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<p>I am not saying it is necessarily privileged data, I would assume
it probably is not. However that does not answer the question
whether it should be published for anyone to see, given that there
is also potential for abuse. The creation date and the renewal
dates allow the criminal mind to send fake renewal notices, do
domain slamming, etc. If that information were only handled by
registry, registrar and registrant, a lot of currently existing
abuse would be much harder to do, if not go away completely. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.01.2017 um 16:31 schrieb Greg
Aaron:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">If
thin data is considered private data, then ccTLD
registries such as those in Europe and Canada would not
publish it in WHOIS. But they do. They collect and
publish it because it is important for legitimate and
stated reasons, and doing so is consistent with the law.
The implementations and details vary a bit from country to
country, but that’s generally the situation.
<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">For
example, in Germany, where the privacy laws seem some of
the most protective, the .DE registry publishes not only
the thin data but also some contact data. The reasons for
collecting and publishing that include: addressing
technical problems, addressing abuse, and intellectual
property protection. See below for references.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">At
these registries, thin data (and often at least some
contact data) is available anonymously to anyone who
queries it. No one has to get pre-authorized permission
to query it, no one has to declare their intended use case
before getting it.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Some
members of this WG are arguing that the collection of and
publication of thin data, even creation dates, is a
problem, or should be gated or permissioned. Such
arguments are inconsistent with legally vetted practices
in front of us.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">All
best,<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">--Greg<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">DENIC
(.DE):<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.denic.de/fileadmin/public/documentation/DENIC-12p_EN.pdf"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">https://www.denic.de/fileadmin/public/documentation/DENIC-12p_EN.pdf</span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">“[If
you make a WHOIS query] Besides the data of the domain
holder, the output you will receive will include data on
the administrative and the technical contact and on the
zone administrator. On top of that, the technical data of
the domain will be displayed.”<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.denic.de/en/faqs/faqs-for-domain-holders/"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">https://www.denic.de/en/faqs/faqs-for-domain-holders/</span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">“Why
are other people permitted to see my data, for example my
address, in the whois query?<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">This
data has been rendered public in the whois query for some
very good reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Firstly,
it is important to be able to contact you if ever there
are any technical difficulties caused by your domain or
its use, which might lead to problems for others. Of
course, it would normally be your provider who would sort
out such technical problems for you, but that does not
affect publication of your data. It may happen that your
provider is partly to blame for the technical difficulties
and, ultimately, you, the domain holder, will be held
liable (and that includes liability for any legal
consequences).<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Secondly,
your data must be made public, so that, if your domain is
the source of an infringement of somebody else's rights,
it will be possible to establish against whom to proceed,
if need be.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Against
this background, incidentally, the German data-protection
authorities have expressly approved of the publication of
personal data in the whois query. Further information on
this subject is to be found, for example, in the
thirteenth data-protection report by the government of the
German federal state of Hesse (sections 9.2 and 9.3) and
also in its fifteenth data-protection report (section
8.7).<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">If
you do not want to have your address made public, the only
option you have is to get the domain registered by someone
else whom you trust. This other person will then be the
legal domain holder instead of you, and their address
will, of course, be made public in the whois query.”<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18
January Poll on Purpose<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Does all data need to be available to everyone though? Is it
not sufficient that there be authorized anyones that can get
the data and facilitate the use for those that need it? I have
no contest on domain name and name servers being public, but
do other parts of the thin data expiration/registration dates
have to be to keep the internet functional?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I do not dispute that there are purposes for legitimately
accessing the data if it is there, but does it all have to be
there?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 26.01.2017 um 09:36 schrieb Michele
Neylon - Blacknight:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ok
that’s simple.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
you want a domain name to resolve on the internet you need
certain data elements to be available to everyone.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">That’s
a technical reality.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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</b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Stephanie
Perrin </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday 26 January 2017 at 04:26<br>
<b>To: </b>John Bambenek </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><jcb@bambenekconsulting.com></span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">,
Michele Neylon
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><michele@blacknight.com></span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Scott Hollenbeck </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><shollenbeck@verisign.com></span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">, Sam
Lanfranco
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><sam@lanfranco.net></span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">,
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"dave@davecake.net"</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><dave@davecake.net></span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">,
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18
January Poll on Purpose</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande "">I am not sure how we get to this
discussion. What I am saying, is that the purpose of
collecting data has to be linked to ICANN's core mission.
AS Peter said a while ago, is the core mission to enable
law enforcement investigations? No. It is a legitimate
purpose to use or disclose limited sets of data as
required in accordance with law, but it is not the reason
we collect or generate thin data. This distinction is
important in data protection law. Nobody is saying we
should not disclose the thin data, including name
servers. What we are trying to say, and obviously with
very little success, is that several of the purposes for
collecting thin data which were in the last poll, were not
related to ICANN's core mission. They might be legitimate
disclosures of data, but they are not legitimate purposes
to collect.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande "">Displaying data in WHOIS is a disclosure.
We are not supposed to be talking about that yet. We keep
conflating the legitimacy of collection, and why we gather
or generate data elements about a domain name, and
disclosure. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande "">Sorry to keep hammering on this, but it is
a very simple concept that is fundamental to data
protection. No wonder we have been arguing about this for
18 years.....</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande "">cheers Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-01-25 21:06, John Bambenek
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regardless of the privacy
implications, if someone who wants to look up a hostname
and can't find can't figure out what the authoritative
nameservers are for the domain, DNS quite simply will
not work and with it the internet is down; go home. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">Unless someone is suggesting we
completely re-architect DNS, having nameservers tied to
domain records is absolutely essential.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">You could deprecate displaying it in
whois but any DNS client would easily be able to
retrieve the data because the resolver still has to know
what to ask for. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div id="AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">J<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Jan 25, 2017, at 16:08, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Do
you have any links to any legislation / regulations
etc., that are this broad?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">And
honestly I don’t see how a set of nameserver is
“personally identifiable” unless you’re using your
own name in the hostname (which you could, but then
I’d see that as your choice and not a technical
requirement)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Blacknight
Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hosting,
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://blacknight.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://ceo.hosting/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Intl.
+353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Direct
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Ireland
Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:
</span>
</b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Stephanie
Perrin <</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 19:40<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">michele@blacknight.com</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>,
Scott Hollenbeck <</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">shollenbeck@verisign.com</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>,
Sam Lanfranco <</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">sam@lanfranco.net</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>,
"</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">dave@davecake.net</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"
<</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">dave@davecake.net</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"
<</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open:
18 January Poll on Purpose</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande "">Unfortunately, in a world where the
Internet of things is taking off, privacy advocates
and authorities have to insist that data generated
by or as a result of the actions of an individual or
his devices(eg metadata, timestamping, etc) has to
be considered as personal information. If it is
used to describe processes pertaining to that
information, if it could be used to incriminate that
individual, it is important that it be recognized as
information for which individuals have rights.
Otherwise, we have a situation where the individual
has no right to access information that may impact
him, may incriminate him, but to which he may be
utterly oblivious. Sorry it is such a pain in the
neck, but there we are.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande "">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-01-25 12:32, Michele
Neylon - Blacknight wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Scott</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sure,
but if we go down that route we could make cases
for a lot of things
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings">J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">My
main problem with this entire debacle is that the
data we’re dealing with is pretty much useless and
isn’t personally identifiable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Blacknight
Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hosting,
Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">https://www.blacknight.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blacknight.blog/"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://blacknight.blog/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Intl.
+353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Direct
Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Social:
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://mneylon.social"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://mneylon.social</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Some
thoughts:
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ceo.hosting/"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://ceo.hosting/</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:
</span>
</b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Scott
Hollenbeck </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><shollenbeck@verisign.com></span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 17:15<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><michele@blacknight.com></span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">, Stephanie Perrin
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">, Sam Lanfranco
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><sam@lanfranco.net></span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">,
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"dave@davecake.net"</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><dave@davecake.net></span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Cc: </b></span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open:
18 January Poll on Purpose</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> [</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michele Neylon - Blacknight<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stephanie Perrin; Sam Lanfranco; David
Cake<br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Now open: 18 January Poll on Purpose</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sorry,
but policy + the technology go hand in hand. You
cannot completely separate them and any policy
that this (or any other) group produces needs to
be technically possible to implement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As
to the specifics ..
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
would argue that generated data is NOT collected,
as it’s generated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
you register
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://stephanieperrin.com"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">stephanieperrin.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
with us the only elements we are “collecting” that
end up in in the “thin” data are:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">the
domain name string</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">the
nameservers you’re using (and if you don’t specify
any we’ll use our own)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">All
the other elements are NOT collected by the
registrar or even the registry from the
registrant, they are generated as part of the
process of the domain being registered.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">[SAH]
Michele, some might argue that the registration
period is also collected from the registrant and
is then used to generate the expiration date at
the registry. A case might also be made for status
values like clientTransferProhibited etc. I agree
completely that generated data is just that –
generated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Scott</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
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- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
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66386 St. Ingbert
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