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<p>John, not suggesting we bake such rules into our work product,
but it still may be helpful to have a set of recommendations that
recommends where a complainant should turn first, second, etc. in
order to get the best and fastest result. <br>
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<p>BTW, I notice that you forgot to include your affiliation with
WHIBSE in your published statement of interest. As that company
seems to rely on whois data for its product I think it is relevant
to mention that.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.02.2017 um 14:40 schrieb John
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<li style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#444444">I like Volker's idea of including
hosting details in the ultimate RDS. It's additional
information, which may be useful to the viewer. From a
concrete use-case perspective, when I or one of my
analysts is evaluating whether a merchant should be
boarded with a bank or rejected based on risk, it's
certainly one of the details we look it. (I'm not sure
it's technically "registration data," but not sure if
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color="#444444">I object to using the RDS (or this
group) to establish chains or a hierarchy of
responsibility as being outside of our scope and
mandate. (Chuck, maybe we can get a ruling on that?) I
realize that there are members of this group who believe
that a complainant should always go to the registrant
first, then the host, and only the registrar as a last
resort (some believe never). But that's not how everyone
feels. Others believe it should be the payment processor
first. Still others believe the registrar should be the
first point of contact for a complaint. Still others
believe there is no hierarchy and it's a case-by-case
solution and all facilitators are equally valid points
of contact. My point is not to get into an argument
about who is right there (I and I'm sure many others
don't have the time, and many of us have discussed this
elsewhere); I simply don't think we should be using this
group to try and resolve that particular issue, or
impose some sort of a structure on internet users,
because I think it's probably outside the scope of our
mandate (and I will strongly note that I don't think
there's consensus on that issue).</font></li>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#444444">Chuck,
if I'm wrong and it's inside the scope of our mandate to
use the RDS to establish a structure about who a
complainant should approach first, second, third, fourth,
etc. let us know, but if it's in scope, that's going to be
a somewhat different discussion. Again, my objective here
isn't to launch another 100-email debate about who is
right or wrong; my objective is to argue that a) the idea
of including hosting information in the RDS seems like a
pretty reasonable one, but b) doing that in order to
impose rules on internet users on what complaint hierarchy
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 4:35 AM,
Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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should we maybe include hosting details in the ultimate
RDS? These would have to be supplied differently, but it
would make sense if we want to establish chains of
responsibility in the data.
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Am 20.02.2017 um 14:20 schrieb theo geurts:<br>
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Good point Michele,<br>
<br>
RDS should be a facilitating here in the sense that
reports end up at the correct party and yet give the
reporter a logical natural flow in creating the
report without creating confusion with different set
of contacts.<br>
<br>
Theo<br>
<br>
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On 20-2-2017 12:24, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
wrote:<br>
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Volker<br>
<br>
From our perspective the frustration is when the
client (registrant) has their details in whois and
/ or on the website and the complainant makes zero
attempt to contact them. The first we hear about
the alleged issues is when I get a 100 page
takedown notice on my desk.<br>
So if they can at least attempt to contact the
website operator then it makes our lives a lot
easier.<br>
As the hosting provider we *should* have details
of how to reach the site owner, but not always, as
we also offer dedicated servers, colo etc., but
we’ll know who the IPs are assigned to<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Michele<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Mr Michele Neylon<br>
Blacknight Solutions<br>
Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br>
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Intl. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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59 9183072</a><br>
Direct Dial: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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------------------------------<wbr>-<br>
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Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland
Company No.: 370845<br>
<br>
On 20/02/2017, 11:21, "Volker Greimann" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
Agreed. The question is who is next if the
details are not available. If<br>
it is content, the next port of call should
be the host as the host has<br>
the ability to remove said content and also
bears certain legal<br>
obligations in case of obvious violations
while the registrar does not.<br>
As the registrar may not even know the
actual registrant, for example<br>
for registrations under third party privacy
services, it does not even<br>
make sense to contact the registrar.<br>
Best,<br>
Volker<br>
Am 20.02.2017 um 12:08 schrieb
Michele Neylon - Blacknight:<br>
> Volker<br>
><br>
> The key thing is the sequence.<br>
> If the contact’s details are available
either via whois OR on the website then they’re
the first port of call.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> Michele<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Mr Michele Neylon<br>
> Blacknight Solutions<br>
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><br>
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target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><br>
> Intl. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072"
value="+353599183072" target="_blank">+353 (0)
59 9183072</a><br>
> Direct Dial: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090"
value="+353599183090" target="_blank">+353 (0)59
9183090</a><br>
> Personal blog: <a
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href="https://michele.blog/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://michele.blog/</a><br>
> Some thoughts: <a
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href="https://ceo.hosting/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://ceo.hosting/</a><br>
> ------------------------------<wbr>-<br>
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<br>
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<br>
><br>
> On 20/02/2017, 10:46, "Volker Greimann"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Well, the registrant may not be the
right contact in all cases,<br>
> especially if it comes down to
subdomains. But yes, if the registrant is<br>
> known, then he should probably be
contacted right after a known website<br>
> operator. But if the registrant is
unknown, the next contact should be<br>
> the host as he is closer to the
alleged violation than the registrar.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Volker<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Am 20.02.2017 um 11:28 schrieb
Michele Neylon - Blacknight:<br>
> > Volker<br>
> ><br>
> > Really?<br>
> > As a hosting provider I’d
strongly disagree.<br>
> ><br>
> > If you’ve got a problem with
content on a website you should contact the
registrant first.<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards<br>
> ><br>
> > Michele<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Mr Michele Neylon<br>
> > Blacknight Solutions<br>
> > Hosting, Colocation &
Domains<br>
> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><br>
> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blacknight.blog/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><br>
> > Intl. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072"
value="+353599183072" target="_blank">+353 (0)
59 9183072</a><br>
> > Direct Dial: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090"
value="+353599183090" target="_blank">+353 (0)59
9183090</a><br>
> > Personal blog: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://michele.blog/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://michele.blog/</a><br>
> > Some thoughts: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ceo.hosting/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://ceo.hosting/</a><br>
> > ------------------------------<wbr>-<br>
> > Blacknight Internet Solutions
Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<br>
> > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845<br>
> ><br>
> > On 20/02/2017, 09:54, "<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</a>
on behalf of Volker Greimann" <<a
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href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</a>
on behalf of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > When you say web site, it
should be taken up with the web host not the<br>
> > registrar as the
registrant is not necessarily the correct content.<br>
> ><br>
> > Problems with domain
-> registrant<br>
> ><br>
> > Problems with content
-> Web host<br>
> ><br>
> > Best,<br>
> ><br>
> > Volker<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Am 17.02.2017 um 20:49
schrieb Mark Svancarek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
> > > Counter example<br>
> > > "Joe" has a web
site which is used to abuse my trademark. I can't
contact Joe because his thin data is incorrect or
hidden (I don't know that Joe is actually Joe.).
I then contact the registrar. They follow up with
the privacy proxy service if needed. Hopefully
all this happens quickly and the cease and desist
message is actually delivered.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In actual practice,
there is a noteworthy difference in effectiveness
if we have to go through the registrar, compared
to us contacting directly. If the registrar isn't
responsive, then I may have to pressure ICANN to
enforce the registrar contract, which has its own
issues.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In either case, your
abuse of my trademark is probably a civil issue,
so starting with law enforcement isn't a great
option, even if they had the inclination and
bandwidth to help out in a timely fashion.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > -----Original
Message-----<br>
> > > From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a>]<br>
> > > Sent: Friday,
February 17, 2017 9:41 AM<br>
> > > To: Mark Svancarek
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com"
target="_blank">marksv@microsoft.com</a>><br>
> > > Cc: RDS PDP WG <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
> > > Subject: Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Let us take a simple
example<br>
> > ><br>
> > > A phone number can
you as the one it's registered on choose by
yourself if it shall be published in the phone
book, if you give the number to someone it's your
choice as an individual! If the police want your
number they will get without to much effort.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > So why on earth are
we forcing registrants to give up this right to
choose to whom they share that info?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Forget what Whois
are as we know it and come up with ideas how we
can make a new system which takes reasonable
interest of all sides here.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The Status Quo
hammering are not productive at all.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > RDS are meant to
make change to the better!<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Sent from my iPhone<br>
> > ><br>
> > >> On 17 Feb 2017,
at 18:28, Mark Svancarek <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com"
target="_blank">marksv@microsoft.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Spam and DDOS
will always be with us, and the need to mitigate
them does not eliminate the need to have public
data. It seems orthogonal to me.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >> -----Original
Message-----<br>
> > >> From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a><br>
> > >> [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</a>]
On Behalf Of<br>
> > >> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a><br>
> > >> Sent: Friday,
February 17, 2017 8:25 AM<br>
> > >> To: RDS PDP WG
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
> > >> Subject: Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Another post
about the problems with public whois<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> How anyone here
can still defend this abuse of info as a the best
system I have serious problems understanding.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> <a
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href="http://domainnamewire.com/2017/02/16/control-block-sms-spam-robocallin"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://domainnamewire.com/2017<wbr>/02/16/control-block-sms-spam-<wbr>robocallin</a><br>
> > >>
g-based-whois-info/<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >> --<br>
> > >> Med vänliga
hälsningar / Kind Regards / Med vennlig hilsen<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Benny Samuelsen<br>
> > >> Registry Manager
- Domainexpert<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Nordreg AB -
ICANN accredited registrar<br>
> > >> IANA-ID: 638<br>
> > >> Phone: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B46.42197080"
value="+4642197080" target="_blank">+46.42197080</a><br>
> > >> Direct: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B47.32260201"
value="+4732260201" target="_blank">+47.32260201</a><br>
> > >> Mobile: <a
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value="+4740410200" target="_blank">+47.40410200</a><br>
> > >><br>
> > >>> On 17 Feb
2017, at 14:55, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Allison<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> As others
have said, if you have an issue please report it
to ICANN,<br>
> > >>> law
enforcement, consumer protection etc., Some of us
take our obligations very seriously and lumping
all registrars and providers into one big bucket
isn't very helpful for constructive dialogue.<br>
> > >>> We get a
number of whois complaints from ICANN every year
and we investigate each and every one of them. In
some cases it's very obvious that the details
provided are bogus, but in others it's not and we
have to spend time energy and effort going back
and forth with our client and ICANN to resolve it.
Sometimes this leads to domains being suspended or
deleted, sometimes the whois gets updated,
sometimes the complaint is denied. But each
complaint is handled on its merits.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> We also have
a whois privacy service. It is NOT a fake address.
You can check it in the Irish company office:<br>
> > >>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://search.cro.ie/company/CompanyDetails.aspx?id=480317&type=C"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://search.cro.ie/company/<wbr>CompanyDetails.aspx?id=480317&<wbr>type=C</a><br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Now you may
not like that people and organisations choose to
obfuscate their contact details via services like
that one, but that's a different issue entirely. I
also personally have correspondence addresses in
the US, mainland UK and a couple in Northern
Ireland. I don't live at any of them, but you can
send me physical mail and I will get it. You could
argue that the address is "fake", but as I can get
mail to it I'd suspect that in many cases it'd be
considered valid.<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Regards<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> Michele<br>
> > >>><br>
> > >>> --<br>
> > >>> Mr Michele
Neylon<br>
> > >>> Blacknight
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
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