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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 9 Feb 2017, at 16:41, John Horton <<a href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com" class="">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family: Avenir, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 128); margin: 0px;" class="">+1.</div><br style="font-family: Avenir, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div id="bloop_sign_1486658472877316096" class="bloop_sign" style="font-family: Avenir, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><font color="#073763" face="Avenir-Book" style="font-variant-ligatures: normal;" class="">John Horton<br class="">President and CEO, LegitScript</font><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-variant-ligatures: normal;" class=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" size="2" class=""><span id="cid:C07B7C8D-21BF-4E3E-9D5F-22084A48BEF5"><wBqYjd_P11PQGFdPcMEyZsVBBGWuq7I4h2wc_UF-Ke2HXh-SOizd8U0cJWDpOdchYnanz6JRhJ8Zq1wYhIkccv1u2zZJ4OxNgesjT6Neb_6GyXjFV2tOv7uJVxx7MN_IDdvo8zgML4MZtOX_ekeEBgDD0d5y4f7ZD4gwNssxqnxDE7tsV5Cn4W4Rc2zj2QFP5V3fRm893MaZ50I=s0-d-e1-ft></span></font><br class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; 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font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><font color="#ff9900" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; line-height: normal;" class=""><font color="#ff9900" class=""><img src="https://www.legitscript.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/LegitScript-Workplace.png" width="46" height="96" class=""><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJTmNWbmcwOTVJMXc&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJQlZWOXVGbG9acC9nRGhzdEkxclFJVytCWVNjPQ" width="47" height="96" class=""></font></div></div></div></div><br style="font-family: Avenir, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><p class="airmail_on" style="font-family: Avenir, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">On February 9, 2017 at 8:39:31 AM, Greg Aaron (<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com" class="">gca@icginc.com</a>) wrote:</p><blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq" style="font-family: Avenir, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class=""><div class=""><div class=""></div><div class="">Is ICANN (or anyone else) responsible for protecting Spicer from himself? A lot of the articles about this subject point out that Spicer was neglectful and occasionally incompetent.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Here are some facts to consider:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">* Privacy protection was available and Spicer didn’t obtain it. That was his choice.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">* Spicer agreed to have his data published in WHOIS. So that was either OK with him, or he didn't read the terms of service in his domain registration agreement. Either way, it was his choice.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">* Spicer tweeted out his own Twitter password. He's responsible for that.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">* Spicer himself published his email address in many, many public places over the years. A simple Google search will tell you what his email address was.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">* Those data breaches that Volker mentions have nothing to do with domain registration data. They did not reveal domain registration data. Domain registration data didn't allow hackers to penetrate Dropbox, LinkedIn, and MySpace, and the other places where Spicer's credentials were lost over the years. Bad corporate security allowed those breaches to happen.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">* Spicer has a very different risk profile than the average person. He's been a prominent PR and political operative for many years (and is now working for the most scrutinized entity in the world). A key tenet of risk assessment is that exceptional cases may not justify making rules that affect everyone.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">All best,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">--Greg<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 4:28 AM<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">As we tend to get lost in the thick and nitty gritty from time to time, this recent article should remind us what we are working for:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://mashable.com/2017/02/07/sean-spicer-who-is" class="">mashable.com/2017/02/07/sean-spicer-who-is</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">also here:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><a href="http://domainnamewire.com/2017/02/08/sean-spicer-brings-attention-whois-privacy/" class="">http://domainnamewire.com/2017/02/08/sean-spicer-brings-attention-whois-privacy/</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">While it could not have hit a nicer guy, he completely and accurately followed policy and look where it lead. Hi private address and telephone number as well as email address known to the world, other domains he registered for himself and his family published, etc. As his email address was compromised in no less than three leaks (plus one honorable mention on Wikileaks), and he recently tweeted his password, it may even be possible to dig deeper.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">I hope this helps remind folks that getting private data out of the public view is a good thing.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Volker A. 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