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<p>Volker, Michele, et. al., <br>
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I am suggesting something closer to a plain vanilla "Complainers
Guide to Domain Name/Website Complaints" that lists best practice
starting points. <br>
It could be worked up under the lead of any third party (crowd
sourced input would be my strategy), with an open access/copy left
designation. <br>
<br>
Any interest or engagement by ICANN and its constituencies would be
ad hoc and based on their own self interests in reducing the burden
of handling complaints.<br>
The status quo is a headache for various ICANN business
constituencies (costs, time, headaches), as well as frustrating for
ICANN's NCSG-centric constituencies (abuse, fraud, etc.).<br>
<br>
I only opened this line of thought as an alternative to trying to
"hard bake" ways of dealing with complaints within the structure of
the rds (which is a BAD idea). <br>
The suggestion was prompted by the extended discussion in the
rds-pdp-wg around the problems of how complaints are handled now. <br>
<br>
I propose that we close this discussion for now. <br>
<br>
Sam <br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/24/2017 10:36 AM, Volker Greimann
wrote:<br>
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<p>Which is why everyone seems to want registrar obligations that
force them to do what is actually the hosting providers' job. <br>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.02.2017 um 16:33 schrieb
Michele Neylon - Blacknight:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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providers don’t have a relationship with ICANN . .. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hosting,
Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intl.
+353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Direct
Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Personal
blog: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some
thoughts: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Sam
Lanfranco <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"><sam@lanfranco.net></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 24 February 2017 at 15:25<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a>,
John Horton <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"><john.horton@legitscript.com></a>,
Volker Greimann <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"><vgreimann@key-systems.net></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public
whois<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Michele,<br>
<br>
The current anarchy in complaint strategies involves $costs.
Agreement on something by ICANN, as a general starting point
roadmap for Complaints, should be doable.<br>
Complaints won't go away and some guidance is better than no
guidance (and less costly to registrars by dulling,
deflecting and re-directing initial contact)<br>
<br>
Sam <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/24/2017 9:21 AM, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sam</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That
would involve us all agreeing on $stuff </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">J</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So
I suspect it wouldn’t work</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">M</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hosting,
Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intl.
+353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Direct
Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Personal
blog: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some
thoughts: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Sam
Lanfranco <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net">
<sam@lanfranco.net></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 24 February 2017 at 14:17<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a>,
John Horton <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"><john.horton@legitscript.com></a>,
Volker Greimann <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"><vgreimann@key-systems.net></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of
public whois</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="color:#660000">Michele, et. al.<br>
<br>
I may be way off base here but I am thinking about the
complaints issue from a researcher perspective. <br>
<br>
Would there be any merit to simply having a link in, or
at the bottom of, the public (rds/whois) data that is a
link to a site <br>
(standard by registrar, by country, icann, or whatever)
that has a "howto guide" for going forward with a
complaint?<br>
If that existed it could be added to the "Contact Us",
FAQ, and other link sites.<br>
Available at those points of inquiry it would probably
redirect a lot of traffic away from the registrar. <br>
<br>
It might work at the ICANN level much as the following
that turns up in a whois search: <br>
</span><br>
<span style="color:#660000">>>> Last update of
whois database: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 11:23:29 GMT
<<<<br>
<br>
For more information on Whois status codes, please visit<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-06-16-en">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-06-16-en</a>.<br>
</span><i><span style="color:red">Maybe => For
complaint information please visit <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/domain-name-complaints">https://www.icann.org/domain-name-complaints</a><br>
<br>
</span></i><span style="color:#660000">Sam L. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/24/2017 8:46 AM, Michele Neylon
- Blacknight wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
don’t think anyone was trying to push for “rules”
about how reports should be made.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
know I wasn’t.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’ll
also keep telling people who complain to us about
$stuff to go to our clients first .. since most of the
time they’re the ones they should be dealing with.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hosting,
Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intl.
+353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Direct
Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Personal
blog: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some
thoughts: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">John
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href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com">
<john.horton@legitscript.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 24 February 2017 at 13:40<br>
<b>To: </b>Volker Greimann <a
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href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"><vgreimann@key-systems.net></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>theo geurts <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"><gtheo@xs4all.nl></a>,
Michele Neylon <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">
"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a> <a
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href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of
public whois</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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level1 lfo3"> <span
style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">I like
Volker's idea of including hosting details in
the ultimate RDS. It's additional information,
which may be useful to the viewer. From a
concrete use-case perspective, when I or one of
my analysts is evaluating whether a merchant
should be boarded with a bank or rejected based
on risk, it's certainly one of the details we
look it. (I'm not sure it's technically
"registration data," but not sure if that
matters.)</span> <o:p></o:p></li>
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level1 lfo3"> <span
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to using the RDS (or this group) to establish
chains or a hierarchy of responsibility as being
outside of our scope and mandate. (Chuck, maybe
we can get a ruling on that?) I realize that
there are members of this group who believe that
a complainant should always go to the registrant
first, then the host, and only the registrar as
a last resort (some believe never). But that's
not how everyone feels. Others believe it should
be the payment processor first. Still others
believe the registrar should be the first point
of contact for a complaint. Still others believe
there is no hierarchy and it's a case-by-case
solution and all facilitators are equally valid
points of contact. My point is not to get into
an argument about who is right there (I and I'm
sure many others don't have the time, and many
of us have discussed this elsewhere); I simply
don't think we should be using this group to try
and resolve that particular issue, or impose
some sort of a structure on internet users,
because I think it's probably outside the scope
of our mandate (and I will strongly note that I
don't think there's consensus on that issue).</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">Chuck,
if I'm wrong and it's inside the scope of our
mandate to use the RDS to establish a structure
about who a complainant should approach first,
second, third, fourth, etc. let us know, but if
it's in scope, that's going to be a somewhat
different discussion. Again, my objective here
isn't to launch another 100-email debate about
who is right or wrong; my objective is to argue
that a) the idea of including hosting
information in the RDS seems like a pretty
reasonable one, but b) doing that in order to
impose rules on internet users on what complaint
hierarchy they should follow is out of scope for
our mandate. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 4:35
AM, Volker Greimann <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So should we maybe include
hosting details in the ultimate RDS? These would
have to be supplied differently, but it would
make sense if we want to establish chains of
responsibility in the data. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
Am 20.02.2017 um 14:20 schrieb theo geurts:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good point Michele,<br>
<br>
RDS should be a facilitating here in the
sense that reports end up at the correct
party and yet give the reporter a logical
natural flow in creating the report
without creating confusion with different
set of contacts.<br>
<br>
Theo<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20-2-2017 12:24, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Volker<br>
<br>
From our perspective the frustration is
when the client (registrant) has their
details in whois and / or on the website
and the complainant makes zero attempt
to contact them. The first we hear about
the alleged issues is when I get a 100
page takedown notice on my desk.<br>
So if they can at least attempt to
contact the website operator then it
makes our lives a lot easier.<br>
As the hosting provider we *should* have
details of how to reach the site owner,
but not always, as we also offer
dedicated servers, colo etc., but we’ll
know who the IPs are assigned to<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Michele<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Mr Michele Neylon<br>
Blacknight Solutions<br>
Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blacknight.blog/"
target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><br>
Intl. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072"
target="_blank">+353 (0) 59 9183072</a><br>
Direct Dial: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090" target="_blank">+353 (0)59
9183090</a><br>
Personal blog: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://michele.blog/"
target="_blank">https://michele.blog/</a><br>
Some thoughts: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ceo.hosting/"
target="_blank">https://ceo.hosting/</a><br>
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Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<br>
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<br>
<br>
On 20/02/2017, 11:21, "Volker Greimann"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
Agreed. The question is who is next
if the details are not available. If<br>
it is content, the next port of
call should be the host as the host has<br>
the ability to remove said content
and also bears certain legal<br>
obligations in case of obvious
violations while the registrar does not.<br>
As the registrar may not even
know the actual registrant, for example<br>
for registrations under third party
privacy services, it does not even<br>
make sense to contact the
registrar.<br>
Best,<br>
Volker<br>
Am 20.02.2017 um
12:08 schrieb Michele Neylon -
Blacknight:<br>
> Volker<br>
><br>
> The key thing is the sequence.<br>
> If the contact’s details are
available either via whois OR on the
website then they’re the first port of
call.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> Michele<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Mr Michele Neylon<br>
> Blacknight Solutions<br>
> Hosting, Colocation &
Domains<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blacknight.blog/"
target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><br>
> Intl. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072"
target="_blank">+353 (0) 59 9183072</a><br>
> Direct Dial: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090"
target="_blank">+353 (0)59 9183090</a><br>
> Personal blog: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://michele.blog/"
target="_blank">https://michele.blog/</a><br>
> Some thoughts: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ceo.hosting/"
target="_blank">https://ceo.hosting/</a><br>
>
-------------------------------<br>
> Blacknight Internet Solutions
Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
Park,Sleaty<br>
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<br>
><br>
> On 20/02/2017, 10:46, "Volker
Greimann" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Well, the registrant may
not be the right contact in all cases,<br>
> especially if it comes
down to subdomains. But yes, if the
registrant is<br>
> known, then he should
probably be contacted right after a
known website<br>
> operator. But if the
registrant is unknown, the next contact
should be<br>
> the host as he is closer
to the alleged violation than the
registrar.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Volker<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Am 20.02.2017 um 11:28
schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:<br>
> > Volker<br>
> ><br>
> > Really?<br>
> > As a hosting
provider I’d strongly disagree.<br>
> ><br>
> > If you’ve got a
problem with content on a website you
should contact the registrant first.<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards<br>
> ><br>
> > Michele<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Mr Michele Neylon<br>
> > Blacknight Solutions<br>
> > Hosting, Colocation
& Domains<br>
> > <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><br>
> > <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blacknight.blog/"
target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><br>
> > Intl. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072"
target="_blank"> +353 (0) 59 9183072</a><br>
> > Direct Dial: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090"
target="_blank"> +353 (0)59 9183090</a><br>
> > Personal blog: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://michele.blog/"
target="_blank">https://michele.blog/</a><br>
> > Some thoughts: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ceo.hosting/"
target="_blank">https://ceo.hosting/</a><br>
> >
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> > Blacknight Internet
Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
Business Park,Sleaty<br>
> >
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<br>
> ><br>
> > On 20/02/2017,
09:54, "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
on behalf of Volker Greimann" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
on behalf of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > When you say
web site, it should be taken up with the
web host not the<br>
> > registrar as
the registrant is not necessarily the
correct content.<br>
> ><br>
> > Problems with
domain -> registrant<br>
> ><br>
> > Problems with
content -> Web host<br>
> ><br>
> > Best,<br>
> ><br>
> > Volker<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Am 17.02.2017
um 20:49 schrieb Mark Svancarek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
> > > Counter
example<br>
> > > "Joe" has
a web site which is used to abuse my
trademark. I can't contact Joe because
his thin data is incorrect or hidden (I
don't know that Joe is actually Joe.).
I then contact the registrar. They
follow up with the privacy proxy service
if needed. Hopefully all this happens
quickly and the cease and desist message
is actually delivered.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In actual
practice, there is a noteworthy
difference in effectiveness if we have
to go through the registrar, compared to
us contacting directly. If the
registrar isn't responsive, then I may
have to pressure ICANN to enforce the
registrar contract, which has its own
issues.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In either
case, your abuse of my trademark is
probably a civil issue, so starting with
law enforcement isn't a great option,
even if they had the inclination and
bandwidth to help out in a timely
fashion.<br>
> > ><br>
> > >
-----Original Message-----<br>
> > > From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a>]<br>
> > > Sent:
Friday, February 17, 2017 9:41 AM<br>
> > > To: Mark
Svancarek <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com"
target="_blank">marksv@microsoft.com</a>><br>
> > > Cc: RDS
PDP WG <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
> > > Subject:
Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public
whois<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Let us
take a simple example<br>
> > ><br>
> > > A phone
number can you as the one it's
registered on choose by yourself if it
shall be published in the phone book, if
you give the number to someone it's your
choice as an individual! If the police
want your number they will get without
to much effort.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > So why on
earth are we forcing registrants to give
up this right to choose to whom they
share that info?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Forget
what Whois are as we know it and come up
with ideas how we can make a new system
which takes reasonable interest of all
sides here.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The Status
Quo hammering are not productive at all.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > RDS are
meant to make change to the better!<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Sent from
my iPhone<br>
> > ><br>
> > >> On 17
Feb 2017, at 18:28, Mark Svancarek <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com"
target="_blank">marksv@microsoft.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Spam
and DDOS will always be with us, and the
need to mitigate them does not eliminate
the need to have public data. It seems
orthogonal to me.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >>
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> > >> From:
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> > >> <a
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href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
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> > >> Sent:
Friday, February 17, 2017 8:25 AM<br>
> > >> To:
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> > >>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers
of public whois<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>
Another post about the problems with
public whois<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> How
anyone here can still defend this abuse
of info as a the best system I have
serious problems understanding.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> <a
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href="http://domainnamewire.com/2017/02/16/control-block-sms-spam-robocallin"
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http://domainnamewire.com/2017/02/16/control-block-sms-spam-robocallin</a><br>
> > >>
g-based-whois-info/<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >> --<br>
> > >> Med
vänliga hälsningar / Kind Regards / Med
vennlig hilsen<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Benny
Samuelsen<br>
> > >>
Registry Manager - Domainexpert<br>
> > >><br>
> > >>
Nordreg AB - ICANN accredited registrar<br>
> > >>
IANA-ID: 638<br>
> > >> Phone:
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> > >>
Direct: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> > >>> On
17 Feb 2017, at 14:55, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>
Allison<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> As
others have said, if you have an issue
please report it to ICANN,<br>
> > >>>
law enforcement, consumer protection
etc., Some of us take our obligations
very seriously and lumping all
registrars and providers into one big
bucket isn't very helpful for
constructive dialogue.<br>
> > >>> We
get a number of whois complaints from
ICANN every year and we investigate each
and every one of them. In some cases
it's very obvious that the details
provided are bogus, but in others it's
not and we have to spend time energy and
effort going back and forth with our
client and ICANN to resolve it.
Sometimes this leads to domains being
suspended or deleted, sometimes the
whois gets updated, sometimes the
complaint is denied. But each complaint
is handled on its merits.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> We
also have a whois privacy service. It is
NOT a fake address. You can check it in
the Irish company office:<br>
> > >>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://search.cro.ie/company/CompanyDetails.aspx?id=480317&type=C"
target="_blank">
https://search.cro.ie/company/CompanyDetails.aspx?id=480317&type=C</a><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>
Now you may not like that people and
organisations choose to obfuscate their
contact details via services like that
one, but that's a different issue
entirely. I also personally have
correspondence addresses in the US,
mainland UK and a couple in Northern
Ireland. I don't live at any of them,
but you can send me physical mail and I
will get it. You could argue that the
address is "fake", but as I can get mail
to it I'd suspect that in many cases
it'd be considered valid.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>
Regards<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>
Michele<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> --<br>
> > >>> Mr
Michele Neylon<br>
> > >>>
Blacknight Solutions<br>
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> > >>> <a
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Direct Dial: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> > >>>
Personal blog: <a
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Some thoughts: <a
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<pre>"It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>in an unjust state" -Confucius<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <span style="font-family:Calibri">邦有道，</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">贫</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">且</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">贱</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">焉，耻也。邦无道，富且</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">贵</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">焉，耻也</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Lanfran@Yorku.ca">Lanfran@Yorku.ca</a> Skype: slanfranco<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>blog: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com">https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>in an unjust state" -Confucius<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <span style="font-family:Calibri">邦有道，</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">贫</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">且</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">贱</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">焉，耻也。邦无道，富且</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">贵</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">焉，耻也</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Lanfran@Yorku.ca">Lanfran@Yorku.ca</a> Skype: slanfranco<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>blog: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com">https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852<o:p></o:p></pre>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
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Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
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"It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured
in an unjust state" -Confucius
邦有道，贫且贱焉，耻也。邦无道，富且贵焉，耻也
------------------------------------------------
Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)
Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3
email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Lanfran@Yorku.ca">Lanfran@Yorku.ca</a> Skype: slanfranco
blog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com">https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com</a>
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