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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Unfortunately, in a
world where the Internet of things is taking off, privacy
advocates and authorities have to insist that data generated
by or as a result of the actions of an individual or his
devices(eg metadata, timestamping, etc) has to be considered
as personal information. If it is used to describe processes
pertaining to that information, if it could be used to
incriminate that individual, it is important that it be recognized
as information for which individuals have rights. Otherwise,
we have a situation where the individual has no right to
access information that may impact him, may incriminate him,
but to which he may be utterly oblivious. Sorry it is such a
pain in the neck, but there we are.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-01-25 12:32, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sure,
but if we go down that route we could make cases for a lot
of things
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">J</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">My
main problem with this entire debacle is that the data we’re
dealing with is pretty much useless and isn’t personally
identifiable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mneylon.social">http://mneylon.social</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Scott
Hollenbeck <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com"><shollenbeck@verisign.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 17:15<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a>,
Stephanie Perrin
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a>, Sam Lanfranco
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"><sam@lanfranco.net></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dave@davecake.net">"dave@davecake.net"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dave@davecake.net"><dave@davecake.net></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18
January Poll on Purpose<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michele Neylon - Blacknight<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stephanie Perrin; Sam Lanfranco; David Cake<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open:
18 January Poll on Purpose</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Sorry, but
policy + the technology go hand in hand. You cannot
completely separate them and any policy that this (or any
other) group produces needs to be technically possible to
implement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">As to the
specifics ..
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I would argue
that generated data is NOT collected, as it’s generated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">If you register
stephanieperrin.com with us the only elements we are
“collecting” that end up in in the “thin” data are:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">the domain name
string</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">the nameservers
you’re using (and if you don’t specify any we’ll use our
own)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">All the other
elements are NOT collected by the registrar or even the
registry from the registrant, they are generated as part of
the process of the domain being registered.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">[SAH] Michele,
some might argue that the registration period is also
collected from the registrant and is then used to generate
the expiration date at the registry. A case might also be
made for status values like clientTransferProhibited etc. I
agree completely that generated data is just that –
generated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Scott</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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