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<font color="#660000">Michele, et. al.<br>
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I may be way off base here but I am thinking about the complaints
issue from a researcher perspective. <br>
<br>
Would there be any merit to simply having a link in, or at the
bottom of, the public (rds/whois) data that is a link to a site <br>
(standard by registrar, by country, icann, or whatever) that has a
"howto guide" for going forward with a complaint?<br>
If that existed it could be added to the "Contact Us", FAQ, and
other link sites.<br>
Available at those points of inquiry it would probably redirect a
lot of traffic away from the registrar. <br>
<br>
It might work at the ICANN level much as the following that turns
up in a whois search: <br>
</font><br>
<font color="#660000">>>> Last update of whois database:
Tue, 05 Jan 2016 11:23:29 GMT <<<<br>
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For more information on Whois status codes, please visit<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-06-16-en">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-06-16-en</a>.<br>
<i><font color="#ff0000">Maybe => For complaint information
please visit <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.icann.org/domain-name-complaints">https://www.icann.org/domain-name-complaints</a><br>
<br>
</font></i>Sam L. </font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/24/2017 8:46 AM, Michele Neylon -
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
don’t think anyone was trying to push for “rules” about how
reports should be made.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
know I wasn’t.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’ll
also keep telling people who complain to us about $stuff to
go to our clients first .. since most of the time they’re
the ones they should be dealing with.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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+353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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blog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some
thoughts: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
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Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Horton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"><john.horton@legitscript.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 24 February 2017 at 13:40<br>
<b>To: </b>Volker Greimann
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"><vgreimann@key-systems.net></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>theo geurts <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"><gtheo@xs4all.nl></a>, Michele
Neylon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public
whois<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">I like
Volker's idea of including hosting details in the
ultimate RDS. It's additional information, which may
be useful to the viewer. From a concrete use-case
perspective, when I or one of my analysts is
evaluating whether a merchant should be boarded with a
bank or rejected based on risk, it's certainly one of
the details we look it. (I'm not sure it's technically
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<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">I object
to using the RDS (or this group) to establish chains
or a hierarchy of responsibility as being outside of
our scope and mandate. (Chuck, maybe we can get a
ruling on that?) I realize that there are members of
this group who believe that a complainant should
always go to the registrant first, then the host, and
only the registrar as a last resort (some believe
never). But that's not how everyone feels. Others
believe it should be the payment processor first.
Still others believe the registrar should be the first
point of contact for a complaint. Still others believe
there is no hierarchy and it's a case-by-case solution
and all facilitators are equally valid points of
contact. My point is not to get into an argument about
who is right there (I and I'm sure many others don't
have the time, and many of us have discussed this
elsewhere); I simply don't think we should be using
this group to try and resolve that particular issue,
or impose some sort of a structure on internet users,
because I think it's probably outside the scope of our
mandate (and I will strongly note that I don't think
there's consensus on that issue).</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">Chuck, if I'm
wrong and it's inside the scope of our mandate to use
the RDS to establish a structure about who a
complainant should approach first, second, third,
fourth, etc. let us know, but if it's in scope, that's
going to be a somewhat different discussion. Again, my
objective here isn't to launch another 100-email
debate about who is right or wrong; my objective is to
argue that a) the idea of including hosting
information in the RDS seems like a pretty reasonable
one, but b) doing that in order to impose rules on
internet users on what complaint hierarchy they should
follow is out of scope for our mandate. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 4:35 AM,
Volker Greimann <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So should we maybe include hosting
details in the ultimate RDS? These would have to be
supplied differently, but it would make sense if we
want to establish chains of responsibility in the
data.
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Am 20.02.2017 um 14:20 schrieb theo geurts:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good point Michele,<br>
<br>
RDS should be a facilitating here in the sense
that reports end up at the correct party and yet
give the reporter a logical natural flow in
creating the report without creating confusion
with different set of contacts.<br>
<br>
Theo<br>
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On 20-2-2017 12:24, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Volker<br>
<br>
From our perspective the frustration is when
the client (registrant) has their details in
whois and / or on the website and the
complainant makes zero attempt to contact
them. The first we hear about the alleged
issues is when I get a 100 page takedown
notice on my desk.<br>
So if they can at least attempt to contact the
website operator then it makes our lives a lot
easier.<br>
As the hosting provider we *should* have
details of how to reach the site owner, but
not always, as we also offer dedicated
servers, colo etc., but we’ll know who the IPs
are assigned to<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Michele<br>
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-- <br>
Mr Michele Neylon<br>
Blacknight Solutions<br>
Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br>
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target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><br>
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target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><br>
Intl. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072"
target="_blank">+353 (0) 59 9183072</a><br>
Direct Dial: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090"
target="_blank">+353 (0)59 9183090</a><br>
Personal blog: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<br>
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland
Company No.: 370845<br>
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On 20/02/2017, 11:21, "Volker Greimann" <<a
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href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Agreed. The question is who is next if
the details are not available. If<br>
it is content, the next port of call
should be the host as the host has<br>
the ability to remove said content and
also bears certain legal<br>
obligations in case of obvious violations
while the registrar does not.<br>
As the registrar may not even know
the actual registrant, for example<br>
for registrations under third party
privacy services, it does not even<br>
make sense to contact the registrar.<br>
Best,<br>
Volker<br>
Am 20.02.2017 um 12:08
schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:<br>
> Volker<br>
><br>
> The key thing is the sequence.<br>
> If the contact’s details are
available either via whois OR on the website
then they’re the first port of call.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> Michele<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Mr Michele Neylon<br>
> Blacknight Solutions<br>
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blacknight.blog/"
target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><br>
> Intl. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072"
target="_blank">+353 (0) 59 9183072</a><br>
> Direct Dial: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090"
target="_blank">+353 (0)59 9183090</a><br>
> Personal blog: <a
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href="https://michele.blog/" target="_blank">https://michele.blog/</a><br>
> Some thoughts: <a
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href="https://ceo.hosting/" target="_blank">https://ceo.hosting/</a><br>
> -------------------------------<br>
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd,
Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<br>
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<br>
><br>
> On 20/02/2017, 10:46, "Volker
Greimann" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Well, the registrant may not be
the right contact in all cases,<br>
> especially if it comes down to
subdomains. But yes, if the registrant is<br>
> known, then he should probably
be contacted right after a known website<br>
> operator. But if the registrant
is unknown, the next contact should be<br>
> the host as he is closer to the
alleged violation than the registrar.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Volker<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Am 20.02.2017 um 11:28 schrieb
Michele Neylon - Blacknight:<br>
> > Volker<br>
> ><br>
> > Really?<br>
> > As a hosting provider I’d
strongly disagree.<br>
> ><br>
> > If you’ve got a problem
with content on a website you should contact
the registrant first.<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards<br>
> ><br>
> > Michele<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Mr Michele Neylon<br>
> > Blacknight Solutions<br>
> > Hosting, Colocation &
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> > On 20/02/2017, 09:54, "<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
on behalf of Volker Greimann" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
on behalf of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > When you say web
site, it should be taken up with the web host
not the<br>
> > registrar as the
registrant is not necessarily the correct
content.<br>
> ><br>
> > Problems with domain
-> registrant<br>
> ><br>
> > Problems with content
-> Web host<br>
> ><br>
> > Best,<br>
> ><br>
> > Volker<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Am 17.02.2017 um
20:49 schrieb Mark Svancarek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
> > > Counter example<br>
> > > "Joe" has a web
site which is used to abuse my trademark. I
can't contact Joe because his thin data is
incorrect or hidden (I don't know that Joe is
actually Joe.). I then contact the
registrar. They follow up with the privacy
proxy service if needed. Hopefully all this
happens quickly and the cease and desist
message is actually delivered.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In actual
practice, there is a noteworthy difference in
effectiveness if we have to go through the
registrar, compared to us contacting
directly. If the registrar isn't responsive,
then I may have to pressure ICANN to enforce
the registrar contract, which has its own
issues.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In either case,
your abuse of my trademark is probably a civil
issue, so starting with law enforcement isn't
a great option, even if they had the
inclination and bandwidth to help out in a
timely fashion.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > -----Original
Message-----<br>
> > > From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a>]<br>
> > > Sent: Friday,
February 17, 2017 9:41 AM<br>
> > > To: Mark
Svancarek <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com"
target="_blank">marksv@microsoft.com</a>><br>
> > > Cc: RDS PDP WG
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
> > > Subject: Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Let us take a
simple example<br>
> > ><br>
> > > A phone number
can you as the one it's registered on choose
by yourself if it shall be published in the
phone book, if you give the number to someone
it's your choice as an individual! If the
police want your number they will get without
to much effort.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > So why on earth
are we forcing registrants to give up this
right to choose to whom they share that info?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Forget what
Whois are as we know it and come up with ideas
how we can make a new system which takes
reasonable interest of all sides here.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The Status Quo
hammering are not productive at all.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > RDS are meant to
make change to the better!<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Sent from my
iPhone<br>
> > ><br>
> > >> On 17 Feb
2017, at 18:28, Mark Svancarek <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com"
target="_blank">marksv@microsoft.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Spam and
DDOS will always be with us, and the need to
mitigate them does not eliminate the need to
have public data. It seems orthogonal to me.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >>
-----Original Message-----<br>
> > >> From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">
gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
> > >> [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
On Behalf Of<br>
> > >> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a><br>
> > >> Sent:
Friday, February 17, 2017 8:25 AM<br>
> > >> To: RDS PDP
WG <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
> > >> Subject: Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Another post
about the problems with public whois<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> How anyone
here can still defend this abuse of info as a
the best system I have serious problems
understanding.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://domainnamewire.com/2017/02/16/control-block-sms-spam-robocallin"
target="_blank">
http://domainnamewire.com/2017/02/16/control-block-sms-spam-robocallin</a><br>
> > >>
g-based-whois-info/<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >> --<br>
> > >> Med vänliga
hälsningar / Kind Regards / Med vennlig hilsen<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Benny
Samuelsen<br>
> > >> Registry
Manager - Domainexpert<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Nordreg AB -
ICANN accredited registrar<br>
> > >> IANA-ID: 638<br>
> > >> Phone: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B46.42197080" target="_blank">+46.42197080</a><br>
> > >> Direct: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B47.32260201" target="_blank">+47.32260201</a><br>
> > >> Mobile: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B47.40410200" target="_blank">+47.40410200</a><br>
> > >><br>
> > >>> On 17
Feb 2017, at 14:55, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Allison<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> As
others have said, if you have an issue please
report it to ICANN,<br>
> > >>> law
enforcement, consumer protection etc., Some of
us take our obligations very seriously and
lumping all registrars and providers into one
big bucket isn't very helpful for constructive
dialogue.<br>
> > >>> We get a
number of whois complaints from ICANN every
year and we investigate each and every one of
them. In some cases it's very obvious that the
details provided are bogus, but in others it's
not and we have to spend time energy and
effort going back and forth with our client
and ICANN to resolve it. Sometimes this leads
to domains being suspended or deleted,
sometimes the whois gets updated, sometimes
the complaint is denied. But each complaint is
handled on its merits.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> We also
have a whois privacy service. It is NOT a fake
address. You can check it in the Irish company
office:<br>
> > >>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://search.cro.ie/company/CompanyDetails.aspx?id=480317&type=C"
target="_blank">
https://search.cro.ie/company/CompanyDetails.aspx?id=480317&type=C</a><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Now you
may not like that people and organisations
choose to obfuscate their contact details via
services like that one, but that's a different
issue entirely. I also personally have
correspondence addresses in the US, mainland
UK and a couple in Northern Ireland. I don't
live at any of them, but you can send me
physical mail and I will get it. You could
argue that the address is "fake", but as I can
get mail to it I'd suspect that in many cases
it'd be considered valid.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Regards<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Michele<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> --<br>
> > >>> Mr
Michele Neylon<br>
> > >>>
Blacknight Solutions<br>
> > >>> Hosting,
Colocation & Domains<br>
> > >>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><br>
> > >>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blacknight.blog/"
target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><br>
> > >>> Intl. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072"
target="_blank">
+353 (0) 59 9183072</a><br>
> > >>> Direct
Dial: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090"
target="_blank">
+353 (0)59 9183090</a><br>
> > >>> Personal
blog: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://michele.blog/" target="_blank">
https://michele.blog/</a><br>
> > >>> Some
thoughts: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ceo.hosting/" target="_blank">
https://ceo.hosting/</a><br>
> > >>>
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> > >>>
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> > >>>
Park,Sleaty<br>
> > >>>
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland
Company No.: 370845<br>
> > >>>
_______________________________________________<br>
> > >>>
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> > >>> <a
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> > >>
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> > >> <a
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