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<p>Agreed, but we still need to understand their role and position
when we look at their statement.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.03.2017 um 17:24 schrieb Michele
Neylon - Blacknight:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">They’re
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</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org></a>
on behalf of John Horton
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"><john.horton@legitscript.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 3 March 2017 at 16:03<br>
<b>To: </b>Chuck Gomes <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"><cgomes@verisign.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
enforcement association resolution regarding domain
registration data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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helps to clarify (having worked with the IACP
periodically over the years myself), I think the point
of the document was to represent their stakeholders'
viewpoints to this group about RDS. I don't think the
IACP was trying to argue that as an association, it is a
law enforcement entity (whether for RDS access purposes
or any other purpose) -- at least, that's how I read the
document. (Sometimes, it's just a more efficient way to
convey an industry viewpoint, as opposed to requiring
that all of the IACP's 27,000+ members separately submit
a letter to this group.) Just my two cents. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Gomes,
Chuck <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US">Maxim,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US">It is important that we openly accept
input from all stakeholders including
professionals from specific fields. We will have
to decide what groups should be given access to
what data elements that are not publicly
disclosed. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. In
the case of law enforcement, we will need to work
with them in this regard including with this
association if they are willing to do so.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US">INTA is an association; I am sure you
would not suggest that we discount their views.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US">The concerns you raise will need to
be considered in light of the bigger picture
involving all stakeholders.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US">Chuck</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"
lang="EN-US">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Maxim Alzoba<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 03, 2017 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span><span
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
enforcement association resolution
regarding domain registration data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Hello All, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> I think we might consider this
set of items only as an opinion of
professionals in the field of Law
Enforcement. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Granting access to data to
members of the association is <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">highly questionable, given the
non-official status of the participants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">As I understand members of
association do not act on behalf of their
LEAs, but as individuals who worked/are
working in the field of Law Enforcement (and
from legal perspective it is important).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> Unfortunately, due to a mix of
different legislations in the system of
ICANN + Registry + Registrar + Registrant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> (issues start when they are
not in the same jurisdiction)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">we might face situation where
the information, intended for lawful
purposes of a LEA of a particular
jurisdiction must reach <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">the local LEA of a Registry
(for example), so the only current way is
Interpol.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">The local LEA has powers
granted by local laws, so it is already
fixed and is not in our remit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">So the requests from LEA should
go directly , and not via associations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">One of the reasons - is
identification of the requestor, is should
be done in case of disclosure of sensitive
information.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">P.s: granting requested access
would be equal to free not authorised access
to RDS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">The same we see now in CZDS
(anyone can pretend to be a student and
request zone files).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black" lang="EN-US">Sincerely Yours,<br>
<br>
Maxim Alzoba<br>
Special projects manager,<br>
International Relations
Department,<br>
FAITID<br>
<br>
m. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:+7%20916%20676-15-80" target="_blank">+7 916 6761580</a></span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black" lang="EN-US">skype oldfrogger</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black" lang="EN-US">Current UTC
offset: +3.00 (Moscow)</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">On Mar 3, 2017, at 16:07,
Sam Lanfranco <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net"
target="_blank">sam@lanfranco.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Within the terrain of
the Internet ecosystem the
International Association of Chiefs
of Police (IACP) is, in the simplest
terms, yet another constituency
group, not formally attached to
ICANN, with an interest in a
particular part of the DNS system,
that being access to information
that assists them in their work.
There is however a slight difference
in that their members are within law
enforcement agencies (LEAs) with
legal means to access DNS data. I
would suggest that both of those
points be kept in mind as the PDP
moves forward with RDS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">I would take them to be
saying two things, again in simple
terms.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">First, please
collect some data that would be
particularly useful to us in our
necessary work in the public
interest.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Second (our task
here) what of that data should be
publicly available, and what of
that data should be gated and
accessible through the normal LEA
request channels.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Is there more to it
than that?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Sam Lanfranco (NPOC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">On 3/2/2017 7:54 PM,
Gomes, Chuck wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<pre><span lang="EN-US">I didn't discount their opinion. I simply noted that we will need their help to give them what they want if we don't give the world full public access like they seem to be requesting. That option is still on the table but how likely do you think that is?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">From: Kiran Malancharuvil [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com" target="_blank">mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com</a>]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:44 PM<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">To: Gomes, Chuck <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank"><cgomes@verisign.com></a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:m.alzoba@gmail.com" target="_blank">m.alzoba@gmail.com</a>; <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Why are their opinions being discounted then?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Kiran Malancharuvil<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Policy Counselor<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">MarkMonitor<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%28415%29%20419-9138" target="_blank">415-419-9138</a> (m)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<pre><span lang="EN-US">On Mar 2, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Gomes, Chuck <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank"><cgomes@verisign.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Sure just like SGs, Constituencies, Advisory Groups, companies, etc., but they need to have representatives who are members. I don't understand why you are asking the question, i.e, what am I missing.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">From: Kiran Malancharuvil [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com" target="_blank">mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com</a>]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 3:47 PM<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">To: Maxim Alzoba <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:m.alzoba@gmail.com" target="_blank"><m.alzoba@gmail.com></a>; Gomes, Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank"><cgomes@verisign.com></a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Hi Chuck,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Am I missing something? Are associations not welcome to participate in the group?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Kiran<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">[<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Maxim Alzoba<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 12:36 PM<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">To: Gomes, Chuck <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank"><cgomes@verisign.com></a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">association resolution regarding domain registration data<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Hello Chuck,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">with all due respect,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">it is not Interpol, which may pass requests between two jurisdictions, but a professional association, and there is a great difference between those two.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">(it is not an IGO).<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Sincerely Yours,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Maxim Alzoba<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Special projects manager,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">International Relations Department,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">FAITID<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">m. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:+7%20916%20676-15-80" target="_blank">+7 916 6761580</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">skype oldfrogger<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Current UTC offset: +3.00 (Moscow)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<pre><span lang="EN-US">On Mar 2, 2017, at 22:54, Gomes, Chuck <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank"><cgomes@verisign.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Thanks Greg. In case we recommend gated access, I hope they will cooperate in making that possible.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<pre><span lang="EN-US">On Mar 2, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Greg Aaron <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gca@icginc.com" target="_blank"><gca@icginc.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) has issued an official resolution regarding domain name registration data.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">The resolution requests that ICANN and related parties provide "continued access to publicly available databases concerning the allocation of Internet resources, and in situations where the maintenance of these databases may conflict with privacy regulation, business concerns, or data-mining prevention efforts, fully consult with the International law enforcement to assist in the resolution of these potential conflicts before removing or restricting law enforcement access to this critical information; and... that IACP membership coordinate the above efforts to achieve the goal of providing consistent, equal, and uniform access to the above-referenced resources for all of the international law enforcement community."<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Founded in 1893, the IACP (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.iacp.org/" target="_blank">http://www.iacp.org</a><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.iacp.org/" target="_blank"><http://www.iacp.org></a>) is the professional association for law enforcement officers, with members in 133 countries worldwide, primarily leadership-level personnel in national, state/provincial, and local agencies. "The Association's goals are to advance the science and art of police services; to develop and disseminate improved administrative, technical and operational practices and promote their use in police work; to foster police cooperation and the exchange of information and experience among police administrators throughout the world....and to encourage adherence of all police officers to high professional standards of performance and conduct."<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">The text of the full resolution is below and contains the rationales. It notes that loss of access to the currently available data "would severely cripple or eliminate the ability of law enforcement agencies to conduct investigation in a timely manner."<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">The document is attached, and also at:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions" target="_blank">http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">I kindly request that this be added to our bank of reference<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">materials. (Thanks, Lisa and Michelle.)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Support for Law Enforcement Access to Publicly Available and<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Accurate Internet Address Registration Data to include privacy<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">protected registrant information and related Forensic Resources to<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">facilitate investigation of Cybercrime and Cyber Enabled Crime Submitted by:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Communications and Technology Committee<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">CTC.06.t16<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">WHEREAS, this is an updated version of an expired 2005 adopted<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">resolution then submitted by the Communications and Technology<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Committee as CT23.a05 and adopted at the 112th Annual Conference;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">and WHEREAS, the lawful investigation of Internet communications is<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">one of the most valuable tools available to law enforcement in<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">identifying both the perpetrators and victims of crime; and WHEREAS,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">the Internet is global in nature, and as such, poses challenges when<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">conducting multiagency international investigations, including<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">delays imposed when obtaining international legal process; and<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">WHEREAS, electronic or digital evidence associated with the Internet<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">is fleeting in nature, and law enforcement officials must obtain timely access to this information to fulfill law enforcement duties; and WHEREAS, criminals use the anonymity and international nature of the Internet, and the fleeting nature of electronic or digital evidence, to thwart law enforcement investigations; and WHEREAS, publicly available databases containing information involving the allocation of Internet resources and who they are assigned to, such as Internet Protocol address space and domain names, are a critical tool used by law enforcement, and because these databases are public in nature, allow law enforcement agencies access to conduct investigations in the most timely manner possible; and WHERAS, allocation of Internet resources is expanding rapidly due to impending exhaustion of Internet Protocol Version 4 address space and the subsequent and simultaneous implementation of Internet Protocol Version 6 as well as the implementation of numerous new top le<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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