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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sorry, but policy + the technology go hand in hand. You cannot completely separate them and any policy that this (or any other) group produces needs to be technically
possible to implement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As to the specifics ..
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I would argue that generated data is NOT collected, as it’s generated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If you register stephanieperrin.com with us the only elements we are “collecting” that end up in in the “thin” data are:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">the domain name string<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">the nameservers you’re using (and if you don’t specify any we’ll use our own)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All the other elements are NOT collected by the registrar or even the registry from the registrant, they are generated as part of the process of the domain being
registered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">https://www.blacknight.com/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">http://blacknight.blog/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Social: http://mneylon.social<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some thoughts: http://ceo.hosting/
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 11:56<br>
<b>To: </b>Sam Lanfranco <sam@lanfranco.net>, Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.com>, David Cake <dave@davecake.net><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18 January Poll on Purpose<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"">Sorry, this discussion is important. Your example proves my point. What you show below is a disclosure. It is a disclosure of a limited set of data. we are not supposed to be talking about disclosure
at this point in our proceedings. I leave it to the experts on whether this is "thin" in the sense of the thick transition discussion, I really don't know because we are focused on gTLD policy here. My point is this is a disclosure. We do not "collect"
thin data per se, we collect a whole mess of mandatory data elements, as per the RAA. Then we generate a whole mess as part of activating and making real the domain's existence. Then we share (release) a small subset.
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"">So talking about collecting thin data is misleading in my view. Purpose of disclosing it is what we are in fact talking about. Calling it a purpose for collection opens the barn door.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-01-25 06:46, Sam Lanfranco wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you Michele, ( ignoring the spell check driven typo of "think" for "thick" (-: ). We should be able to put this "thin" discussion behind us.<br>
The "thin" discussion should have taken about 2 email exchanges. Here is CIRA's (thin) search for .ca domain names [disclosure: it is my domain name]<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#660000">Domain name: artisanalpot.ca<br>
Domain status: registered<br>
Creation date: 2016/12/14<br>
Expiry date: 2017/12/14<br>
Updated date: 2016/12/19<br>
DNSSEC: Unsigned<br>
Registrar:<br>
Name: Web Hosting Canada (7081936 Canada Inc.)<br>
Number: 5000080<br>
Name servers:<br>
ns1.whc.ca 173.209.49.178<br>
ns2.whc.ca 198.245.53.176<br>
ns3.whc.ca 198.245.61.86<br>
% WHOIS look-up made at 2017-01-25 11:32:24 (GMT)<br>
% Use of CIRA's WHOIS service is governed by the Terms of Use in its Legal<br>
% Notice, available at <a href="http://www.cira.ca/legal-notice/?lang=en">http://www.cira.ca/legal-notice/?lang=en</a>
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% (c) 2017 Canadian Internet Registration Authority, (<a href="http://www.cira.ca/">http://www.cira.ca/</a>)</span><br>
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Nothing private is disclosed and LEA would have to resort to legal means to get to what is in the "thick" data set.
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There are no ICANN policy issues here.<br>
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Sam L <artisanalpot.ca> (-: <o:p></o:p></p>
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