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<p>Chuck, Just a quick follow up. The "education" call here goes
well beyond ICANN's mission, its scope of remit, or our rds-pdp-wg
charter. It needs to be done somewhere beyond ICANN. But ICANN can
flag that it is something that needs to be done for good
citizenship in the Internet ecosystem. <br>
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<p>Back to the car analogy, ICANN is designing the roads, access
points, the lanes, and the signage, but someone else has to
educate domain name owners and complainants about how to properly
drive to their destinations.</p>
<p>Sam L. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/20/2017 9:57 AM, Gomes, Chuck
wrote:<br>
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recommending education are possible as long as they are
within ICANN’s mission and our charter so let’s keep that in
mind when we get to Phase 2. In the meantime, we might
consider requirements for education. There is probably no
way to force education on users and registrants but it is
probably reasonable to make educational materials easily
available and encourage their usage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sam Lanfranco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 20, 2017 9:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Pelling <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chris@netearth.net"><chris@netearth.net></a>;
Michele Neylon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers
of public whois<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Chris, <br>
<br>
Your comment yanked my chain. I agree with you 100% when you
say “The problem is from the takedown / infringement requests
we see, 1, 2 and 3 [<b><i>due diligence</i></b>] are not even
thought of,
<b>so part of this is education</b>.” Good idea. How do we get
there from here?<br>
<br>
As an economist I get pulled into very large project proposals
that are being clobbered together by well meaning, well
educated, people with their own personal PICs (Public Interest
Commitments) and who just want to do good. In the “good works”
area there are just as many crooks, frauds, and sociopaths as
can be found trolling in the DNS system. However, over and
over again it takes me less than two hours of due diligence to
uncover yet one more “financier” who is a fraud, a crook, or
simply trolling for a big hit, and has the financial
resources of a raccoon, information the “good works” people
have managed to overlook.
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<br>
An effective educational strategy is clearly needed here. That
may include a <b><i>DumbOne’s Guide to DNS Complaints</i></b>
(avoided a trademark there) and maybe even generic
semi-standard forms for initiating complaints. To do that, it
would be useful to know the data on types of complaints by
type of complainant (e.g. how many and what types come from
lawyers, from individuals, etc.) as background for better
education here. Access to that "How to" guide should at least
be flagged in the domain name registration process, the web
hosting process and in queries about complaining. <br>
<br>
Sam L.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/20/2017 8:32 AM, Chris Pelling
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I'll
weigh in here for a registrar who does not host
content that is not owned by him.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My
views and points on this are, for content based
issues, in priority order, top being the highest (and
first port of call) :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">1.
Registrant if available or any contact that is
identifiable on the website in question, if a
sub-domain, check the main domain by removing the
subdomain and adding www or leaving it off.
(some free hosting sites give subdomains away free,
but the main site is always only 1 click away)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2.
Hosting company, look at the nameservers and this
sometimes gives the hosting company name, put the
nameserver name into google and more often than not,
the hosting company will pop up - contact them
alerting them to the fact that there is potentially
infringing information on a website that is hosted on
servers under their control. Good hosting companies
are very responsive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3.
If you cannot work out 2 above, whois the IP address
of the website (including any subdomain), this will
give you the IP address owner, they will surely know
whom that have given / rented / leased the IPs too and
this gives you 2 above. If you from doing this get
the registrar and they are not the hosting company,
this would lend to it be a forwarding service, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">4.
If they are a "reseller centric/wholesale" registrar
(eNom, Tucows. Realtime, NEO), then WHOIS will often
have a "Registration service provided by" or
"Reseller" in the whois output, this gives you the
registering party who took the order, if not at the
very least the registrar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The
problem is from the takedown / infringement requests
we see, 1, 2 and 3 are not even thought of, so part of
this is education.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Kind
regards,<br>
<br>
Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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