_170123_RawExcel.xls?version=1&modificationDate=1485283441248&api=v2">
Data_FilterRsp14_170123_RawExcel.xls</a> <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Example of exported individual response for a single answer to this poll:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/63157134/Response_14_170123.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1485283504827&api=v2">
Response_14_170123.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">23 responses to Q8 - strong opposition to including IP addresses in "raw data"
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">8 opposed to including name, 9 opposed to individual responses - roughly one third of those who responded
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Comment 4) timestamp may be of concern, could be stripped from Excel export but not (easily redacted) from PDF
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Comment 7) request for member affiliation to be included - polls are expecting respondents to speak for themselves, even if you do represent a group, perhaps this should be explicitly noted in every poll. Note
that affiliation is available but not readily unless included in poll results. GNSO WG guidelines are clear that polls are not votes, not consensus calls and shouldn't be taken as such - a way to find out what others say, and we should know who is saying it.
Should nationality or organizational affiliation play into what's published? In spirit of transparency, some have no objection to publishing data; two WG members changed view to this after discussion. Others are concerned inclusion might call into question
whether they are speaking for their affiliation. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alternatives include (a) add (optional?) affiliation to spreadsheet only, (b) add option for WG member name to be included in spreadsheet only (c) add option for WG member to provide their employer's name
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Need to understand the problem that we're trying to solve before we can make a change in current process. Several other WG members supported this view.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Request from Stephanie Perrin can be found here:
<a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/2017-January/002065.html">
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/2017-January/002065.html</a> <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<b>Action:</b> Staff to request that Stephanie Perrin provide explanation of problem to be solved to the WG list to resolve this request.<br>
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b. Attempt to reach WG consensus on "raw data" for future WG polls <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To be progressed on-line via WG mail
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Conclusion deferred to next week's meeting
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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3. Review poll results: Questions 1-7 - Purposes for "thin data" collection<br>
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a. Review of poll conclusions & comments/clarifications <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Poll Results: <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/63157134/FinalResults-Poll-on-Purpose-from-18JanCall.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1485193159000&api=v2">
<b>FinalResults-Poll-on-Purpose-from-18JanCall.pdf</b></a> <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo4">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Note: All of the following poll questions apply only to "thin data", only to purpose(s) for collection
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<u>Q1 - Domain Name Certification</u> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">21:3 support for WG Agreement #1 : Domain Name Certification is a legitimate purpose for "thin data" collection.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Noted that we are only talking about "thin data" so a lot of concerns around privacy are moot
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There is no obligation on anyone to get an SSL cert - if you are requesting an SSL cert, you are giving CA permission to do validation using your data
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Note that those taking CC payments are obligated by PCI compliance to get certs
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Purposes doesn't seem self-evident to all
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Purposes such as this one need more than "thin data" (looking only at "thin data" now to break this into smaller pieces to facilitate progress, but need to get beyond "thin data" soon)
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Can purposes being legitimate without being a purpose of RDS? Need to consider in context of Purpose Statement.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Are some taking a too constrained view of purposes?
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A useful purpose for data that already exists vs. a purpose for collection in the first place, with exception of Domain Name Control which may be self-evident
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If anything is a purpose for collection, we must state definitely why the purpose is legitimate. What is the foundation and motivation for that purpose?
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Reason for collection + large list of potential uses that may or may not be deemed acceptable
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<u>Q2 - Business Domain Name Purchase or Sale</u> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo6">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">21:2 support for WG Agreement #2 : Business Domain Name Purchase or Sale is a legitimate purpose for "thin data" collection.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo6">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">No problem having this an appropriate use, but don't understand why this would be a purpose of collection
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<u>Q3 - Academic/Public Interest DNS Research</u> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l11 level1 lfo7">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">19:3 support for WG Agreement #3 : Academic / Public Interest DNS Research is a legitimate purpose for "thin data" collection.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l11 level1 lfo7">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Do "thin data" only really pose an issue for this purpose?
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<u>Q4 - Regulatory and Contractual Enforcement</u> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l10 level1 lfo8">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">22:2 support for WG Agreement #4 : Regulatory and Contractual Enforcement is a legitimate purpose for "thin data" collection.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l10 level1 lfo8">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ditto <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<u>Q5 - Criminal Investigation & DNS Abuse Mitigation</u> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo9">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">23:1 support for WG Agreement #5 : Criminal Investigation & DNS Abuse Mitigation is a legitimate purpose for "thin data" collection.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo9">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thin data seems more relevant to this purpose but does collecting for this purpose pose any risk?
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo9">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">No problem with data being used for anti-abuse but should data be collected for express purpose of being investigated for possible abuse/criminal activity?
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<u>Q6 - Legal Actions</u> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo10">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">22:3 support for WG Agreement #6 : Legal Actions is a legitimate purpose for "thin data" collection.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo10">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What is the distinction between purpose, collection, use?
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo10">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Why does purpose for collection matter? How will it be applied later on?
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo10">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">May jump ahead to Privacy charter question to better understand how data protection laws define and differentiate between purpose of collection and purpose of disclosure/display
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<u>Q7 - Individual Internet Use</u> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo11">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">22:1 support for WG Agreement #7 : Individual Internet Use is a legitimate purpose for "thin data" collection.
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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b. Add results to "<a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/63157134/KeyConceptsDeliberation-WorkingDraft-19January2017.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1484857960000&api=v2"> Key Concepts Deliberation Working Draft</a>" Section 2.2.2<br>
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<b>Action:</b> Staff to update Section 2.2.2 conclusions reached by this the 18 January poll (listed above)<br>
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4. After completing deliberation on Users/Purposes Charter Question 2.2 for thin data collection only:<br>
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<i> 2.2.1 For what specific (legitimate?) purposes should gTLD registration thin data elements be collected?<br>
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</i> We will then proceed to deliberating on Data Elements Charter Question 3.1 for thin data only:<br>
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<i> 3.3.1 Do existing gTLD registration "thin data" elements sufficiently meet the needs of purposes identified as permissible for collection of "thin data" elements?<br>
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</i> See handouts: <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/63157265/18JanMeeting-PurposesForThinData-Handout.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1484586621000&api=v2">
18JanMeeting-PurposesForThinData-Handout.pdf</a> and <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/63157134/24JanMeeting-ThinDataElementCollection-Handout.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1485276827000&api=v2">
24JanMeeting-ThinDataElementCollection-Handout.pdf</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo12">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">May jump ahead to charter question of Privacy next week to get a better understanding of "purpose" and how it does or doesn't apply to "thin data" elements
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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5. Confirm action items and proposed decision points.<br>
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<b>Action:</b> Staff to request that Stephanie provide explanation of problem to be solved to the WG list to resolve this request. WG members to respond with any concerns/questions.<br>
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<b>Action:</b> Staff to update Section 2.2.2 conclusions reached by this the 18 January poll (listed above)<br>
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<b>WG Agreements</b> - see above list<br>
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6. Confirm next meeting date: Tuesday 31 January 2017 at 17.00 UTC<br>
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<b>Meeting materials: </b><i><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/jrPDAw"><span style="font-style:normal">https://community.icann.org/x/jrPDAw</span></a></i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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