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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working group call held on
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><a href="https://participate.icann.org/p28gqj6y634/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=fb91ec974c24d6071c9c7647498a8a43d1dea717179a89b04dfccfea12485224">https://participate.icann.org/p28gqj6y634/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><u><span style="font-family:Calibri">AC Chat Next-Gen RDS PDP WG </span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Calibri">Wednesday</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-family:Calibri">,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP WG call on Wednesday, 22 February 2017 at 06:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Nathalie Peregrine:Wiki agenda page: </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_BZ-2DRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=OwWBvjpP6KseeHuW88PKYaa1IN0Tqp31SUtlOStxSiY&s=4mai8ReBC5Qq09XkiVleY9wDpa0JwIeiJ19LGVquInI&e="><span lang="DE">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_BZ-2DRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=OwWBvjpP6KseeHuW88PKYaa1IN0Tqp31SUtlOStxSiY&s=4mai8ReBC5Qq09XkiVleY9wDpa0JwIeiJ19LGVquInI&e=</span></a></span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Chuck Gomes:Hello<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Michele Neylon:bazinga<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:not sure how long I'll hang on. apologies <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Michele Neylon:define "middle of the night"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it greatly depends on the previous day <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Sam Lanfranco npoc/ncsg/cshi:Good morning all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Holly Raiche:Some of us are very happy with the time<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:We are always happy to see you on this timeslot Holly, it makes it all worthwhile!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Holly Raiche:Thanks Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:it strikes me that I haven't updated my soi to note Oracle owns Dyn. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:doubt it matters, but will update anyway <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Chris Pelling:Apologiesfor tadriness, its early :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:DPAs are not likely to be there on Wednesday though, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:It is the UN Special Rapporteur....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:We are trying to get Caroline but no word yet...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:I averred to this in list mail, but this overall question automatically implicates accès<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:vs collection <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:Also long weekend in Canada:-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:(btw: side remark, not for vox on call)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Holly Raiche:@ Andrew - We're you also impliedly raising questions about what is collected?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):3 &4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:my point is that we're supposed to be talking now about collecting, but general questions implicate access too. inseparable <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):if the person botes twice and the first one was yes, and the second was no ... what happens?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*votes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:agree with Andrew, we are rarely clear and it is a problem<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Holly Raiche:@ Stephanie +1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:I keep not complaining about these questions because I want this part to be over. But existing policies assume undifferentiated access<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:so the binary question is a prejudicial baseline (not intentionally so, I know)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Holly Raiche:Thanks Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Holly Raiche:@ Andrew - prejudicial?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):ICANN is an US entity, to they do not have to care<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Holly Raiche:@ Andrew - that was a question - not sure what you mean<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:"determining things in advance". trying to be telegraphic :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Holly Raiche:@ Andrew - thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Marika Konings:Note this is the recent GNSO Council decision on WHOIS conflicts with local law that Stephanie is referring to: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_council_resolutions-23201702&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=OwWBvjpP6KseeHuW88PKYaa1IN0Tqp31SUtlOStxSiY&s=59gg5s9LVbe6uZ5o8Mz7hrfI1gVNBBFirPRkIfml2Tk&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_council_resolutions-23201702&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=OwWBvjpP6KseeHuW88PKYaa1IN0Tqp31SUtlOStxSiY&s=59gg5s9LVbe6uZ5o8Mz7hrfI1gVNBBFirPRkIfml2Tk&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Chris Pelling:COMMENT: No one should be put under the bus here, but we are worried that we are conflicting with local law and this needs to be resolved, and not some silly waiver that
has been used before that is hard to get<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and for ICANN (their local law is California Corp. Code) there is no conflict with the local law :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Marika Konings:as directed by the GNSO Council the IAG report that triggered this decision will be shared with this WG shortly for your information (although I believe it was already
on the list of input documents)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Holly Raiche:@ Andrew - so correct. I think some time back, Jim did say let's back up and look at what data is collected in the first place BEFORE asking who has access to it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:Unfortunately, in my view, the moment one starts talking about "use cases" we elide the two, purpose for running the DNS and secondary purposes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:@stephanie: do you want to draw a line _in collection _ between "absolutely necessary for dns resolution " and every other thing?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Sam Lanfranco npoc/ncsg/cshi:Question: Do we have an agreed understanding of what we mean by "data processing" in the context of this RDS discussion?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Alex Deacon:mic issues....I'll follow up later....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Alex Deacon:apologies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Holly Raiche:The issue with the questions on the screen is that we should start with what data is legitimately collected<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):location of personal data might be an issue too<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:Yes I would like to draw that line Andrew...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Michele Neylon:FYI </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theregister.co.uk_2005_02_11_nominet-5Fcourt-5Fcase_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=OwWBvjpP6KseeHuW88PKYaa1IN0Tqp31SUtlOStxSiY&s=pAvtSRmH2XW66MA9iBmdKsJRfNw_twquHaXM17btlJw&e="><span lang="DE">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theregister.co.uk_2005_02_11_nominet-5Fcourt-5Fcase_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=OwWBvjpP6KseeHuW88PKYaa1IN0Tqp31SUtlOStxSiY&s=pAvtSRmH2XW66MA9iBmdKsJRfNw_twquHaXM17btlJw&e=</span></a></span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Michele Neylon:From a few years back .. .. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the case about localization of data <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_world_2016_nov_17_russia-2Dblocks-2Daccess-2Dto-2Dlinkedin-2Dover-2Dforeign-2Dheld-2Ddata&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=OwWBvjpP6KseeHuW88PKYaa1IN0Tqp31SUtlOStxSiY&s=yI4p11YimufS4ubL6ym84xNg5MttbEOhwpg8Sp9F2Kw&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_world_2016_nov_17_russia-2Dblocks-2Daccess-2Dto-2Dlinkedin-2Dover-2Dforeign-2Dheld-2Ddata&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=OwWBvjpP6KseeHuW88PKYaa1IN0Tqp31SUtlOStxSiY&s=yI4p11YimufS4ubL6ym84xNg5MttbEOhwpg8Sp9F2Kw&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:@stephanie: so why isn't random Dynamic Update good enough for registration (==data collection)? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:the difference you describe is the diff between "ok collection" and not (for you)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Andrew, we need to be sure that we do not face random access :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:What do you mean by random dynamic update, and why is it not good enough for registration?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:(in other words, when did I say it was not good enough?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Alex Deacon:I'm not sure a poll is needed for this....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):adding "I did not understand the question" to polls? (side note)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):as a third option<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:What requirements might laws place on RDS policies regarding purposes associated with "thin data"? Are these requirements, or are there other requirements?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):agree<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:@Stephanie & @Maxim: there's something beyond "random person registers in root zone "<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Andrew, the issue is that the difference between legal and illegal is not technical and can not be resolved by tech means<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Sam Lanfranco npoc/ncsg/cshi:Re: Q2.3 Does "maintaining" refer to some or all of (a) updating, (b) purging, (c) storage - needs to be made clear at some point<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:the difference is the quantum of "necessary collection"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think it is up to a local law<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:agree that legal and illegal is not network-operations technical. they're legal (which is a techne, note)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Holly Raiche:@ Lisa - the laws aren't speficially about RDS - but about a person/corporation having a need for the data in question so as to carry out what it is to do - which leadsinto
Andrew/Stephanie's questions - how to define what data is necessary for a registry/registrar to carry out their function - however defined (another BIG question)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):potentially we might face situation where jurisdiction of registry/registrar/accessing party matrix will have to be used (not all combinations would work)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Holly Raiche:@ Stephanie - we can't hear you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:please unmute me <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Nathalie Peregrine:You are not muted Stephanie, please try to reconnect your mic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:Nathalie muted me when I redialed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:She is reading the example from .EU<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:mute please<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:Sorry, I guess I was skipping ahead too much....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Andrew Sullivan:sorry, must drop.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:All, note the handout also includes sections from the registrar and registry agreement pertaining to purpose<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):ccTLDs are not good examples for gTLDs ... different models (they relay on local legislation and do not have RA with ICANN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:For example, the RAA sections pertaining to purpose of collection, access, consent, processing, compatibility, protection, infringement, and applicable jurisdictions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:@Maxim, agreed - however, the are subject to the data protection laws that we have been discussing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do not forget .cn examples too<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Kal Feher:there's a chicken and egg situation implied in the .eu statement. whois data is used by several concensus policies to describe how to determine ownership or for domain lifecycle
related activities. but that isnt strictly required. if there were different domain ownership dispute mechanisms or lifecycle event notice mechanisms, you wouldnt need whois data as it exists today. with the sole exception of DNS information<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Marika Konings:maybe we should put " " around consensus policies to make sure that it is considered the defined term as in the ICANN agreements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:yes that would help as the waters are being muddied these days <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):RFCs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Sara Bockey:I need to drop. Thanks all!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:Absolutely! We start with the RAA...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Kal Feher:not to be pedantic, but concensus policies are not defined in the agreements. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:@Kal implemented?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Marika Konings:@Kal - as I understand it the agreements specificy what needs to happen for something to be considered a Consensus Policy. Is that not a definition?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Kal Feher:youur obligation to follow concensus policies are contained within the agreements (if you are a contracted party)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span lang="FI" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Marika Konings:see </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_approved-2Dwith-2Dspecs-2D2013-2D09-2D17-2Den-23consensus-2Dtemporary&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=OwWBvjpP6KseeHuW88PKYaa1IN0Tqp31SUtlOStxSiY&s=CI9JBI2IqI-Dj23AM6GnF9JrrfbshSQQ7Ebi2Xwf5so&e="><span lang="FI">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_approved-2Dwith-2Dspecs-2D2013-2D09-2D17-2Den-23consensus-2Dtemporary&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=OwWBvjpP6KseeHuW88PKYaa1IN0Tqp31SUtlOStxSiY&s=CI9JBI2IqI-Dj23AM6GnF9JrrfbshSQQ7Ebi2Xwf5so&e=</span></a></span><span lang="FI" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FI" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):also we can not influence RFCs from IETF, and all gTLD registries have to follow it blindly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Marika Konings:From the RAA: "Consensus Policies" are those policies established (1) pursuant to the procedure set forth in ICANN's Bylaws and due process, and (2) covering those topics
listed in Section 1.2 of this document. The Consensus Policy development process and procedure set forth in ICANN's Bylaws may be revised from time to time in accordance with the process set forth therein.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Michele Neylon:though I actually I am at home .. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Kal Feher:I was pointing out that the policies are not within the agreement, not the definition of what a consensus policy is. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Marika Konings:ah, ok, sorry I misunderstood you. Yes, you are correct. Consensus policies are listed separately on ICANN's web-site although in certain cases they will replace what is
in the agreement. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Regarding iii), does this statement of purpose actually provide a framework that enables compliance with applicable laws? If not, what needs to be added/modified to do so?
This ties back to the previous question being deliberated upon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Kal Feher:@marika, yes. my point, lost now I think, was that your agreement evolves with the policies, not the other way around<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):@maxim - ICANN follows RFCs because we choose to. If we wanted something different we could, in principle, specify something different. Also, anyone can influence
RFCs by participating in the IETF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:NOte that ii) is [I think] consistency with OTHER consensus policies, not consistency with existing WHOIS policies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:Have you considered sending the DPAs a briefing paper?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Chris Pelling:Thanks all, have a great day :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Sam Lanfranco npoc/ncsg/cshi:bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:Thanks All <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:Bye <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:I think so too....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:I expect we need to follow up with Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Marika Konings:we'll be publishing the GNSO policy briefings shortly that provide some background info that may be of use?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:Might be helpful . a data map would also be great.....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Patrick Lenihan:Thanks to Each and All!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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