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Lets shoot for Johannesburg.<br>
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Theo <br>
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<b>Date: </b>Monday 20 February 2017 at 16:43<br>
<b>To: </b>Chris Pelling <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chris@netearth.net"><chris@netearth.net></a><br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public
whois<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial;color:black">Well, we
have ICANN 58 coming up with a very tight
schedule looking at the draft. Something the
registrars took on was at the Dublin meeting, we
booked a room above a pub, got some drinks and
munchies together, to get the "LEA/Public
safety" and registrars together - the night was
a success.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial;color:black">IF we
could find somewhere, and get something sorted,
would there be any interest from the group, and
if so, how many ? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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appreciate this is a totally different situation
and requirement, but, its just a thought :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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regards,<br>
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Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:black">"Sam
Lanfranco" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>To: </b>"chris" <<a
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"Michele Neylon" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a
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<b>Sent: </b>Monday, 20 February, 2017 14:38:40<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers
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<p><span style="font-family:Arial;color:black">Chris,
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Your comment yanked my chain. I agree with
you 100% when you say “The problem is from
the takedown / infringement requests we see,
1, 2 and 3 [<b><i>due diligence</i></b>] are
not even thought of,
<b>so part of this is education</b>.” Good
idea. How do we get there from here?<br>
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As an economist I get pulled into very large
project proposals that are being clobbered
together by well meaning, well educated,
people with their own personal PICs (Public
Interest Commitments) and who just want to
do good. In the “good works” area there are
just as many crooks, frauds, and sociopaths
as can be found trolling in the DNS system.
However, over and over again it takes me
less than two hours of due diligence to
uncover yet one more “financier” who is a
fraud, a crook, or simply trolling for a
big hit, and has the financial resources of
a raccoon, information the “good works”
people have managed to overlook.
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An effective educational strategy is clearly
needed here. That may include a <b><i>DumbOne’s
Guide to DNS Complaints</i></b> (avoided
a trademark there) and maybe even generic
semi-standard forms for initiating
complaints. To do that, it would be useful
to know the data on types of complaints by
type of complainant (e.g. how many and what
types come from lawyers, from individuals,
etc.) as background for better education
here. Access to that "How to" guide should
at least be flagged in the domain name
registration process, the web hosting
process and in queries about complaining. <br>
<br>
Sam L.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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weigh in here for a registrar who does
not host content that is not owned by
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views and points on this are, for
content based issues, in priority
order, top being the highest (and
first port of call) :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:black">1.
Registrant if available or any contact
that is identifiable on the website in
question, if a sub-domain, check the
main domain by removing the subdomain
and adding www or leaving it off.
(some free hosting sites give
subdomains away free, but the main
site is always only 1 click away)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial;color:black">2.
Hosting company, look at the
nameservers and this sometimes gives
the hosting company name, put the
nameserver name into google and more
often than not, the hosting company
will pop up - contact them alerting
them to the fact that there is
potentially infringing information on
a website that is hosted on servers
under their control. Good hosting
companies are very responsive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial;color:black">3.
If you cannot work out 2 above, whois
the IP address of the website
(including any subdomain), this will
give you the IP address owner, they
will surely know whom that have given
/ rented / leased the IPs too and this
gives you 2 above. If you from doing
this get the registrar and they are
not the hosting company, this would
lend to it be a forwarding service, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial;color:black">4.
If they are a "reseller
centric/wholesale" registrar (eNom,
Tucows. Realtime, NEO), then WHOIS
will often have a "Registration
service provided by" or "Reseller" in
the whois output, this gives you the
registering party who took the order,
if not at the very least the
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style="font-family:Arial;color:black">The
problem is from the takedown /
infringement requests we see, 1, 2 and
3 are not even thought of, so part of
this is education.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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regards,<br>
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Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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