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Michele,<br>
<br>
The current anarchy in complaint strategies involves $costs.
Agreement on something by ICANN, as a general starting point roadmap
for Complaints, should be doable.<br>
Complaints won't go away and some guidance is better than no
guidance (and less costly to registrars by dulling, deflecting and
re-directing initial contact)<br>
<br>
Sam <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/24/2017 9:21 AM, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sam<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That
would involve us all agreeing on $stuff
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">J</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So
I suspect it wouldn’t work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">M<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hosting,
Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intl.
+353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Direct
Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Personal
blog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some
thoughts: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Sam
Lanfranco <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"><sam@lanfranco.net></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 24 February 2017 at 14:17<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a>,
John Horton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"><john.horton@legitscript.com></a>, Volker
Greimann <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"><vgreimann@key-systems.net></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public
whois<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="color:#660000">Michele, et. al.<br>
<br>
I may be way off base here but I am thinking about the
complaints issue from a researcher perspective.
<br>
<br>
Would there be any merit to simply having a link in, or at
the bottom of, the public (rds/whois) data that is a link to
a site
<br>
(standard by registrar, by country, icann, or whatever) that
has a "howto guide" for going forward with a complaint?<br>
If that existed it could be added to the "Contact Us", FAQ,
and other link sites.<br>
Available at those points of inquiry it would probably
redirect a lot of traffic away from the registrar.
<br>
<br>
It might work at the ICANN level much as the following that
turns up in a whois search:
<br>
</span><br>
<span style="color:#660000">>>> Last update of whois
database: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 11:23:29 GMT <<<<br>
<br>
For more information on Whois status codes, please visit<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-06-16-en">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-06-16-en</a>.<br>
</span><i><span style="color:red">Maybe => For complaint
information please visit
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/domain-name-complaints">https://www.icann.org/domain-name-complaints</a><br>
<br>
</span></i><span style="color:#660000">Sam L. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/24/2017 8:46 AM, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
don’t think anyone was trying to push for “rules” about
how reports should be made.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
know I wasn’t.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’ll
also keep telling people who complain to us about $stuff
to go to our clients first .. since most of the time
they’re the ones they should be dealing with.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hosting,
Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intl.
+353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Direct
Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Personal
blog:
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some
thoughts:
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">John
Horton <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com">
<john.horton@legitscript.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 24 February 2017 at 13:40<br>
<b>To: </b>Volker Greimann <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"><vgreimann@key-systems.net></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>theo geurts <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"><gtheo@xs4all.nl></a>,
Michele Neylon
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">
"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public
whois</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">Let me provide
a few comments on that. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">I like
Volker's idea of including hosting details in the
ultimate RDS. It's additional information, which may
be useful to the viewer. From a concrete use-case
perspective, when I or one of my analysts is
evaluating whether a merchant should be boarded with
a bank or rejected based on risk, it's certainly one
of the details we look it. (I'm not sure it's
technically "registration data," but not sure if
that matters.)</span>
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<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">I object
to using the RDS (or this group) to establish chains
or a hierarchy of responsibility as being outside of
our scope and mandate. (Chuck, maybe we can get a
ruling on that?) I realize that there are members of
this group who believe that a complainant should
always go to the registrant first, then the host,
and only the registrar as a last resort (some
believe never). But that's not how everyone feels.
Others believe it should be the payment processor
first. Still others believe the registrar should be
the first point of contact for a complaint. Still
others believe there is no hierarchy and it's a
case-by-case solution and all facilitators are
equally valid points of contact. My point is not to
get into an argument about who is right there (I and
I'm sure many others don't have the time, and many
of us have discussed this elsewhere); I simply don't
think we should be using this group to try and
resolve that particular issue, or impose some sort
of a structure on internet users, because I think
it's probably outside the scope of our mandate (and
I will strongly note that I don't think there's
consensus on that issue).</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">Chuck, if
I'm wrong and it's inside the scope of our mandate
to use the RDS to establish a structure about who a
complainant should approach first, second, third,
fourth, etc. let us know, but if it's in scope,
that's going to be a somewhat different discussion.
Again, my objective here isn't to launch another
100-email debate about who is right or wrong; my
objective is to argue that a) the idea of including
hosting information in the RDS seems like a pretty
reasonable one, but b) doing that in order to impose
rules on internet users on what complaint hierarchy
they should follow is out of scope for our mandate. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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LegitScript</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 4:35 AM,
Volker Greimann <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal">So should we maybe include
hosting details in the ultimate RDS? These would
have to be supplied differently, but it would make
sense if we want to establish chains of
responsibility in the data.
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Am 20.02.2017 um 14:20 schrieb theo geurts:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good point Michele,<br>
<br>
RDS should be a facilitating here in the sense
that reports end up at the correct party and
yet give the reporter a logical natural flow
in creating the report without creating
confusion with different set of contacts.<br>
<br>
Theo<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20-2-2017 12:24, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Volker<br>
<br>
From our perspective the frustration is
when the client (registrant) has their
details in whois and / or on the website and
the complainant makes zero attempt to
contact them. The first we hear about the
alleged issues is when I get a 100 page
takedown notice on my desk.<br>
So if they can at least attempt to contact
the website operator then it makes our lives
a lot easier.<br>
As the hosting provider we *should* have
details of how to reach the site owner, but
not always, as we also offer dedicated
servers, colo etc., but we’ll know who the
IPs are assigned to<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Michele<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Mr Michele Neylon<br>
Blacknight Solutions<br>
Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blacknight.blog/"
target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><br>
Intl. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072"
target="_blank">+353 (0) 59 9183072</a><br>
Direct Dial: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090"
target="_blank">+353 (0)59 9183090</a><br>
Personal blog: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://michele.blog/"
target="_blank">https://michele.blog/</a><br>
Some thoughts: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ceo.hosting/"
target="_blank">https://ceo.hosting/</a><br>
-------------------------------<br>
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<br>
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland
Company No.: 370845<br>
<br>
On 20/02/2017, 11:21, "Volker Greimann" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
Agreed. The question is who is next if
the details are not available. If<br>
it is content, the next port of call
should be the host as the host has<br>
the ability to remove said content and
also bears certain legal<br>
obligations in case of obvious
violations while the registrar does not.<br>
As the registrar may not even know
the actual registrant, for example<br>
for registrations under third party
privacy services, it does not even<br>
make sense to contact the registrar.<br>
Best,<br>
Volker<br>
Am 20.02.2017 um 12:08
schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:<br>
> Volker<br>
><br>
> The key thing is the sequence.<br>
> If the contact’s details are
available either via whois OR on the website
then they’re the first port of call.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> Michele<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Mr Michele Neylon<br>
> Blacknight Solutions<br>
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blacknight.blog/"
target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><br>
> Intl. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072"
target="_blank">+353 (0) 59 9183072</a><br>
> Direct Dial: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090"
target="_blank">+353 (0)59 9183090</a><br>
> Personal blog: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://michele.blog/"
target="_blank">https://michele.blog/</a><br>
> Some thoughts: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ceo.hosting/"
target="_blank">https://ceo.hosting/</a><br>
> -------------------------------<br>
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd,
Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<br>
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<br>
><br>
> On 20/02/2017, 10:46, "Volker
Greimann" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Well, the registrant may not
be the right contact in all cases,<br>
> especially if it comes down
to subdomains. But yes, if the registrant is<br>
> known, then he should
probably be contacted right after a known
website<br>
> operator. But if the
registrant is unknown, the next contact
should be<br>
> the host as he is closer to
the alleged violation than the registrar.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Volker<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Am 20.02.2017 um 11:28
schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:<br>
> > Volker<br>
> ><br>
> > Really?<br>
> > As a hosting provider
I’d strongly disagree.<br>
> ><br>
> > If you’ve got a problem
with content on a website you should contact
the registrant first.<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards<br>
> ><br>
> > Michele<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Mr Michele Neylon<br>
> > Blacknight Solutions<br>
> > Hosting, Colocation
& Domains<br>
> > <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><br>
> > <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blacknight.blog/"
target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><br>
> > Intl. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072"
target="_blank">
+353 (0) 59 9183072</a><br>
> > Direct Dial: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090"
target="_blank">
+353 (0)59 9183090</a><br>
> > Personal blog: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://michele.blog/"
target="_blank">https://michele.blog/</a><br>
> > Some thoughts: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ceo.hosting/"
target="_blank">https://ceo.hosting/</a><br>
> >
-------------------------------<br>
> > Blacknight Internet
Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
Park,Sleaty<br>
> >
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland
Company No.: 370845<br>
> ><br>
> > On 20/02/2017, 09:54, "<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
on behalf of Volker Greimann" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
on behalf of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > When you say web
site, it should be taken up with the web
host not the<br>
> > registrar as the
registrant is not necessarily the correct
content.<br>
> ><br>
> > Problems with
domain -> registrant<br>
> ><br>
> > Problems with
content -> Web host<br>
> ><br>
> > Best,<br>
> ><br>
> > Volker<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Am 17.02.2017 um
20:49 schrieb Mark Svancarek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
> > > Counter
example<br>
> > > "Joe" has a
web site which is used to abuse my
trademark. I can't contact Joe because his
thin data is incorrect or hidden (I don't
know that Joe is actually Joe.). I then
contact the registrar. They follow up with
the privacy proxy service if needed.
Hopefully all this happens quickly and the
cease and desist message is actually
delivered.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In actual
practice, there is a noteworthy difference
in effectiveness if we have to go through
the registrar, compared to us contacting
directly. If the registrar isn't
responsive, then I may have to pressure
ICANN to enforce the registrar contract,
which has its own issues.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In either
case, your abuse of my trademark is probably
a civil issue, so starting with law
enforcement isn't a great option, even if
they had the inclination and bandwidth to
help out in a timely fashion.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > -----Original
Message-----<br>
> > > From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a>]<br>
> > > Sent: Friday,
February 17, 2017 9:41 AM<br>
> > > To: Mark
Svancarek <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com"
target="_blank">marksv@microsoft.com</a>><br>
> > > Cc: RDS PDP WG
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
> > > Subject: Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Let us take a
simple example<br>
> > ><br>
> > > A phone number
can you as the one it's registered on choose
by yourself if it shall be published in the
phone book, if you give the number to
someone it's your choice as an individual!
If the police want your number they will get
without to much effort.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > So why on
earth are we forcing registrants to give up
this right to choose to whom they share that
info?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Forget what
Whois are as we know it and come up with
ideas how we can make a new system which
takes reasonable interest of all sides here.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The Status Quo
hammering are not productive at all.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > RDS are meant
to make change to the better!<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Sent from my
iPhone<br>
> > ><br>
> > >> On 17 Feb
2017, at 18:28, Mark Svancarek <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com"
target="_blank">marksv@microsoft.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Spam and
DDOS will always be with us, and the need to
mitigate them does not eliminate the need to
have public data. It seems orthogonal to
me.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >>
-----Original Message-----<br>
> > >> From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">
gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
> > >> [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
On Behalf Of<br>
> > >> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a><br>
> > >> Sent:
Friday, February 17, 2017 8:25 AM<br>
> > >> To: RDS
PDP WG <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
> > >> Subject:
Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public
whois<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Another
post about the problems with public whois<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> How anyone
here can still defend this abuse of info as
a the best system I have serious problems
understanding.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://domainnamewire.com/2017/02/16/control-block-sms-spam-robocallin"
target="_blank">
http://domainnamewire.com/2017/02/16/control-block-sms-spam-robocallin</a><br>
> > >>
g-based-whois-info/<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >> --<br>
> > >> Med
vänliga hälsningar / Kind Regards / Med
vennlig hilsen<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Benny
Samuelsen<br>
> > >> Registry
Manager - Domainexpert<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Nordreg AB
- ICANN accredited registrar<br>
> > >> IANA-ID:
638<br>
> > >> Phone: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B46.42197080" target="_blank">+46.42197080</a><br>
> > >> Direct: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B47.32260201" target="_blank">+47.32260201</a><br>
> > >> Mobile: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B47.40410200" target="_blank">+47.40410200</a><br>
> > >><br>
> > >>> On 17
Feb 2017, at 14:55, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>
Allison<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> As
others have said, if you have an issue
please report it to ICANN,<br>
> > >>> law
enforcement, consumer protection etc., Some
of us take our obligations very seriously
and lumping all registrars and providers
into one big bucket isn't very helpful for
constructive dialogue.<br>
> > >>> We get
a number of whois complaints from ICANN
every year and we investigate each and every
one of them. In some cases it's very obvious
that the details provided are bogus, but in
others it's not and we have to spend time
energy and effort going back and forth with
our client and ICANN to resolve it.
Sometimes this leads to domains being
suspended or deleted, sometimes the whois
gets updated, sometimes the complaint is
denied. But each complaint is handled on its
merits.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> We
also have a whois privacy service. It is NOT
a fake address. You can check it in the
Irish company office:<br>
> > >>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://search.cro.ie/company/CompanyDetails.aspx?id=480317&type=C"
target="_blank">
https://search.cro.ie/company/CompanyDetails.aspx?id=480317&type=C</a><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Now
you may not like that people and
organisations choose to obfuscate their
contact details via services like that one,
but that's a different issue entirely. I
also personally have correspondence
addresses in the US, mainland UK and a
couple in Northern Ireland. I don't live at
any of them, but you can send me physical
mail and I will get it. You could argue that
the address is "fake", but as I can get mail
to it I'd suspect that in many cases it'd be
considered valid.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>
Regards<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>>
Michele<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> --<br>
> > >>> Mr
Michele Neylon<br>
> > >>>
Blacknight Solutions<br>
> > >>>
Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br>
> > >>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><br>
> > >>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blacknight.blog/"
target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><br>
> > >>> Intl.
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072"
target="_blank">
+353 (0) 59 9183072</a><br>
> > >>> Direct
Dial: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090"
target="_blank">
+353 (0)59 9183090</a><br>
> > >>>
Personal blog: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://michele.blog/"
target="_blank">
https://michele.blog/</a><br>
> > >>> Some
thoughts: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ceo.hosting/"
target="_blank">
https://ceo.hosting/</a><br>
> > >>>
-------------------------------<br>
> > >>>
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
12A,Barrowside Business<br>
> > >>>
Park,Sleaty<br>
> > >>>
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland
Company No.: 370845<br>
> > >>>
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> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Bei weiteren Fragen
stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.<br>
> ><br>
> > Mit freundlichen
Grüßen,<br>
> ><br>
> > Volker A. Greimann<br>
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> Im Oberen Werk 1<br>
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Im Oberen Werk 1<br>
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target="_blank">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><br>
CEO: Alexander Siffrin<br>
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<br>
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<br>
<br>
Volker A. Greimann<br>
- Rechtsabteilung -<br>
<br>
Key-Systems GmbH<br>
Im Oberen Werk 1<br>
66386 St. Ingbert<br>
Tel.: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><br>
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<br>
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken<br>
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534<br>
<br>
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Best regards,<br>
<br>
Volker A. Greimann<br>
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<br>
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Im Oberen Werk 1<br>
66386 St. Ingbert<br>
Tel.: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><br>
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin<br>
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V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534<br>
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<pre>"It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>in an unjust state" -Confucius<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <span style="font-family:Calibri">邦有道，</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">贫</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">且</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">贱</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">焉，耻也。邦无道，富且</span><span style="font-family:SimSun">贵</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">焉，耻也</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Lanfran@Yorku.ca">Lanfran@Yorku.ca</a> Skype: slanfranco<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>blog: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com">https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852<o:p></o:p></pre>
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"It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured
in an unjust state" -Confucius
邦有道，贫且贱焉，耻也。邦无道，富且贵焉，耻也
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Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)
Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3
email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Lanfran@Yorku.ca">Lanfran@Yorku.ca</a> Skype: slanfranco
blog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com">https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com</a>
Phone: +1 613-476-0429 cell: +1 416-816-2852</pre>
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