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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/proposal-regulation-privacy-and-electronic-communications">https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/proposal-regulation-privacy-and-electronic-communications</a></font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Still draft, but shows
updated thinking on related subjects. Will check for papers
presented during the GDPR discussions.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">SP</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">PS note article 15 on
directories</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">PPS the point about
thin data is that it points to where to go to get the thick
data, correct?</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-01-25 17:08, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Do
you have any links to any legislation / regulations etc.,
that are this broad?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">And
honestly I don’t see how a set of nameserver is “personally
identifiable” unless you’re using your own name in the
hostname (which you could, but then I’d see that as your
choice and not a technical requirement)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-US">Blacknight
Solutions</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-US">Hosting,
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">http://www.blacknight.host/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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href="http://blacknight.blog/"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">http://blacknight.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ceo.hosting/"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">http://ceo.hosting/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-US">Intl.
+353 (0) 59 9183072</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-US">Direct
Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
Park,Sleaty</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-US">Ireland
Company No.: 370845</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Stephanie
Perrin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 19:40<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a>,
Scott Hollenbeck <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com"><shollenbeck@verisign.com></a>, Sam
Lanfranco <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"><sam@lanfranco.net></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dave@davecake.net">"dave@davecake.net"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dave@davecake.net"><dave@davecake.net></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18
January Poll on Purpose<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">Unfortunately, in a world where the Internet
of things is taking off, privacy advocates and authorities
have to insist that data generated by or as a result of the
actions of an individual or his devices(eg metadata,
timestamping, etc) has to be considered as personal
information. If it is used to describe processes pertaining
to that information, if it could be used to incriminate that
individual, it is important that it be recognized as
information for which individuals have rights. Otherwise,
we have a situation where the individual has no right to
access information that may impact him, may incriminate him,
but to which he may be utterly oblivious. Sorry it is such
a pain in the neck, but there we are.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-01-25 12:32, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Scott</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sure,
but if we go down that route we could make cases for a lot
of things
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">My
main problem with this entire debacle is that the data
we’re dealing with is pretty much useless and isn’t
personally identifiable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hosting,
Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intl.
+353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Direct
Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Social:
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://mneylon.social">http://mneylon.social</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some
thoughts:
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ceo.hosting/">http://ceo.hosting/</a>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Scott
Hollenbeck <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com">
<shollenbeck@verisign.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 17:15<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a>,
Stephanie Perrin
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a>,
Sam Lanfranco
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"><sam@lanfranco.net></a>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net">
"dave@davecake.net"</a> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net"><dave@davecake.net></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18
January Poll on Purpose</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michele Neylon - Blacknight<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stephanie Perrin; Sam Lanfranco; David Cake<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open:
18 January Poll on Purpose</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Sorry, but
policy + the technology go hand in hand. You cannot
completely separate them and any policy that this (or any
other) group produces needs to be technically possible to
implement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">As to the
specifics ..
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I would argue
that generated data is NOT collected, as it’s generated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">If you
register stephanieperrin.com with us the only elements we
are “collecting” that end up in in the “thin” data are:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">the domain
name string</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">the
nameservers you’re using (and if you don’t specify any
we’ll use our own)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">All the other
elements are NOT collected by the registrar or even the
registry from the registrant, they are generated as part
of the process of the domain being registered.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">[SAH] Michele,
some might argue that the registration period is also
collected from the registrant and is then used to generate
the expiration date at the registry. A case might also be
made for status values like clientTransferProhibited etc.
I agree completely that generated data is just that –
generated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Scott</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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