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<p>Yes, absolutely nameservers need to be available for anyone
unless you are going to force fundamental changes to DNS. When
you type a domain in your browser, your computer needs to know
what nameservers to go to in order to figure out what the IP is.
It has to be exposed to everyone. Whether it is in WHOIS is
optional, but it needs to be exposed via the gTLD. There is no
mechanism in the protocol to allow for a middle man. I suppose
you could invent a DNS proxy and make the gTLDs run it but it
would still require fundamental changes in DNS and likely would
end the decentralized nature of it.<br>
</p>
<p>As an example:</p>
<p>ubuntu@ip-172-30-0-207:~$ dig +trace icann.org<br>
<br>
; <<>> DiG 9.10.2-P3 <<>> +trace icann.org<br>
;; global options: +cmd<br>
. 3600000 IN NS
C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.<br>
. 3600000 IN NS
A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.<br>
. 3600000 IN NS
B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.<br>
. 3600000 IN NS
M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.<br>
. 3600000 IN NS
E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.<br>
. 3600000 IN NS
D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.<br>
. 3600000 IN NS
I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.<br>
. 3600000 IN NS
L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.<br>
. 3600000 IN NS
J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.<br>
. 3600000 IN NS
F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.<br>
. 3600000 IN NS
H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.<br>
. 3600000 IN NS
G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.<br>
. 3600000 IN NS
K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.<br>
;; Received 853 bytes from 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) in 0 ms<br>
<br>
org. 172800 IN NS
a0.org.afilias-nst.info.<br>
org. 172800 IN NS
a2.org.afilias-nst.info.<br>
org. 172800 IN NS
b0.org.afilias-nst.org.<br>
org. 172800 IN NS
b2.org.afilias-nst.org.<br>
org. 172800 IN NS
c0.org.afilias-nst.info.<br>
org. 172800 IN NS
d0.org.afilias-nst.org.<br>
<br>
;; Received 811 bytes from 192.58.128.30#53(J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET) in
18 ms<br>
<br>
icann.org. 86400 IN NS
a.iana-servers.net.<br>
icann.org. 86400 IN NS
b.iana-servers.net.<br>
icann.org. 86400 IN NS
c.iana-servers.net.<br>
icann.org. 86400 IN NS ns.icann.org.<br>
<br>
;; Received 746 bytes from
199.249.112.1#53(a2.org.afilias-nst.info) in 0 ms<br>
<br>
icann.org. 600 IN A 192.0.43.7<br>
icann.org. 86400 IN NS
a.iana-servers.net.<br>
icann.org. 86400 IN NS
b.iana-servers.net.<br>
icann.org. 86400 IN NS
c.iana-servers.net.<br>
icann.org. 86400 IN NS ns.icann.org.<br>
<br>
;; Received 876 bytes from 199.43.135.53#53(a.iana-servers.net) in
1 ms<br>
<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/26/2017 6:16 AM, Volker Greimann
wrote:<br>
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<p>Does all data need to be available to everyone though? Is it
not sufficient that there be authorized anyones that can get the
data and facilitate the use for those that need it? I have no
contest on domain name and name servers being public, but do
other parts of the thin data expiration/registration dates have
to be to keep the internet functional? <br>
</p>
<p>I do not dispute that there are purposes for legitimately
accessing the data if it is there, but does it all have to be
there?</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.01.2017 um 09:36 schrieb
Michele Neylon - Blacknight:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ok
that’s simple.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If
you want a domain name to resolve on the internet you need
certain data elements to be available to everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That’s
a technical reality.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Company No.: 370845</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Stephanie
Perrin <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday 26 January 2017 at 04:26<br>
<b>To: </b>John Bambenek <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"><jcb@bambenekconsulting.com></a>,
Michele Neylon <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Scott Hollenbeck <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com"><shollenbeck@verisign.com></a>,
Sam Lanfranco <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"><sam@lanfranco.net></a>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net">"dave@davecake.net"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net"><dave@davecake.net></a>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18
January Poll on Purpose<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">I am not sure how we get to this
discussion. What I am saying, is that the purpose of
collecting data has to be linked to ICANN's core mission.
AS Peter said a while ago, is the core mission to enable
law enforcement investigations? No. It is a legitimate
purpose to use or disclose limited sets of data as
required in accordance with law, but it is not the reason
we collect or generate thin data. This distinction is
important in data protection law. Nobody is saying we
should not disclose the thin data, including name
servers. What we are trying to say, and obviously with
very little success, is that several of the purposes for
collecting thin data which were in the last poll, were not
related to ICANN's core mission. They might be legitimate
disclosures of data, but they are not legitimate purposes
to collect.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">Displaying data in WHOIS is a disclosure.
We are not supposed to be talking about that yet. We keep
conflating the legitimacy of collection, and why we gather
or generate data elements about a domain name, and
disclosure. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">Sorry to keep hammering on this, but it is a
very simple concept that is fundamental to data
protection. No wonder we have been arguing about this for
18 years.....</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">cheers Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-01-25 21:06, John Bambenek
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regardless of the privacy
implications, if someone who wants to look up a hostname
and can't find can't figure out what the authoritative
nameservers are for the domain, DNS quite simply will
not work and with it the internet is down; go home. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">Unless someone is suggesting we
completely re-architect DNS, having nameservers tied to
domain records is absolutely essential.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">You could deprecate displaying it in
whois but any DNS client would easily be able to
retrieve the data because the resolver still has to know
what to ask for. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">J<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Jan 25, 2017, at 16:08, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Do
you have any links to any legislation / regulations
etc., that are this broad?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">And
honestly I don’t see how a set of nameserver is
“personally identifiable” unless you’re using your
own name in the hostname (which you could, but then
I’d see that as your choice and not a technical
requirement)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd,
Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US">Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Stephanie
Perrin <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 19:40<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>>,
Scott Hollenbeck <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com">shollenbeck@verisign.com</a>>,
Sam Lanfranco <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net">sam@lanfranco.net</a>>,
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net">dave@davecake.net</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net">dave@davecake.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open:
18 January Poll on Purpose</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande "">Unfortunately, in a world where the
Internet of things is taking off, privacy advocates
and authorities have to insist that data generated
by or as a result of the actions of an individual or
his devices(eg metadata, timestamping, etc) has to
be considered as personal information. If it is
used to describe processes pertaining to that
information, if it could be used to incriminate that
individual, it is important that it be recognized as
information for which individuals have rights.
Otherwise, we have a situation where the individual
has no right to access information that may impact
him, may incriminate him, but to which he may be
utterly oblivious. Sorry it is such a pain in the
neck, but there we are.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande "">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-01-25 12:32, Michele
Neylon - Blacknight wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Scott</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sure,
but if we go down that route we could make cases
for a lot of things </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">My
main problem with this entire debacle is that the
data we’re dealing with is pretty much useless and
isn’t personally identifiable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hosting,
Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intl.
+353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Direct
Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Social:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://mneylon.social">http://mneylon.social</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some
thoughts: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ceo.hosting/">http://ceo.hosting/</a>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From:
</span> </b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Scott
Hollenbeck <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com">
<shollenbeck@verisign.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 17:15<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a>,
Stephanie Perrin <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a>,
Sam Lanfranco <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"><sam@lanfranco.net></a>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net">
"dave@davecake.net"</a> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net"><dave@davecake.net></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open:
18 January Poll on Purpose</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michele Neylon - Blacknight<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stephanie Perrin; Sam Lanfranco; David
Cake<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Now open: 18 January Poll on Purpose</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Sorry,
but policy + the technology go hand in hand. You
cannot completely separate them and any policy
that this (or any other) group produces needs to
be technically possible to implement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">As to
the specifics .. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I
would argue that generated data is NOT collected,
as it’s generated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">If
you register <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://stephanieperrin.com">stephanieperrin.com</a>
with us the only elements we are “collecting” that
end up in in the “thin” data are:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">the
domain name string</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">the
nameservers you’re using (and if you don’t specify
any we’ll use our own)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">All
the other elements are NOT collected by the
registrar or even the registry from the
registrant, they are generated as part of the
process of the domain being registered.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">[SAH]
Michele, some might argue that the registration
period is also collected from the registrant and
is then used to generate the expiration date at
the registry. A case might also be made for status
values like clientTransferProhibited etc. I agree
completely that generated data is just that –
generated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Scott</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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