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<p>Sounds good Victoria, thanks!</p>
<p>Theo<br>
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<div>If / when this is set up. I'm happy to share with you how we
approach these issues at RIAA.<br>
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On Feb 20, 2017, at 11:43 AM, theo geurts <<a
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Lets shoot for Johannesburg.<br>
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Theo <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20-2-2017 17:52, Michele
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on behalf of John Horton
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<b>Date: </b>Monday 20 February 2017 at 16:43<br>
<b>To: </b>Chris Pelling <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of
public whois<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 8:29 AM,
Chris Pelling <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Sam,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:black">Well,
we have ICANN 58 coming up with a very
tight schedule looking at the draft.
Something the registrars took on was at
the Dublin meeting, we booked a room above
a pub, got some drinks and munchies
together, to get the "LEA/Public safety"
and registrars together - the night was a
success.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:black">IF
we could find somewhere, and get something
sorted, would there be any interest from
the group, and if so, how many ? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial;color:black">I
appreciate this is a totally different
situation and requirement, but, its just a
thought :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:black">Kind
regards,<br>
<br>
Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</b><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:black">"Sam
Lanfranco" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"
target="_blank">sam@lanfranco.net</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"chris" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chris@netearth.net"
target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>>,
"Michele Neylon" <<a
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href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a
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<b>Sent: </b>Monday, 20 February, 2017
14:38:40<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Dangers of public whois<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:black">Chris,
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Your comment yanked my chain. I agree
with you 100% when you say “The
problem is from the takedown /
infringement requests we see, 1, 2 and
3 [<b><i>due diligence</i></b>] are
not even thought of,
<b>so part of this is education</b>.”
Good idea. How do we get there from
here?<br>
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As an economist I get pulled into very
large project proposals that are being
clobbered together by well meaning,
well educated, people with their own
personal PICs (Public Interest
Commitments) and who just want to do
good. In the “good works” area there
are just as many crooks, frauds, and
sociopaths as can be found trolling in
the DNS system. However, over and over
again it takes me less than two hours
of due diligence to uncover yet one
more “financier” who is a fraud, a
crook, or simply trolling for a big
hit, and has the financial resources
of a raccoon, information the “good
works” people have managed to
overlook.
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An effective educational strategy is
clearly needed here. That may include
a <b><i>DumbOne’s Guide to DNS
Complaints</i></b> (avoided a
trademark there) and maybe even
generic semi-standard forms for
initiating complaints. To do that, it
would be useful to know the data on
types of complaints by type of
complainant (e.g. how many and what
types come from lawyers, from
individuals, etc.) as background for
better education here. Access to that
"How to" guide should at least be
flagged in the domain name
registration process, the web hosting
process and in queries about
complaining. <br>
<br>
Sam L.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:black">On
2/20/2017 8:32 AM, Chris Pelling
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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weigh in here for a registrar
who does not host content that
is not owned by him.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:black">My
views and points on this are,
for content based issues, in
priority order, top being the
highest (and first port of call)
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial;color:black">1.
Registrant if available or any
contact that is identifiable on
the website in question, if a
sub-domain, check the main
domain by removing the subdomain
and adding www or leaving it
off. (some free hosting
sites give subdomains away free,
but the main site is always only
1 click away)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial;color:black">2.
Hosting company, look at the
nameservers and this sometimes
gives the hosting company name,
put the nameserver name into
google and more often than not,
the hosting company will pop up
- contact them alerting them to
the fact that there is
potentially infringing
information on a website that is
hosted on servers under their
control. Good hosting companies
are very responsive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:black">3.
If you cannot work out 2 above,
whois the IP address of the
website (including any
subdomain), this will give you
the IP address owner, they will
surely know whom that have given
/ rented / leased the IPs too
and this gives you 2 above. If
you from doing this get the
registrar and they are not the
hosting company, this would lend
to it be a forwarding service, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial;color:black">4.
If they are a "reseller
centric/wholesale" registrar
(eNom, Tucows. Realtime, NEO),
then WHOIS will often have a
"Registration service provided
by" or "Reseller" in the whois
output, this gives you the
registering party who took the
order, if not at the very least
the registrar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial;color:black">The
problem is from the takedown /
infringement requests we see, 1,
2 and 3 are not even thought of,
so part of this is education.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:black">Kind
regards,<br>
<br>
Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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