<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks Michele for yet again putting names to concept. Now, can we have a up or down on these please?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">-Carlton</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br>==============================<br><i><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif">Carlton A Samuels</font></i><br><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><i>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</font></i></font><br>=============================</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 5:10 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">David<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I think the key thing is to remember that there is a very significant difference between “think” and “thin”.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">While I would happily debate collection, publication and access to elements that fall solely under “thick” I cannot and will not when it comes to “thin” data,
which is what we have been going round in circles with for the last couple of weeks.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Reviewing the thin elements briefly:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Domain – well if you don’t want anyone to know what it is why on earth did you register it?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Registrar – I can’t see any issue with that being disclosed and its disclosure actually helps<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Registry – even if it wasn’t directly published in the whois (or its replacement) it’s very Highlander-esque, so it’s not hard to find<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Nameservers – unless you come up with a magic protocol that allows for domain name resolution without actually letting anyone know which nameservers
you’re using then this needs to be out there <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Registration date – I can’t see an issue with this<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Expiry date – ibid<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">And the rest of it is all just a bunch of EPP status stuff about last modified (though not by whom) and that’s about it ..
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Now when we get into thick that’s a whole other kettle of fish ..
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Michele<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 08:25<br>
<b>To: </b>Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18 January Poll on Purpose<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I very much agree with this comment from Stephanie, as did a number of other people on the most recent call. This issue - of the difference between collection and disclosure as regards purpose - is significant and needs discussion in further
detail. Though it may seem not that significant when we are only talking about ‘thin’ data that is likely going to be collected anyway, it becomes a much more significant difference when we broaden the range of data elements.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 21 Jan 2017, at 8:02 am, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"">I filled it out, but I am afraid for most of the purposes I could not agree. We do not<span class="m_-7638787052996029186apple-converted-space"> </span><b>collect<span class="m_-7638787052996029186apple-converted-space"> </span></b>data for
many of those purposes. We disclose it to people for those purposes, but the purpose of collecting those data elements is not for tax collection, trademark enforcement actions, etc. This is the conflation issue I have raised repeatedly.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"">Apologies if I did not make that point clear enough on the call.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b><span class="m_-7638787052996029186apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</span></a><span class="m_-7638787052996029186apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:gnso-rds-<wbr>pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class="m_-7638787052996029186apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_-7638787052996029186apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:50 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_-7638787052996029186apple-converted-space"> </span>[EXTERNAL] [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18 January Poll on Purpose</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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As directed in the 18 January WG call, this week's new Poll on Purpose is now open for WG member participation:<br>
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<a href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/SZX9QJZ" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">https://www.surveymonkey.com/<wbr>r/SZX9QJZ<br>
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</span></a>A PDF of this poll's questions and notes/recordings of the meeting are posted on the 18 January meeting page:<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/EbTDAw" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">https://community.icann.<wbr>org/x/EbTDAw<br>
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All WG members are encouraged to participate in this poll to help advance deliberation and prepare for next week's meeting.<br>
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