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<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>that is a totally different issue. Maybe such services need
better regulation, but as long as the policy requirements are met,
taking action solely based on the use of such services is
impossible.</p>
<p>Volker</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 14.02.2017 um 20:19 schrieb Greg
Aaron:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">No,
the RAA validation steps are trivially easy to get
around. You use the example of a fake email address.
Criminals know not to use fake email addresses, and they
don’t need to because they can get email addresses for
free. One can sign up for free email accounts
anonymously. There are even underground services that
will generate freemail accounts in bulk. These services
cater to criminals such as spammers who need to register
lots of domain names. <o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">All
best,<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">--Greg<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hollenbeck, Scott<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"><elsakoo@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public
whois<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
allison nixon [</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hollenbeck, Scott <</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">shollenbeck@verisign.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Dangers of public whois<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>[SAH] Actually, there *are*
requirements to provide valid data and for registrars to
perform validation processing:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How do you expect toothless policy to
work *on the Internet*? Seriously?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Yes,
seriously. Registrars who do not implement the policy
are subject to having their accreditation revoked.
ICANN has, in fact, revoked or suspended
accreditations. Here are two examples:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2007-03-16-en"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2007-03-16-en</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/serad-to-patel-2-18jul14-en.pdf"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/serad-to-patel-2-18jul14-en.pdf</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">worst that can happen when you put in
fake whois data is that your domain gets reported, you
change "123 fake st" to "124 fake st", and your
registrar is satisfied because what more can they
possibly do. I know this because I went through this
with an old sinkhole domain. It's a total joke. Let's
not pretend it's anything more than that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Not
true. A fake email address, for example, can be
detected easily when email sent to it (one of the
registrar’s validation requirements) gets bounced
back. The worst that can happen is that your domain
gets put into some non-operational state (“suspend the
registration” per the RAA).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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