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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Dear all, Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP WG call on Tuesday, 7 February 2017 at 17:00 UTC.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_HIzRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=lc27DjD-rSaPdif3WmToWEno_eegMi7egqAgi_JeE_A&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_HIzRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=lc27DjD-rSaPdif3WmToWEno_eegMi7egqAgi_JeE_A&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chris Pelling:Afternoon all :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:Hello everyone</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maryan Rizinski:Hello Chuck</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:Afternoon all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Hello everyone :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:good morning</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:Good evening</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):good evening</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:Peter, you can move the slides by using the arrows in the slide pod.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Norbert Komlan GLAKPE:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:Unless you prefer staff to do it for you</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Peter Kimpian:thanks, Peter</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Peter Kimpian:I am here</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Peter Kimpian:I am here</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:he is a presenter</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Slides can be downloaded from <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64064540_Kimpian-5Fpdp-5Frds-5F2-5F2-5F17.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=I_NeBoC3gWnsk0-svUCTUNOA2jo8Nc40Eo4d_d3pL8I&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64064540_Kimpian-5Fpdp-5Frds-5F2-5F2-5F17.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=I_NeBoC3gWnsk0-svUCTUNOA2jo8Nc40Eo4d_d3pL8I&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:Peter, have you enabled your audio in Adobe connect or are you connected by phone?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:We can dial out to you if that is easier</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:I will send him a private chat </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:someone need to mut</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal (NCSG):Hello Guys</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:mut</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal (NCSG):Sorry I was Late</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal (NCSG):A Special Hello to Peter Kimpian :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:I will be in CPH, but may not be able to participate in meeting due to conflicts.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:A problem for several of us Alan</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Stephanie you may need to mute your speakers when your mic is open and others speak</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):some countries have no common law, only legal acts and written laws</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Greenleaf's book - more info at <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__papers.ssrn.com_sol3_papers.cfm-3Fabstract-5Fid-3D2603502&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=-Wso0eREbIZgQv8o11RTkjPT0POsZFAzhV3nT6se5_Q&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__papers.ssrn.com_sol3_papers.cfm-3Fabstract-5Fid-3D2603502&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=-Wso0eREbIZgQv8o11RTkjPT0POsZFAzhV3nT6se5_Q&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:"Common law" and "civil law" refer to two different styles of legislation. In Canada we draft federal laws in both traditions, because Quebec is a civil law jurisdiction, the rest of Canada is
common law. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:is this slide deck downloadable at the moment?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64064540_Kimpian-5Fpdp-5Frds-5F2-5F2-5F17.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=I_NeBoC3gWnsk0-svUCTUNOA2jo8Nc40Eo4d_d3pL8I&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64064540_Kimpian-5Fpdp-5Frds-5F2-5F2-5F17.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=I_NeBoC3gWnsk0-svUCTUNOA2jo8Nc40Eo4d_d3pL8I&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:thank you</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Sara Bockey:Hello all... apologies for joining late</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:So in Canada lawyers are trained in common law or civil law, some qualify in both (takes extra year)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:Dumb question - Is ICANN the "data controller" in our world? Or is it the registries/registrars?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:@ Alex: Please ask that question in Q&A if it is not answered sooner.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:will do</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:ICANN is the data controller, because it sets the RAA which defines collection, use and discolosure. Registrars and registries are data processors WRT the data that ICANN tells them to collect
and display, including all relevant policies. THey are data controllers with respect to their own business operations, data they gather to sell other services for which ICANN does not set policy. So they are hybrid. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:got it. thanks. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:Thanks Stephanie. Very helpful.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:That means, by the way, that ICANN would get the fines under the new regulation. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:Note, this data collector definition was hotly debated during the EWG and I believe we never concluded as such</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:There are Art 29 documents on the concept of data controller and data processor on their website. Also on purpose specification. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:So you noted, and we reviewed and considered during the EWG</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:Just saying, the collective groups reading of that didn't land on the same conclusion ... as I recall</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:@ Fabricio: Please raise your hand at an appropriate point to share more about the conflict in the EWG.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:domain:<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;">
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:I was under the impression most of these applied only to "natural persons". </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:@Chuck, there's not much to say other than what I've written. I think the group should read and discuss rather than just take one conclusion as dicta</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:While I am crushed by the fact that you guys were unconvinced by my arguments, and those of the experts I cited, we should in my view not push the matter to the point where a Max SChrems has to
pop up and take a case to Court. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Holly Raiche:What about situations where the contact details of an individual are gathered in their capacity as a contact point for a registry/registrar</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):companies register in an open register of legal bodies , and info is availble there, so what is the reason to protect it in some other place? (if is already available)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:Article 29 WP 76 Opinion 2/2003 "registration of domain names by individuals raises different legal considerations than that of companies or other legal persons registering domain names" ... "the
publication of certain information about the company or organisation (such as their identification and their physical address) is often a requirement by law in the framework of the commercial or professional activities they perform"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:I thought w were talking only about THIN DATA today.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:Happy to have further input, Stephanie.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:@Alan, agreed.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:Susan, this applies only to personal data. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chris Pelling:COMMENT: Sorry but the PPSAI WG already deliberated this and it was understood that companies could use privacy protection if they so wished</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chris Pelling:as sites would have to have their name and address on anyway if they were selling</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:@Theo thanks so we have two categories of data personal and commercial </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:@Chris, that is not always the case, Many merchants on the Internet provide NO contact ot identity information.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:@Chris proxy is a different issue</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chris Pelling:@Alan - but ultimately we already dealt with this on PPSAI</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:yes commercial data has to be displayed in most EU countries. . commercial as for example a compay Susan</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chris Pelling:we speent 2 years doing PPSAI</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:but this is not part of a commercial use discussion,</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:no this is a discussion of commercial registration of domain names </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Aaron:I think the question was a bit confusing. My udnerstanding is that if domain is registered by a company, then the names etc. of individuals may appear in whois in the domain record. That's expliclty
.UK's policy, which has been vetted quite extensively for compliance with EU law.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Aaron:So in Susan's example, -- Facebook.hu -- there's the name of a person. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:the matter of what a business has to provide on the internet to identify itself varies enormously from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and is set by local law.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:@Greg yes our outside counsel consented to the use of the information as part of the requirement to register the domain name </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:@Stephanie I agree but since one of the possibilities for the new RDS system is to display by jurisdiction we need to look at each and everyone </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:@Stephanie but are those "other rights" for small organizations privacy or data protection rights? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):in the provided example the secretary should have used the church address</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):there is no way to distinguish private address from the public one unthil there is no flag in place</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Are we suggesting introduction of private person data flag on the top of the current DNS set ?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):currently Registries recieve Privacy protection service as a text field of the name of the person </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:@Stephanie, thanks, the last point about your registration agreement may be a compliance issue --- because disclosure and obtaining consent ("a.k.a. notice and choice"?) is required under RAA 3.7.7.4
and 3.7.7.5. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Aaron:Notice of use of data is required in the RAA, Stephanie. If you say you can't find them in your registration contract, then please write into ICANN's complinace department.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:I thought the requirement wasn't to inform about rights, but to provide information sufficient to obtain "specific and informed consent of the subscriber ... prior to the inclusion of his personal
data into all kinds of public directories (traditional telephony, mobile telephony, electronic mail, electronic signatures etc.) used for reverse or multi-criteria searches." Article 29 WP 33 Opinion 5/2000 </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:@Steve. Thanks, and Registrars are required to "3.7.7.5 The Registered Name Holder shall consent to the data processing referred to in Subsection 3.7.7.4."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:I would think that a ccTld registry would review the legal collection and display of data in their country. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:What I am talking about is the requirement under PIPEDA to inform me of my rights under that law....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:Most ccTLD registries comply perfectly when it comes to personal data and data regulation/law in combination of whois output</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:Thanks Theo</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:In Europe they do. NOt sure about elsewhere.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:@Maxim, good question. Is anything that we have referred to as "thin data" PII? And if not, how do these general principles (as presetned by Peter and Stephanie) apply? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:Well said Theo... its a wormhole </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):in case where a director (or CEO) by mistake used his home address and phone instead of the office one for a company domains ...it could be seen as a parsonal data (despite the fact that
the particular person is not very advanced in understanding of personal data, local personal data regulator might say that is has to be protected)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:@stephanie a lot of ccTLDs outside the EU also do not display personal data in a WHOIS, though most of them are thick registries</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:@Ste[hanie can you give an example of thin data that is "personal data" as you use the term? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the question of personal identification might have different answers (for example Police might say - that this set is enough for us to identify with 99% weight, where some ministry might say
that is not a personal data)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):so it is very dependent on a particular governmental agency/Law Enforcement/Data Regulator</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:Just FYI, "personal data" is a defined term in RAA "data about about any identified or identifiable natural person." </div>
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Referral URL: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__res-2Ddom.iana.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=td5M9ZFdZEFYDnx4caKGtuOfOI8_Qt7_7r6bQGgmHbc&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__res-2Ddom.iana.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=td5M9ZFdZEFYDnx4caKGtuOfOI8_Qt7_7r6bQGgmHbc&e=</a> Name
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): Registries have to comply with the local law , and it has own definitions</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Scott Hollenbeck (Verisign):I don't see anything tjhere that can be loinked to an individual.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:@Steve I think the RAA should not be leading for RDS</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:@Scott. Agreed</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:@Theo - but i think we need to be consistent in the use of "defined terms". </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:@Alex I agree there, I guess I am not just happy with the RAA one ;)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon::)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:@Theo, agree the RAA definition is not controlling. But it is the status quo and it can be helpful to be clear on that starting point. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:@Chuck - I think Peter K wanted to join the debate. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:@Steve, agreed</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):in case of thin whois ... I am not sure where can we find personal data ... if we have a REgistrar named as a personal address of a person ... ?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:+1 Greg. Thanks.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:+1 Greg Aaron, agreed</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):professional legal advice about personal data legislation in all countires might cost 10th Millions USD</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:Maxim, auction funds ;)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Do you use thin data to find me? answer yes.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):if the current top audit companies used ... most probably </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:@ stephanie - I'm not sure the logic you are using is sound. perhaps we need to study the property of transitivity for this use case. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Scott Hollenbeck (Verisign):@Stephanie: I would use thin data to find your registrar, and then your registrar to find you.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Right. But the data you started with pertains to me.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):asking GAC will not help (GAC is more about telecom ministries , non necesary personal data regulators)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chris Pelling:we can hear you :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Scott Hollenbeck (Verisign):You and thousands of other people</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:@stephanie does an updated data really exclusively pertain to you? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Aaron:I don't believe that "anything" an be considered personal information. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:+1 Greg A and I still have not heard an example of which of the data elements listed in Thin Whois record is personal data. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:Or address the gating question of informed consent.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Sara Bockey:I need to drop for another call. thanks all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kal Feher:I think that regardless of your position on: thin = personal data or thin != personal data, there are good reasons directly related to domain management to disclose it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:+ 1 Kal</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it was a good confcall, thanks all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:thanks, Chuck and tema</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:team</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chris Pelling:Thansks all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:thanks everyone....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Farell FOLLY (Africa 2.0):It was great</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Coupet:Bye all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Thanks!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal (NCSG):Thanks guys</div>
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