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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I did not use these
slides, as I thought one set of slides was enough. The
references may be useful to those who are interested, so I
attach them now.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-02-08 09:20, Gomes, Chuck
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks
to everyone who participated in our WG call yesterday. We
had one of our best turnouts in quite a while.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For
those who were unable to attend, I strongly encourage you to
listen to the recording and/or read the transcript. While
we didn’t come to any conclusions, there was a lot of
excellent discussion about data protection principles and
laws that will provide important background for our work the
next few weeks and leading up to our meetings in Copenhagen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michelle DeSmyter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Mp3,
Attendance & AC Chat for Next-Gen RDS PDP WG on 07,
February 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Dear
All,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please
find the attendance of the call attached to this email
and the MP3 recording below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP
Working group call held on Tuesday, 7 February 2017 at
17:00 UTC.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="line-height:15.6pt"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">MP3:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-pdp-07feb17-en.mp3%20">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-pdp-07feb17-en.mp3 </a><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-13sep16-en.mp3"><span
style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif"><br>
</span></a><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-06sep16-en.mp3"><span
style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif"> </span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The
recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted
on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
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style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><a
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href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov"><span
style="color:purple">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar</span></a></span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">**
Please let me know if your name has been left off the
list **</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
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style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Mailing
list archives:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/"><span
style="color:purple">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/</span></a></span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Wiki
page: </span><span style="color:black"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/x/HIzRAw"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif">https://community.icann.org/x/HIzRAw</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Thank
you.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Kind
regards,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Michelle
DeSmyter </span><span
style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">———————————————</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"
style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><u><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">AC
Chat Next-Gen RDS PDP WG </span></u></b><b><u><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Tuesday</span></u></b><b><u><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">, 7
February 2017</span></u></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michelle
DeSmyter:Dear all, Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP
WG call on Tuesday, 7 February 2017 at 17:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michelle
DeSmyter:Meeting page: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_HIzRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=lc27DjD-rSaPdif3WmToWEno_eegMi7egqAgi_JeE_A&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_HIzRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=lc27DjD-rSaPdif3WmToWEno_eegMi7egqAgi_JeE_A&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chris
Pelling:Afternoon all :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chuck
Gomes:Hello everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maryan
Rizinski:Hello Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:Afternoon all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Pitinan
Kooarmornpatana:Hello everyone :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:good morning<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo
Geurts:Good evening<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):good evening<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Marika
Konings:Peter, you can move the slides by using the
arrows in the slide pod.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Norbert
Komlan GLAKPE:Hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Marika
Konings:Unless you prefer staff to do it for you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Peter
Kimpian:thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Peter
Kimpian:I am here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Peter
Kimpian:I am here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michelle
DeSmyter:he is a presenter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:Slides can be downloaded from <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64064540_Kimpian-5Fpdp-5Frds-5F2-5F2-5F17.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=I_NeBoC3gWnsk0-svUCTUNOA2jo8Nc40Eo4d_d3pL8I&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64064540_Kimpian-5Fpdp-5Frds-5F2-5F2-5F17.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=I_NeBoC3gWnsk0-svUCTUNOA2jo8Nc40Eo4d_d3pL8I&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Marika
Konings:Peter, have you enabled your audio in Adobe
connect or are you connected by phone?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Marika
Konings:We can dial out to you if that is easier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michelle
DeSmyter:I will send him a private chat <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:someone need to mut<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Vaibhav
Aggarwal (NCSG):Hello Guys<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:mut<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Vaibhav
Aggarwal (NCSG):Sorry I was Late<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Vaibhav
Aggarwal (NCSG):A Special Hello to Peter Kimpian :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alan
Greenberg:I will be in CPH, but may not be able to
participate in meeting due to conflicts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:A problem for several of us
Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:Stephanie you may need to mute your speakers
when your mic is open and others speak<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):some countries have no common law,
only legal acts and written laws<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:Greenleaf's book - more info at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:"Common law" and "civil law" refer to two
different styles of legislation. In Canada we draft
federal laws in both traditions, because Quebec is a
civil law jurisdiction, the rest of Canada is common
law. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kal
Feher:is this slide deck downloadable at the moment?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa
Phifer:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kal
Feher:thank you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Sara
Bockey:Hello all... apologies for joining late<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:So in Canada lawyers are trained in common
law or civil law, some qualify in both (takes extra
year)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:Dumb question - Is ICANN the "data
controller" in our world? Or is it the
registries/registrars?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chuck
Gomes:@ Alex: Please ask that question in Q&A
if it is not answered sooner.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:will do<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:ICANN is the data controller, because it sets
the RAA which defines collection, use and
discolosure. Registrars and registries are data
processors WRT the data that ICANN tells them to
collect and display, including all relevant
policies. THey are data controllers with respect to
their own business operations, data they gather to
sell other services for which ICANN does not set
policy. So they are hybrid. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:got it. thanks. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chuck
Gomes:Thanks Stephanie. Very helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:That means, by the way, that ICANN would get
the fines under the new regulation. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:Note, this data collector definition was hotly
debated during the EWG and I believe we never
concluded as such<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:There are Art 29 documents on the concept of
data controller and data processor on their
website. Also on purpose specification. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:So you noted, and we reviewed and considered
during the EWG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:Just saying, the collective groups reading of
that didn't land on the same conclusion ... as I
recall<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chuck
Gomes:@ Fabricio: Please raise your hand at an
appropriate point to share more about the conflict
in the EWG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan
Kawaguchi:domain:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">facebook.huregistrant:<span
class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">FACEBOOK
INC.registrant:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">FACEBOOK
INC.address:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">1601
Willow Roadaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">CA
94025 Menlo Parkaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">USphone:<span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span>+1.650 543 4801fax-no:<span
class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">+1.650
543 4800hun-id:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">1004461405admin-c:<span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span> 2004663199tech-c:<span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>2004659621zone-c:<span
class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">3000101177name
server: <span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">ns4.lovellsnames.orgname
server: <span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">ns1.lovellsnames.orgname
server: <span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">ns2.lovellsnames.orgname
server: <span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">ns3.lovellsnames.orgregistered:<span
class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">2006-04-11
23:11:28changed:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">2014-02-06
11:14:02registrar:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">1990917022 <span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span> admin-c:<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Dr.
Partos László, Partos & Nobletaddress:<span
class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">Szent
István tér 11/B.address:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">1051
Budapestaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">HUphone:<span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span>+36 1 505 4480fax-no:<span
class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">+36
1 505 4485hun-id:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">2004663199 <span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span> tech-c:<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Hogan
Lovells LLPaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">17
avenue Matignon, CS30027address:<span
class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">75378
Parisaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">FRphone:<span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span>+33.153674747fax-no:<span
class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">+33.153674748e-mail:<span
class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:hostmaster@lovellsnames.orghun-id">hostmaster@lovellsnames.orghun-id</a>:<span
class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">2004659621 <span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span> zone-c:<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>KiberNet
Zone Adminaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">Victor
Hugo 18-22.address:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">1132
Budapestaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">HUphone:<span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span>(1) 4384567fax-no:<span
class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">hun-id:<span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span>3000101177 <span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> registrar:<span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span> CyberNet Ltd.registrar:<span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span> KiberNet Kft. (Re<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:I was under the impression most of these
applied only to "natural persons". <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:@Chuck, there's not much to say other than
what I've written. I think the group should read
and discuss rather than just take one conclusion as
dicta<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:While I am crushed by the fact that you guys
were unconvinced by my arguments, and those of the
experts I cited, we should in my view not push the
matter to the point where a Max SChrems has to pop
up and take a case to Court. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Holly
Raiche:What about situations where the contact
details of an individual are gathered in their
capacity as a contact point for a registry/registrar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):companies register in an open
register of legal bodies , and info is availble
there, so what is the reason to protect it in some
other place? (if is already available)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:Article 29 WP 76 Opinion 2/2003 "registration
of domain names by individuals raises different
legal considerations than that of companies or other
legal persons registering domain names" ... "the
publication of certain information about the company
or organisation (such as their identification and
their physical address) is often a requirement by
law in the framework of the commercial or
professional activities they perform"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alan
Greenberg:I thought w were talking only about THIN
DATA today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:Happy to have further input, Stephanie.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:@Alan, agreed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo
Geurts:Susan, this applies only to personal data. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chris
Pelling:COMMENT: Sorry but the PPSAI WG already
deliberated this and it was understood that
companies could use privacy protection if they so
wished<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chris
Pelling:as sites would have to have their name and
address on anyway if they were selling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan
Kawaguchi:@Theo thanks so we have two categories of
data personal and commercial <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alan
Greenberg:@Chris, that is not always the case, Many
merchants on the Internet provide NO contact ot
identity information.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan
Kawaguchi:@Chris proxy is a different issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chris
Pelling:@Alan - but ultimately we already dealt with
this on PPSAI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo
Geurts:yes commercial data has to be displayed in
most EU countries. . commercial as for example a
compay Susan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chris
Pelling:we speent 2 years doing PPSAI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo
Geurts:but this is not part of a commercial use
discussion,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan
Kawaguchi:no this is a discussion of commercial
registration of domain names <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg
Aaron:I think the question was a bit confusing. My
udnerstanding is that if domain is registered by a
company, then the names etc. of individuals may
appear in whois in the domain record. That's
expliclty .UK's policy, which has been vetted quite
extensively for compliance with EU law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg
Aaron:So in Susan's example, -- Facebook.hu --
there's the name of a person. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:the matter of what a business has to provide
on the internet to identify itself varies enormously
from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and is set by
local law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan
Kawaguchi:@Greg yes our outside counsel consented to
the use of the information as part of the
requirement to register the domain name <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan
Kawaguchi:@Stephanie I agree but since one of the
possibilities for the new RDS system is to display
by jurisdiction we need to look at each and
everyone <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> steve
metalitz:@Stephanie but are those "other rights" for
small organizations privacy or data protection
rights? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):in the provided example the
secretary should have used the church address<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):there is no way to distinguish
private address from the public one unthil there is
no flag in place<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):Are we suggesting introduction of
private person data flag on the top of the current
DNS set ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):currently Registries recieve Privacy
protection service as a text field of the name of
the person <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> steve
metalitz:@Stephanie, thanks, the last point about
your registration agreement may be a compliance
issue --- because disclosure and obtaining consent
("a.k.a. notice and choice"?) is required under RAA
3.7.7.4 and 3.7.7.5. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg
Aaron:Notice of use of data is required in the RAA,
Stephanie. If you say you can't find them in your
registration contract, then please write into
ICANN's complinace department.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:I thought the requirement wasn't to inform
about rights, but to provide information sufficient
to obtain "specific and informed consent of the
subscriber ... prior to the inclusion of his
personal data into all kinds of public directories
(traditional telephony, mobile telephony, electronic
mail, electronic signatures etc.) used for reverse
or multi-criteria searches." Article 29 WP 33
Opinion 5/2000 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:@Steve. Thanks, and Registrars are required
to "3.7.7.5 The Registered Name Holder shall consent
to the data processing referred to in Subsection
3.7.7.4."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan
Kawaguchi:I would think that a ccTld registry would
review the legal collection and display of data in
their country. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:What I am talking about is the requirement
under PIPEDA to inform me of my rights under that
law....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo
Geurts:Most ccTLD registries comply perfectly when
it comes to personal data and data regulation/law in
combination of whois output<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan
Kawaguchi:Thanks Theo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:In Europe they do. NOt sure about elsewhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> steve
metalitz:@Maxim, good question. Is anything that
we have referred to as "thin data" PII? And if not,
how do these general principles (as presetned by
Peter and Stephanie) apply? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny
Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:Well said Theo... its a
wormhole <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):in case where a director (or CEO) by
mistake used his home address and phone instead of
the office one for a company domains ...it could be
seen as a parsonal data (despite the fact that the
particular person is not very advanced in
understanding of personal data, local personal data
regulator might say that is has to be protected)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo
Geurts:@stephanie a lot of ccTLDs outside the EU
also do not display personal data in a WHOIS, though
most of them are thick registries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> steve
metalitz:@Ste[hanie can you give an example of thin
data that is "personal data" as you use the term? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):the question of personal
identification might have different answers (for
example Police might say - that this set is enough
for us to identify with 99% weight, where some
ministry might say that is not a personal data)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):so it is very dependent on a
particular governmental agency/Law Enforcement/Data
Regulator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> steve
metalitz:Just FYI, "personal data" is a defined term
in RAA "data about about any identified or
identifiable natural person." <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Scott
Hollenbeck (Verisign):THin data for domain
example.com: Domain Name: EXAMPLE.COM
Registrar: RESERVED-INTERNET ASSIGNED NUMBERS
AUTHORITY Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 376
Whois Server: whois.iana.org Referral URL: <a
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Server: A.IANA-SERVERS.NET Name Server:
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID): Registries have to comply with the
local law , and it has own definitions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Scott
Hollenbeck (Verisign):I don't see anything tjhere
that can be loinked to an individual.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo
Geurts:@Steve I think the RAA should not be leading
for RDS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:@Scott. Agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:@Theo - but i think we need to be consistent
in the use of "defined terms". <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo
Geurts:@Alex I agree there, I guess I am not just
happy with the RAA one ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon::)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> steve
metalitz:@Theo, agree the RAA definition is not
controlling. But it is the status quo and it can be
helpful to be clear on that starting point. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:@Chuck - I think Peter K wanted to join the
debate. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo
Geurts:@Steve, agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):in case of thin whois ... I am not
sure where can we find personal data ... if we have
a REgistrar named as a personal address of a person
... ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:+1 Greg. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo
Geurts:+1 Greg Aaron, agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):professional legal advice about
personal data legislation in all countires might
cost 10th Millions USD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo
Geurts:Maxim, auction funds ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:Do you use thin data to find me? answer yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):if the current top audit companies
used ... most probably <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:@ stephanie - I'm not sure the logic you are
using is sound. perhaps we need to study the
property of transitivity for this use case. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Scott
Hollenbeck (Verisign):@Stephanie: I would use thin
data to find your registrar, and then your registrar
to find you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:Right. But the data you started with
pertains to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):asking GAC will not help (GAC is
more about telecom ministries , non necesary
personal data regulators)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chris
Pelling:we can hear you :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Scott
Hollenbeck (Verisign):You and thousands of other
people<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan
Kawaguchi:@stephanie does an updated data really
exclusively pertain to you? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg
Aaron:I don't believe that "anything" an be
considered personal information. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> steve
metalitz:+1 Greg A and I still have not heard an
example of which of the data elements listed in Thin
Whois record is personal data. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:Or address the gating question of informed
consent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Sara
Bockey:I need to drop for another call. thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kal
Feher:I think that regardless of your position on:
thin = personal data or thin != personal data, there
are good reasons directly related to domain
management to disclose it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan
Kawaguchi:+ 1 Kal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):it was a good confcall, thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:thanks, Chuck and tema<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio
Vayra:team<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim
Alzoba (FAITID):bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chris
Pelling:Thansks all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex
Deacon:thanks everyone....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Farell
FOLLY (Africa 2.0):It was great<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Nathalie
Coupet:Bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie
Perrin:Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Vaibhav
Aggarwal (NCSG):Thanks guys<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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