<div><blockquote class="m_-8753655803420240241protonmail_quote gmail_msg" type="cite"><p class="gmail_msg">"They can ask for anything they like, it is not like it has legal binding status. It is a wish list, nothing more..."</p></blockquote></div><div>This is no different than any other stakeholder (or group of stakeholders). Even GAC members. So their input should be accepted on an equal footing with any other input. There seems to be a curious amount of effort devoted to discounting this input, much of it based on identity (or opinions about that identity) rather than substance.</div><div><br></div><div>On top of giving due consideration to their input, it may also be appropriate to engage in outreach and engagement with this organization. Participation in the multistakeholder process would be more useful in the long run vs. issuing resolutions. Useful for them, useful for all of us, and useful for the process.</div><div><br></div><div>As an INGO of LE professionals, there may be no existing SO/AC that would be an appropriate "home" for the IOCP, which makes it all the more important that they understand they are welcome to participate, as well as to communicate in other ways (such as resolutions).</div><div><br></div><div>Greg</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 11:54 AM Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_msg">+1 Volker</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-8753655803420240241protonmail_signature_block gmail_msg"><div class="m_-8753655803420240241protonmail_signature_block-user gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">- Ayden <br class="gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="m_-8753655803420240241protonmail_signature_block-proton m_-8753655803420240241protonmail_signature_block-empty gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="m_-8753655803420240241protonmail_quote gmail_msg" type="cite"><div class="gmail_msg">-------- Original Message --------<br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data<br class="gmail_msg"></div></blockquote><blockquote class="m_-8753655803420240241protonmail_quote gmail_msg" type="cite"><div class="gmail_msg">Local Time: 3 March 2017 9:21 AM<br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">UTC Time: 3 March 2017 09:21<br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">From: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">To: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg"></div><p class="gmail_msg">Good thing that police are law "enforcement" not legislators.
They can ask for anything they like, it is not like it has legal
binding status. It is a wish list, nothing more...<br class="gmail_msg"></p><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-8753655803420240241moz-cite-prefix gmail_msg">Am 02.03.2017 um 19:35 schrieb Greg
Aaron:<br class="gmail_msg"></div><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-8753655803420240241WordSection1 gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">The International Association of Chiefs of
Police (IACP) has issued an official resolution regarding
domain name registration data. <br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">The resolution requests that ICANN and
related parties provide “continued access to publicly
available databases concerning the allocation of Internet
resources, and in situations where the maintenance of these
databases may conflict with privacy regulation, business
concerns, or data-mining prevention efforts, fully consult
with the International law enforcement to assist in the
resolution of these potential conflicts before removing or
restricting law enforcement access to this critical
information; and… that IACP membership coordinate the above
efforts to achieve the goal of providing consistent, equal,
and uniform access to the above-referenced resources for all
of the international law enforcement community.”<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">Founded in 1893, the IACP (<a href="http://www.iacp.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">www.iacp.org</a>)
is the professional association for law enforcement officers,
with members in 133 countries worldwide, primarily
leadership-level personnel in national, state/provincial, and
local agencies. "The Association's goals are to advance the
science and art of police services; to develop and disseminate
improved administrative, technical and operational practices
and promote their use in police work; to foster police
cooperation and the exchange of information and experience
among police administrators throughout the world....and to
encourage adherence of all police officers to high
professional standards of performance and conduct."<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="m_-8753655803420240241MsoPlainText gmail_msg">The text of the full resolution is below
and contains the rationales. It notes that loss of access to
the currently available data “would severely cripple or
eliminate the ability of law enforcement agencies to conduct
investigation in a timely manner.”<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="m_-8753655803420240241MsoPlainText gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="m_-8753655803420240241MsoPlainText gmail_msg">The document is attached, and also at: <a href="http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank"> http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions</a> <br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">I kindly request that this be added to our
bank of reference materials. (Thanks, Lisa and Michelle.)<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">Support for Law Enforcement Access to
Publicly Available and Accurate Internet Address Registration
Data to include privacy protected registrant information and
related Forensic Resources to facilitate investigation of
Cybercrime and Cyber Enabled Crime<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">Submitted by: Communications and Technology
Committee<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">CTC.06.t16<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">WHEREAS, this is an updated version of an
expired 2005 adopted resolution then submitted by the
Communications and Technology Committee as CT23.a05 and
adopted at the 112th Annual Conference; and<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">WHEREAS, the lawful investigation of
Internet communications is one of the most valuable tools
available to law enforcement in identifying both the
perpetrators and victims of crime; and<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">WHEREAS, the Internet is global in nature,
and as such, poses challenges when conducting multiagency
international investigations, including delays imposed when
obtaining international legal process; and<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">WHEREAS, electronic or digital evidence
associated with the Internet is fleeting in nature, and law
enforcement officials must obtain timely access to this
information to fulfill law enforcement duties; and<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">WHEREAS, criminals use the anonymity and
international nature of the Internet, and the fleeting nature
of electronic or digital evidence, to thwart law enforcement
investigations; and<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">WHEREAS, publicly available databases
containing information involving the allocation of Internet
resources and who they are assigned to, such as Internet
Protocol address space and domain names, are a critical tool
used by law enforcement, and because these databases are
public in nature, allow law enforcement agencies access to
conduct investigations in the most timely manner possible; and<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">WHERAS, allocation of Internet resources is
expanding rapidly due to impending exhaustion of Internet
Protocol Version 4 address space and the subsequent and
simultaneous implementation of Internet Protocol Version 6 as
well as the implementation of numerous new top level domains
by the Internet Corporation for the Assigned Names and Numbers
(ICANN), accurate and easily accessible registrant information
is now even more important to law enforcement than in 2005
when the original resolution was adopted; and<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">WHEREAS, ICANN and its International
members involved in the creation of policy consensus and
administration of this information currently are considering
new registrant data policy which may seek to restrict or
eliminate fluid public access due to business, privacy, or
data-mining concerns; and<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">WHEREAS, the elimination or restriction of
easy fluid access to this information would severely cripple
or eliminate the ability of law enforcement agencies to
conduct investigation in a timely manner; now therefore be it<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">RESOLVED, that the International
Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) strongly urges the
related Internet administration communities, including
governments, regional Internet registries, the Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, Internet Service
Providers, domain-name registries, domain-name registrars, and
Internet service providers to assist law enforcement by
providing continued access to publicly available databases
concerning the allocation of Internet resources, and in
situations where the maintenance of these databases may
conflict with privacy regulation, business concerns, or
data-mining prevention efforts, fully consult with the
International law enforcement to assist in the resolution of
these potential conflicts before removing or restricting law
enforcement access to this critical information; and be it<br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">FURTHER RESOLVED, that the IACP membership
coordinate the above efforts to achieve the goal of providing
consistent, equal, and uniform access to the above-referenced
resources for all of the international law enforcement
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