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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For those who were unable to attend, I strongly encourage you to listen to the recording and/or read the transcript. While we didn’t come to any conclusions, there was a lot
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michelle DeSmyter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:12 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat for Next-Gen RDS PDP WG on 07, February 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working
group call held on Tuesday, 7 February 2017 at 17:00 UTC.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="line-height:15.6pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">MP3:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-pdp-07feb17-en.mp3%20">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-pdp-07feb17-en.mp3 </a><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-13sep16-en.mp3"><span style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michelle DeSmyter:Dear all, Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP WG call on Tuesday, 7 February 2017 at 17:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_HIzRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=lc27DjD-rSaPdif3WmToWEno_eegMi7egqAgi_JeE_A&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_HIzRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=lc27DjD-rSaPdif3WmToWEno_eegMi7egqAgi_JeE_A&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:Afternoon all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):good evening<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Marika Konings:Peter, you can move the slides by using the arrows in the slide pod.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Norbert Komlan GLAKPE:Hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Marika Konings:Unless you prefer staff to do it for you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Peter Kimpian:thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Peter Kimpian:I am here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Peter Kimpian:I am here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michelle DeSmyter:he is a presenter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:Slides can be downloaded from <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64064540_Kimpian-5Fpdp-5Frds-5F2-5F2-5F17.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=I_NeBoC3gWnsk0-svUCTUNOA2jo8Nc40Eo4d_d3pL8I&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64064540_Kimpian-5Fpdp-5Frds-5F2-5F2-5F17.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=I_NeBoC3gWnsk0-svUCTUNOA2jo8Nc40Eo4d_d3pL8I&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Marika Konings:Peter, have you enabled your audio in Adobe connect or are you connected by phone?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Marika Konings:We can dial out to you if that is easier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michelle DeSmyter:I will send him a private chat <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:someone need to mut<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Vaibhav Aggarwal (NCSG):Hello Guys<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Vaibhav Aggarwal (NCSG):Sorry I was Late<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Vaibhav Aggarwal (NCSG):A Special Hello to Peter Kimpian :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alan Greenberg:I will be in CPH, but may not be able to participate in meeting due to conflicts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:A problem for several of us Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:Stephanie you may need to mute your speakers when your mic is open and others speak<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):some countries have no common law, only legal acts and written laws<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Lisa Phifer:Greenleaf's book - more info at <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__papers.ssrn.com_sol3_papers.cfm-3Fabstract-5Fid-3D2603502&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=-Wso0eREbIZgQv8o11RTkjPT0POsZFAzhV3nT6se5_Q&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__papers.ssrn.com_sol3_papers.cfm-3Fabstract-5Fid-3D2603502&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=-Wso0eREbIZgQv8o11RTkjPT0POsZFAzhV3nT6se5_Q&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kal Feher:is this slide deck downloadable at the moment?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex Deacon:Dumb question - Is ICANN the "data controller" in our world? Or is it the registries/registrars?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chuck Gomes:@ Alex: Please ask that question in Q&A if it is not answered sooner.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex Deacon:will do<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:ICANN is the data controller, because it sets the RAA which defines collection, use and discolosure. Registrars and registries are data
processors WRT the data that ICANN tells them to collect and display, including all relevant policies. THey are data controllers with respect to their own business operations, data they gather to sell other services for which ICANN does not set policy. So
they are hybrid. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex Deacon:got it. thanks. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chuck Gomes:Thanks Stephanie. Very helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:That means, by the way, that ICANN would get the fines under the new regulation. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:Note, this data collector definition was hotly debated during the EWG and I believe we never concluded as such<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:There are Art 29 documents on the concept of data controller and data processor on their website. Also on purpose specification. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:So you noted, and we reviewed and considered during the EWG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:Just saying, the collective groups reading of that didn't land on the same conclusion ... as I recall<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chuck Gomes:@ Fabricio: Please raise your hand at an appropriate point to share more about the conflict in the EWG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan Kawaguchi:domain:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">facebook.huregistrant:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">FACEBOOK INC.registrant:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">FACEBOOK INC.address:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">1601 Willow Roadaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">CA 94025 Menlo Parkaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">USphone:<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>+1.650 543 4801fax-no:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">+1.650 543 4800hun-id:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">1004461405admin-c:<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span> 2004663199tech-c:<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>2004659621zone-c:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">3000101177name server: <span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">ns4.lovellsnames.orgname server: <span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">ns1.lovellsnames.orgname server: <span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">2006-04-11 23:11:28changed:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">2014-02-06 11:14:02registrar:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">1990917022 <span class="apple-tab-span">
</span> admin-c:<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Dr. Partos László, Partos & Nobletaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">Szent István tér 11/B.address:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">1051 Budapestaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">HUphone:<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>+36 1 505 4480fax-no:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">+36 1 505 4485hun-id:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">2004663199 <span class="apple-tab-span">
</span> tech-c:<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>Hogan Lovells LLPaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">17 avenue Matignon, CS30027address:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">75378 Parisaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">FRphone:<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>+33.153674747fax-no:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">+33.153674748e-mail:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"><a href="mailto:hostmaster@lovellsnames.orghun-id">hostmaster@lovellsnames.orghun-id</a>:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">2004659621 <span class="apple-tab-span">
</span> zone-c:<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span>KiberNet Zone Adminaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">Victor Hugo 18-22.address:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">1132 Budapestaddress:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">HUphone:<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>(1) 4384567fax-no:<span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">hun-id:<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>3000101177 <span class="apple-tab-span"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> registrar:<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span> CyberNet Ltd.registrar:<span class="apple-tab-span"> </span> KiberNet Kft. (Re<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex Deacon:I was under the impression most of these applied only to "natural persons". <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:@Chuck, there's not much to say other than what I've written. I think the group should read and discuss rather than just take one conclusion
as dicta<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:While I am crushed by the fact that you guys were unconvinced by my arguments, and those of the experts I cited, we should in my view not
push the matter to the point where a Max SChrems has to pop up and take a case to Court. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Holly Raiche:What about situations where the contact details of an individual are gathered in their capacity as a contact point for a registry/registrar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):companies register in an open register of legal bodies , and info is availble there, so what is the reason to protect it in some other
place? (if is already available)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:Article 29 WP 76 Opinion 2/2003 "registration of domain names by individuals raises different legal considerations than that of companies
or other legal persons registering domain names" ... "the publication of certain information about the company or organisation (such as their identification and their physical address) is often a requirement by law in the framework of the commercial or professional
activities they perform"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alan Greenberg:I thought w were talking only about THIN DATA today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:Happy to have further input, Stephanie.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:@Alan, agreed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo Geurts:Susan, this applies only to personal data. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chris Pelling:COMMENT: Sorry but the PPSAI WG already deliberated this and it was understood that companies could use privacy protection if they so wished<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chris Pelling:as sites would have to have their name and address on anyway if they were selling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan Kawaguchi:@Theo thanks so we have two categories of data personal and commercial <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alan Greenberg:@Chris, that is not always the case, Many merchants on the Internet provide NO contact ot identity information.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan Kawaguchi:@Chris proxy is a different issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chris Pelling:@Alan - but ultimately we already dealt with this on PPSAI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo Geurts:yes commercial data has to be displayed in most EU countries. . commercial as for example a compay Susan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chris Pelling:we speent 2 years doing PPSAI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo Geurts:but this is not part of a commercial use discussion,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan Kawaguchi:no this is a discussion of commercial registration of domain names <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:I think the question was a bit confusing. My udnerstanding is that if domain is registered by a company, then the names etc. of individuals may
appear in whois in the domain record. That's expliclty .UK's policy, which has been vetted quite extensively for compliance with EU law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:So in Susan's example, -- Facebook.hu -- there's the name of a person. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:the matter of what a business has to provide on the internet to identify itself varies enormously from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and is
set by local law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan Kawaguchi:@Greg yes our outside counsel consented to the use of the information as part of the requirement to register the domain name <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan Kawaguchi:@Stephanie I agree but since one of the possibilities for the new RDS system is to display by jurisdiction we need to look at each and everyone <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> steve metalitz:@Stephanie but are those "other rights" for small organizations privacy or data protection rights? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):in the provided example the secretary should have used the church address<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):there is no way to distinguish private address from the public one unthil there is no flag in place<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Are we suggesting introduction of private person data flag on the top of the current DNS set ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):currently Registries recieve Privacy protection service as a text field of the name of the person <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> steve metalitz:@Stephanie, thanks, the last point about your registration agreement may be a compliance issue --- because disclosure and obtaining consent
("a.k.a. notice and choice"?) is required under RAA 3.7.7.4 and 3.7.7.5. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:Notice of use of data is required in the RAA, Stephanie. If you say you can't find them in your registration contract, then please write into
ICANN's complinace department.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:I thought the requirement wasn't to inform about rights, but to provide information sufficient to obtain "specific and informed consent of
the subscriber ... prior to the inclusion of his personal data into all kinds of public directories (traditional telephony, mobile telephony, electronic mail, electronic signatures etc.) used for reverse or multi-criteria searches." Article 29 WP 33 Opinion
5/2000 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:@Steve. Thanks, and Registrars are required to "3.7.7.5 The Registered Name Holder shall consent to the data processing referred to in Subsection
3.7.7.4."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan Kawaguchi:I would think that a ccTld registry would review the legal collection and display of data in their country. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:What I am talking about is the requirement under PIPEDA to inform me of my rights under that law....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo Geurts:Most ccTLD registries comply perfectly when it comes to personal data and data regulation/law in combination of whois output<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan Kawaguchi:Thanks Theo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:In Europe they do. NOt sure about elsewhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> steve metalitz:@Maxim, good question. Is anything that we have referred to as "thin data" PII? And if not, how do these general principles (as presetned
by Peter and Stephanie) apply? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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could be seen as a parsonal data (despite the fact that the particular person is not very advanced in understanding of personal data, local personal data regulator might say that is has to be protected)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo Geurts:@stephanie a lot of ccTLDs outside the EU also do not display personal data in a WHOIS, though most of them are thick registries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the question of personal identification might have different answers (for example Police might say - that this set is enough for us
to identify with 99% weight, where some ministry might say that is not a personal data)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):so it is very dependent on a particular governmental agency/Law Enforcement/Data Regulator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> steve metalitz:Just FYI, "personal data" is a defined term in RAA "data about about any identified or identifiable natural person." <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Scott Hollenbeck (Verisign):THin data for domain example.com: Domain Name: EXAMPLE.COM Registrar: RESERVED-INTERNET ASSIGNED NUMBERS AUTHORITY Sponsoring
Registrar IANA ID: 376 Whois Server: whois.iana.org Referral URL: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__res-2Ddom.iana.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=td5M9ZFdZEFYDnx4caKGtuOfOI8_Qt7_7r6bQGgmHbc&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__res-2Ddom.iana.org&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=td5M9ZFdZEFYDnx4caKGtuOfOI8_Qt7_7r6bQGgmHbc&e=</a> Name
Server: A.IANA-SERVERS.NET Name Server: B.IANA-SERVERS.NET Status: clientDeleteProhibited <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann.org_epp-23clientDeleteProhibited&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=AC6Y7Rf1VKtDfFZq3PEU_2LPfrFdDnKD7P9CaIU1JeA&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann.org_epp-23clientDeleteProhibited&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=AC6Y7Rf1VKtDfFZq3PEU_2LPfrFdDnKD7P9CaIU1JeA&e=</a> Status:
clientTransferProhibited <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann.org_epp-23clientTransferProhibited&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=Uy2DKpPGhKqJ9HRS4qJLQ98TdBNDjE0M9gYyLmea5Kk&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann.org_epp-23clientTransferProhibited&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=Uy2DKpPGhKqJ9HRS4qJLQ98TdBNDjE0M9gYyLmea5Kk&e=</a> Status:
clientUpdateProhibited <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann.org_epp-23clientUpdateProhibited&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=fl4n7firUWvQFiW_YqcGkCwAbhX3ldcmpbzFm3vEmow&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann.org_epp-23clientUpdateProhibited&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=oq1gcB9v_hPVs7u_EgoL-woVPpSg6ll-onpLgLlzUnY&s=fl4n7firUWvQFiW_YqcGkCwAbhX3ldcmpbzFm3vEmow&e=</a> Updated
Date: 14-aug-2016 Creation Date: 14-aug-1995 Expiration Date: 13-aug-2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): Registries have to comply with the local law , and it has own definitions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo Geurts:@Steve I think the RAA should not be leading for RDS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo Geurts:@Alex I agree there, I guess I am not just happy with the RAA one ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> steve metalitz:@Theo, agree the RAA definition is not controlling. But it is the status quo and it can be helpful to be clear on that starting point. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex Deacon:@Chuck - I think Peter K wanted to join the debate. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo Geurts:@Steve, agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):in case of thin whois ... I am not sure where can we find personal data ... if we have a REgistrar named as a personal address of a
person ... ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo Geurts:+1 Greg Aaron, agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):professional legal advice about personal data legislation in all countires might cost 10th Millions USD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Theo Geurts:Maxim, auction funds ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Do you use thin data to find me? answer yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):if the current top audit companies used ... most probably <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Alex Deacon:@ stephanie - I'm not sure the logic you are using is sound. perhaps we need to study the property of transitivity for this use case. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Scott Hollenbeck (Verisign):@Stephanie: I would use thin data to find your registrar, and then your registrar to find you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stephanie Perrin:Right. But the data you started with pertains to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):asking GAC will not help (GAC is more about telecom ministries , non necesary personal data regulators)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Chris Pelling:we can hear you :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Scott Hollenbeck (Verisign):You and thousands of other people<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Susan Kawaguchi:@stephanie does an updated data really exclusively pertain to you? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Greg Aaron:I don't believe that "anything" an be considered personal information. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> steve metalitz:+1 Greg A and I still have not heard an example of which of the data elements listed in Thin Whois record is personal data. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:Or address the gating question of informed consent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Sara Bockey:I need to drop for another call. thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Kal Feher:I think that regardless of your position on: thin = personal data or thin != personal data, there are good reasons directly related to domain management
to disclose it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it was a good confcall, thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:thanks, Chuck and tema<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Fabricio Vayra:team<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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