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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">No argument from me on
that. None. Not sure why you keep bringing it up. Shall we
just stop now? I will stop intervening. <br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">SP</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-01-26 03:36, Michele Neylon -
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ok
that’s simple.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If
you want a domain name to resolve on the internet you need
certain data elements to be available to everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That’s
a technical reality.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Company No.: 370845</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Stephanie
Perrin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday 26 January 2017 at 04:26<br>
<b>To: </b>John Bambenek
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"><jcb@bambenekconsulting.com></a>, Michele Neylon
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Scott Hollenbeck
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com"><shollenbeck@verisign.com></a>, Sam Lanfranco
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"><sam@lanfranco.net></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dave@davecake.net">"dave@davecake.net"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dave@davecake.net"><dave@davecake.net></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18
January Poll on Purpose<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">I am not sure how we get to this discussion.
What I am saying, is that the purpose of collecting data has
to be linked to ICANN's core mission. AS Peter said a while
ago, is the core mission to enable law enforcement
investigations? No. It is a legitimate purpose to use or
disclose limited sets of data as required in accordance with
law, but it is not the reason we collect or generate thin
data. This distinction is important in data protection
law. Nobody is saying we should not disclose the thin data,
including name servers. What we are trying to say, and
obviously with very little success, is that several of the
purposes for collecting thin data which were in the last
poll, were not related to ICANN's core mission. They might
be legitimate disclosures of data, but they are not
legitimate purposes to collect.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">Displaying data in WHOIS is a disclosure. We
are not supposed to be talking about that yet. We keep
conflating the legitimacy of collection, and why we gather
or generate data elements about a domain name, and
disclosure. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">Sorry to keep hammering on this, but it is a
very simple concept that is fundamental to data protection.
No wonder we have been arguing about this for 18 years.....</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">cheers Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-01-25 21:06, John Bambenek wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regardless of the privacy implications,
if someone who wants to look up a hostname and can't find
can't figure out what the authoritative nameservers are
for the domain, DNS quite simply will not work and with it
the internet is down; go home. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Unless someone is suggesting we
completely re-architect DNS, having nameservers tied to
domain records is absolutely essential.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You could deprecate displaying it in
whois but any DNS client would easily be able to retrieve
the data because the resolver still has to know what to
ask for. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">J<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jan 25, 2017, at 16:08, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Do
you have any links to any legislation / regulations
etc., that are this broad?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">And
honestly I don’t see how a set of nameserver is
“personally identifiable” unless you’re using your own
name in the hostname (which you could, but then I’d
see that as your choice and not a technical
requirement)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br>
Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Stephanie
Perrin <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 19:40<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>>,
Scott Hollenbeck <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com">shollenbeck@verisign.com</a>>,
Sam Lanfranco <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net">sam@lanfranco.net</a>>,
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net">dave@davecake.net</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net">dave@davecake.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open: 18
January Poll on Purpose</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande "">Unfortunately, in a world where the
Internet of things is taking off, privacy advocates
and authorities have to insist that data generated by
or as a result of the actions of an individual or his
devices(eg metadata, timestamping, etc) has to be
considered as personal information. If it is used to
describe processes pertaining to that information, if
it could be used to incriminate that individual, it is
important that it be recognized as information for
which individuals have rights. Otherwise, we have a
situation where the individual has no right to access
information that may impact him, may incriminate him,
but to which he may be utterly oblivious. Sorry it is
such a pain in the neck, but there we are.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande "">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-01-25 12:32, Michele Neylon
- Blacknight wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Scott</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sure,
but if we go down that route we could make cases for
a lot of things
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">My
main problem with this entire debacle is that the
data we’re dealing with is pretty much useless and
isn’t personally identifiable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Scott
Hollenbeck <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com">
<shollenbeck@verisign.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 25 January 2017 at 17:15<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a>,
Stephanie Perrin
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"><stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca></a>,
Sam Lanfranco
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"><sam@lanfranco.net></a>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net">
"dave@davecake.net"</a> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dave@davecake.net"><dave@davecake.net></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now open:
18 January Poll on Purpose</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michele Neylon - Blacknight<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2017 12:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stephanie Perrin; Sam Lanfranco; David
Cake<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Now
open: 18 January Poll on Purpose</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Sorry,
but policy + the technology go hand in hand. You
cannot completely separate them and any policy that
this (or any other) group produces needs to be
technically possible to implement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">As to
the specifics ..
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I would
argue that generated data is NOT collected, as it’s
generated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">If you
register
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://stephanieperrin.com">stephanieperrin.com</a>
with us the only elements we are “collecting” that
end up in in the “thin” data are:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">the
domain name string</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">the
nameservers you’re using (and if you don’t specify
any we’ll use our own)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">All the
other elements are NOT collected by the registrar or
even the registry from the registrant, they are
generated as part of the process of the domain being
registered.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">[SAH]
Michele, some might argue that the registration
period is also collected from the registrant and is
then used to generate the expiration date at the
registry. A case might also be made for status
values like clientTransferProhibited etc. I agree
completely that generated data is just that –
generated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Scott</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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