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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of John Horton <john.horton@legitscript.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 3 March 2017 at 16:03<br>
<b>To: </b>Chuck Gomes <cgomes@verisign.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">Maxim, if it helps to clarify (having worked with the IACP periodically over the years myself), I think the point of the document was to represent their stakeholders' viewpoints to this group
about RDS. I don't think the IACP was trying to argue that as an association, it is a law enforcement entity (whether for RDS access purposes or any other purpose) -- at least, that's how I read the document. (Sometimes, it's just a more efficient way to convey
an industry viewpoint, as opposed to requiring that all of the IACP's 27,000+ members separately submit a letter to this group.) Just my two cents. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#073763">John Horton<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Gomes, Chuck <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Maxim,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">It is important that we openly accept input from all stakeholders including professionals from specific fields.
We will have to decide what groups should be given access to what data elements that are not publicly disclosed. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. In the case of law enforcement, we will need to work with them in this regard including with this association
if they are willing to do so.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">INTA is an association; I am sure you would not suggest that we discount their views.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The concerns you raise will need to be considered in light of the bigger picture involving all stakeholders.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">
<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Maxim Alzoba<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 03, 2017 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> I think we might consider this set of items only as an opinion of professionals in the field of Law Enforcement. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">As I understand members of association do not act on behalf of their LEAs, but as individuals who worked/are working in the field of Law Enforcement (and from
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> Unfortunately, due to a mix of different legislations in the system of ICANN + Registry + Registrar + Registrant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> (issues start when they are not in the same jurisdiction)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">the local LEA of a Registry (for example), so the only current way is Interpol.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">The local LEA has powers granted by local laws, so it is already fixed and is not in our remit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">So the requests from LEA should go directly , and not via associations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">P.s: granting requested access would be equal to free not authorised access to RDS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">The same we see now in CZDS (anyone can pretend to be a student and request zone files).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Sincerely Yours,<br>
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Maxim Alzoba<br>
Special projects manager,<br>
International Relations Department,<br>
FAITID<br>
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m. <a href="tel:+7%20916%20676-15-80" target="_blank">+7 916 6761580</a></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black">skype oldfrogger</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">On Mar 3, 2017, at 16:07, Sam Lanfranco <<a href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net" target="_blank">sam@lanfranco.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Within the terrain of the Internet ecosystem the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) is, in the simplest terms, yet another constituency group,
not formally attached to ICANN, with an interest in a particular part of the DNS system, that being access to information that assists them in their work. There is however a slight difference in that their members are within law enforcement agencies (LEAs)
with legal means to access DNS data. I would suggest that both of those points be kept in mind as the PDP moves forward with RDS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">I would take them to be saying two things, again in simple terms.
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<span lang="EN-US">First, please collect some data that would be particularly useful to us in our necessary work in the public interest.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Second (our task here) what of that data should be publicly available, and what of that data should be gated and accessible through the normal LEA request channels.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Is there more to it than that?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Sam Lanfranco (NPOC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">On 3/2/2017 7:54 PM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">I didn't discount their opinion. I simply noted that we will need their help to give them what they want if we don't give the world full public access like they seem to be requesting. That option is still on the table but how likely do you think that is?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">From: Kiran Malancharuvil [<a href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com" target="_blank">mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com</a>]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:44 PM<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">To: Gomes, Chuck <a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank"><cgomes@verisign.com></a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Cc: <a href="mailto:m.alzoba@gmail.com" target="_blank">m.alzoba@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Why are their opinions being discounted then?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Kiran Malancharuvil<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Policy Counselor<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">MarkMonitor<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"><a href="tel:(415)%20419-9138" target="_blank">415-419-9138</a> (m)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Gomes, Chuck <a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank"><cgomes@verisign.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Sure just like SGs, Constituencies, Advisory Groups, companies, etc., but they need to have representatives who are members. I don't understand why you are asking the question, i.e, what am I missing.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">From: Kiran Malancharuvil [<a href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com" target="_blank">mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com</a>]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 3:47 PM<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">To: Maxim Alzoba <a href="mailto:m.alzoba@gmail.com" target="_blank"><m.alzoba@gmail.com></a>; Gomes, Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Hi Chuck,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Am I missing something? Are associations not welcome to participate in the group?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Kiran<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Maxim Alzoba<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 12:36 PM<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">association resolution regarding domain registration data<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Hello Chuck,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">with all due respect,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">it is not Interpol, which may pass requests between two jurisdictions, but a professional association, and there is a great difference between those two.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">(it is not an IGO).<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Sincerely Yours,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Maxim Alzoba<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Special projects manager,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">International Relations Department,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">m. <a href="tel:+7%20916%20676-15-80" target="_blank">+7 916 6761580</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">skype oldfrogger<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">On Mar 2, 2017, at 22:54, Gomes, Chuck <a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank"><cgomes@verisign.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Thanks Greg. In case we recommend gated access, I hope they will cooperate in making that possible.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">On Mar 2, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Greg Aaron <a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com" target="_blank"><gca@icginc.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) has issued an official resolution regarding domain name registration data.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">The resolution requests that ICANN and related parties provide "continued access to publicly available databases concerning the allocation of Internet resources, and in situations where the maintenance of these databases may conflict with privacy regulation, business concerns, or data-mining prevention efforts, fully consult with the International law enforcement to assist in the resolution of these potential conflicts before removing or restricting law enforcement access to this critical information; and... that IACP membership coordinate the above efforts to achieve the goal of providing consistent, equal, and uniform access to the above-referenced resources for all of the international law enforcement community."<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Founded in 1893, the IACP (<a href="http://www.iacp.org/" target="_blank">http://www.iacp.org</a><a href="http://www.iacp.org/" target="_blank"><http://www.iacp.org></a>) is the professional association for law enforcement officers, with members in 133 countries worldwide, primarily leadership-level personnel in national, state/provincial, and local agencies. "The Association's goals are to advance the science and art of police services; to develop and disseminate improved administrative, technical and operational practices and promote their use in police work; to foster police cooperation and the exchange of information and experience among police administrators throughout the world....and to encourage adherence of all police officers to high professional standards of performance and conduct."<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">The text of the full resolution is below and contains the rationales. It notes that loss of access to the currently available data "would severely cripple or eliminate the ability of law enforcement agencies to conduct investigation in a timely manner."<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">The document is attached, and also at:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions" target="_blank">http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">I kindly request that this be added to our bank of reference<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">materials. (Thanks, Lisa and Michelle.)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Support for Law Enforcement Access to Publicly Available and<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Accurate Internet Address Registration Data to include privacy<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">protected registrant information and related Forensic Resources to<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">facilitate investigation of Cybercrime and Cyber Enabled Crime Submitted by:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Communications and Technology Committee<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">CTC.06.t16<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">WHEREAS, this is an updated version of an expired 2005 adopted<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">resolution then submitted by the Communications and Technology<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Committee as CT23.a05 and adopted at the 112th Annual Conference;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">and WHEREAS, the lawful investigation of Internet communications is<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">one of the most valuable tools available to law enforcement in<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">identifying both the perpetrators and victims of crime; and WHEREAS,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">the Internet is global in nature, and as such, poses challenges when<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">conducting multiagency international investigations, including<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">delays imposed when obtaining international legal process; and<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">WHEREAS, electronic or digital evidence associated with the Internet<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">is fleeting in nature, and law enforcement officials must obtain timely access to this information to fulfill law enforcement duties; and WHEREAS, criminals use the anonymity and international nature of the Internet, and the fleeting nature of electronic or digital evidence, to thwart law enforcement investigations; and WHEREAS, publicly available databases containing information involving the allocation of Internet resources and who they are assigned to, such as Internet Protocol address space and domain names, are a critical tool used by law enforcement, and because these databases are public in nature, allow law enforcement agencies access to conduct investigations in the most timely manner possible; and WHERAS, allocation of Internet resources is expanding rapidly due to impending exhaustion of Internet Protocol Version 4 address space and the subsequent and simultaneous implementation of Internet Protocol Version 6 as well as the implementation of numerous new top le<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US"> vel domains by the Internet Corporation for the Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), accurate and easily accessible registrant information is now even more important to law enforcement than in 2005 when the original resolution was adopted; and WHEREAS, ICANN and its International members involved in the creation of policy consensus and administration of this information currently are considering new registrant data policy which may seek to restrict or eliminate fluid public access due to business, privacy, or data-mining concerns; and WHEREAS, the elimination or restriction of easy fluid access to this information would severely cripple or eliminate the ability of law enforcement agencies to conduct investigation in a timely manner; now therefore be it RESOLVED, that the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) strongly urges the related Internet administration communities, including governments, regional Internet registries, the Internet Corporation for Assigned <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> Names and Numbers, Internet Service Providers, domain-name registries, domain-name registrars, and Internet service providers to assist law enforcement by providing continued access to publicly available databases concerning the allocation of Internet resources, and in situations where the maintenance of these databases may conflict with privacy regulation, business concerns, or data-mining prevention efforts, fully consult with the International law enforcement to assist in the resolution of these potential conflicts before removing or restricting law enforcement access to this critical information; and be it FURTHER RESOLVED, that the IACP membership coordinate the above efforts to achieve the goal of providing consistent, equal, and uniform access to the above-referenced resources for all of the international law enforcement community.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">"It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">email: <a href="mailto:Lanfran@Yorku.ca" target="_blank">Lanfran@Yorku.ca</a> Skype: slanfranco<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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