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<p>Responses in-line.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/07/2017 01:52 AM, Volker Greimann
wrote:<br>
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<p>I do not think anyone suggested any organization would not be
legitimate enough to participate. Anyone with an opinion on the
matter can (and should) participate. I merely suggested that I
see it as obvious that the source of an argument has an impact
on the interpretation of the argument and should not be
disregarded. </p>
</blockquote>
<br>
To which I agree. We should certainly look at those who have a
direct revenue stream in this have an interest in maintaining as
many people owning domains for as long as possible to maintain said
income stream regardless of the harms externalized by their actions.<br>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:4f6b34b3-0ad7-ba94-f7a7-373244b9a91b@key-systems.net"
type="cite">
<p>Or would anyone in his right mind consider a Breitbart news
article or a Trump tweet as similarly trustworthy, significant
and helpful as they would a researched and vetted WSJ article? </p>
</blockquote>
No one cares about your inane political viewpoints. Stop injecting
them into this discussion.<br>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:4f6b34b3-0ad7-ba94-f7a7-373244b9a91b@key-systems.net"
type="cite">
<p>Anyone with something to say can and should contribute, but we
should be free to look at where this argument is coming from as
well. Sometimes what is not being said is as informative as what
is being said, after all.<br>
</p>
</blockquote>
Yes. Tell me, where do you stand on economic conflicts of interest
and how they play out in this policy discussion?<br>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:4f6b34b3-0ad7-ba94-f7a7-373244b9a91b@key-systems.net"
type="cite">
<p> </p>
<p>I also have not seen much issue with legitimate investigative
use cases. If law enforcement in the pursuit of their duty has a
legal right to access the data, they will in all likelyhood
still be able to get at that data, and I support that in
general. Admittedly, under such a regime, private organizations
with no formal law enforcement powers would have a harder time,
and that is something we should look at once we reach that part
of the deliberation. I personally think that finding the exact
"line in the sand" of who gets what how will be a daunting task,
but worthwhile.<br>
</p>
</blockquote>
Many disagree with this premise that there is such a need to decide
who gets what and that this group should be the one making that
decision if so.<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:4f6b34b3-0ad7-ba94-f7a7-373244b9a91b@key-systems.net"
type="cite">
<p> </p>
<p>It is a known fact that the right to privacy of individuals
makes the job of law enforcement harder. That is why each
jurisdiction has tried to define the acceptable borders and
intrusions into the individual privacy necessary to fight
specific crime. Law enforcement has specific rights that may
ever vary with the crime that is being investigated. For
example, law enforcement looking at terror suspects may have
significantly more rights to intrude on the privacy of the
suspects than law enforcement fighting traffic violations.
Police may wire-tap a suspect but only after going through the
appropriate process (which will usually require the approval of
a judge).<br>
</p>
<p>And obviously, as an example, private organizations fighting
traffic violations (for example private parking companies trying
to find and fine those illegally using their parking spaces)
have even less rights than state organizations doing the same
for public parking spaces. <br>
</p>
</blockquote>
All analogies uninformed by the actual reality of the subject at
hand.<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:4f6b34b3-0ad7-ba94-f7a7-373244b9a91b@key-systems.net"
type="cite">
<p> </p>
<p>With regard to your comment on accuracy and privacy, I think
this is misplaced here. I think it is faily clear to anyone in
this group that whois data that is accurate constitutes PII
whereas trash data probably does not (it might be PII for
someone else if the data was stolen). In many cases I have seen
over the years, legitimate users of domain names have used trash
data in what they saw as self defense as they did not wish their
private details to be published in the whois. While they
technically violated their registration agreements, nearly all
felt this was justified and a "victimless crime" as they could
not see and harm in doing that. And guess what: No one was
actually harmed (except the registrar saddled with the man-hour
cost trying to convince them to update the data "or else").<br>
</p>
</blockquote>
I want to focus on this because it's such a bald statement of moral
turpitude. Let's take a look at what you're actually saying here.
You have a customer who wants privacy but instead of paying a few
bucks for whois privacy protection because you guys MONETIZED
privacy and doing it the right way, you are letting them violate
your policies and ICANNs KNOWINGLY. This is no "technical
violation", it's a conscious and direct one. You COULD simply offer
whois privacy protection as a check box on registration and NOT
monetize it. Then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. But
instead you created an income stream, people don't want to pay into
it, so instead of following your own policies and ICANN's you
knowingly violate it. All the while criminals do the same thing and
use junk data. This enables them to KEEP BEING CRIMINALS longer
making this not a "victimless crime"... what it makes it is you are
systematically aiding criminals all to protect the whois privacy
income stream.<br>
<br>
We've known there are bad registrars and registries out there.
Namecentral was just disaccredited because it was nothing more than
a front for DDoS for hire services. There are entire ccTLDs that
operate as criminal service providers. We've by and large stopped
bothering to report must of it because complaints of this sort or
systematically ignored most of the time anyway. Now I see why it
persists, because anything that doesn't victimize you is
"victimless". This conversation is starting to feel like having a
debate with tobacco lobbyists on whether cigarettes cause cancer.
Breitbart level credibility indeed. <br>
<br>
j<br>
<br>
<blockquote
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 07.03.2017 um 02:35 schrieb
allison nixon:<br>
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cite="mid:CACLR7w+xUDSvNS7W31uZi2+W8c1z52nmQH=0yQAc0NL5f1tDmg@mail.gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr">The level of resistance here against
investigative use cases is very interesting.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>People claim to care about privacy and then attempt to
shut down a major aspect of combating cybercrime, which is a
bigger violator of privacy than all the whois spam put
together and multiplied by a million.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To see an individual person denouncing an organization
of many people as somehow not legitimate enough to
participate, while oneself participates- that's also
interesting. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Claims that WHOIS data is sensitive and accurate PII
despite common use of trash data and WHOIS privacy, also
interesting.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Something does not add up.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:40 PM,
Patrick Lenihan via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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face="arial" color="black" size="2">+1 Stephanie; as a
former USA law enforcement officer.
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<div class="h5"><br>
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target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a>><br>
To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 11:36 am<br>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
enforcement association resolution regarding
domain registration data<br>
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<div><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida
Grande">I hesitate to even venture a
comment on this topic, lest it generate
another 20 comments, but I am very
puzzled about this whole discussion. I
am admittedly much more familiar with
the Canadian Association of Chiefs of
Police, a lobby group/professional
association which is remarkably similar
to this organization, only on a national
level. OF course any of the police
lobby associations are free to join us,
but is anyone suggesting that we do not
have adequate representation of law
enforcement interests at ICANN? Do we
not have several representatives of
police agencies on this working group?
Law enforcement organizations regularly
form part of GAC delegations, certainly
our RCMP are often part of the Canadian
delegation to the GAC. Law enforcement
officials have formed a public safety
working group.....any of these
representatives are presumably capable
of drafting papers for their national
organizations and indeed I suspect
someone has drafted this document for
the International Association, given the
specificity of the resolutions. I am
sure many national associations will
endorse it and bring it to their own
national governments, who in turn will
forward it to their GAC delegations. <br>
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<div><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida
Grande">Police organizations regularly
lobby for legislative change to
facilitate their work. (it is
nevertheless interesting that this
international organization has a link
for contacting your congressman, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="http://capwiz.com/theiacp/issues/"
target="_blank">http://capwiz.com/theiacp/<wbr>issues/</a>
right under the drop down menu for what
we do). It is not surprising that they
have prepared a resolution on WHOIS,
those of us who have followed the impact
of technology on police work have seen
many similar resolutions on different
issues. Police face problems of time
and expense, not to mention
constitutional protection. However, It
is not like law enforcement has not had
its views very well represented at ICANN
over many years. Given, as Michele has
pointed out, that the bar for membership
on this working group is exceedingly low
(show up) it seems to me the issue we
need to worry about is, who does not
have the time and money to show up.<br>
</font></font></div>
<div>Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div
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2017-03-05 10:57, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight wrote:<br>
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<div
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style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span> </b><span
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Gomes <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Date: </b>Sunday 5 March 2017 at
15:56<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <a
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href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Cc: </b><a
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<b>Subject: </b>RE:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
enforcement association resolution
regarding domain registration data</span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I’m concerned that this
could turn into an unending
administrative workload for staff and
would like them to focus their time in
helping us do our deliberations. I am
now sorry I made the suggestion.</span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Marika has made a good
suggestion on the leadership list that
we encourage all members to send our
latest WG update to any organizations
that may have a stake in what we are
doing and invite them to join as
members or observers.</span></div>
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Michele Neylon - Blacknight [<a
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 05,
2017 8:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ayden Férdeline <a
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Gomes, Chuck <a
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international
law enforcement association
resolution regarding domain
registration data</span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Ayden</span></div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></div>
<div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">If you supply the names and
contact details for organisations who
you think should be invited to
contribute in some form then I’m sure
that we can deal with it. <br>
However so far you haven’t.</span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">As others have pointed out,
the ICANN processes are open to
everyone. The barrier to entry is
incredibly low. All you need to do is
turn up.</span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Input is always welcome and
encouraged.</span></div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards</span></div>
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<div
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style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span> </b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><<a
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href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
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on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <<a
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href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Ayden Férdeline
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday 4 March 2017
at 19:44<br>
<b>To: </b>Chuck Gomes <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
enforcement association resolution
regarding domain registration data</span></div>
</div>
<div>
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class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
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<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">If
the invitation to this association
will be going out on ICANN letterhead
and facilitated by ICANN staff, I
consider it only fair that other
invitations be sent out in the same
manner.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
<br>
Ayden </div>
</div>
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</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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Original Message --------</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Subject:
RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international
law enforcement association
resolution regarding domain
registration data</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Local
Time: 4 March 2017 7:40 PM</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">UTC
Time: 4 March 2017 19:40</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">From:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">To:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>></div>
</div>
<div>
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class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I
suggest you invite them Ayden.
If you are bothered by the fact
that I asked staff to contact
the association I will cancel my
request of staff and encourage
others to do that.</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Chuck</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></span></div>
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class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b></span><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">
Ayden Férdeline [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">mailto:icann@ferdeline.com</a>]
</span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
<span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b>Sent:</b>
Saturday, March 04, 2017 2:15 PM</span><br>
<span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b>To:</b>
Gomes, Chuck <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>></span><br>
<span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b>Cc:</b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">
gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span><br>
<span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b>Subject:</b>
[EXTERNAL] RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
international law enforcement
association resolution regarding
domain registration data</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">If
we are going to send an invite
letter to this organisation
requesting their participation, I
am happy to provide a list of
other organisations whose voices
are missing from this WG so that
ICANN staff can invite them to
participate as well. Thanks.</div>
</div>
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</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">-
Ayden </div>
</div>
</div>
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<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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Original Message --------</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Subject:
RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
international law enforcement
association resolution regarding
domain registration data</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Local
Time: 4 March 2017 7:10 PM</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">UTC
Time: 4 March 2017 19:10</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">From:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">To:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>></div>
</div>
<div>
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class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Very
well said Greg.</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">It
seems to me that we should
reach out to them and invite
them to have a
representative or
representatives join our WG.</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Marika/Lisa
– Would one of you please
prepare an invitation letter
and identify who and where
we should send it.</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Chuck</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></span></div>
<div>
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class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b></span><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg
Shatan</span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
<span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b>Sent:</b>
Saturday, March 04, 2017
11:13 AM</span><br>
<span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b>To:</b>
Ayden Férdeline <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>;
Volker Greimann <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span><br>
<span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b>Cc:</b>
RDS PDP WG <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>></span><br>
<span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b>Subject:</b>
[EXTERNAL] Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
international law
enforcement association
resolution regarding domain
registration data</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
<div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_gmailmsg">"They
can ask for anything they
like, it is not like it has
legal binding status. It is
a wish list, nothing
more..."</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">This
is no different than any other
stakeholder (or group of
stakeholders). Even GAC
members. So their input should
be accepted on an equal
footing with any other input.
There seems to be a curious
amount of effort devoted to
discounting this input, much
of it based on identity (or
opinions about that identity)
rather than substance.</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">On
top of giving due
consideration to their input,
it may also be appropriate to
engage in outreach and
engagement with this
organization. Participation
in the multistakeholder
process would be more useful
in the long run vs. issuing
resolutions. Useful for them,
useful for all of us, and
useful for the process.</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">As
an INGO of LE professionals,
there may be no existing SO/AC
that would be an appropriate
"home" for the IOCP, which
makes it all the more
important that they understand
they are welcome to
participate, as well as to
communicate in other ways
(such as resolutions).</div>
</div>
<div>
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class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Greg</div>
</div>
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</div>
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<div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">On
Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 11:54
AM Ayden Férdeline <<a
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Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
international law
enforcement
association resolution
regarding domain
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legislators. They can
ask for anything they
like, it is not like it
has legal binding
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">The
International
Association of
Chiefs of Police
(IACP) has issued an
official resolution
regarding domain
name registration
data. </div>
<div
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">The
resolution requests
that ICANN and
related parties
provide “continued
access to publicly
available databases
concerning the
allocation of
Internet resources,
and in situations
where the
maintenance of these
databases may
conflict with
privacy regulation,
business concerns,
or data-mining
prevention efforts,
fully consult with
the International
law enforcement to
assist in the
resolution of these
potential conflicts
before removing or
restricting law
enforcement access
to this critical
information; and…
that IACP membership
coordinate the above
efforts to achieve
the goal of
providing
consistent, equal,
and uniform access
to the
above-referenced
resources for all of
the international
law enforcement
community.”</div>
<div
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Founded
in 1893, the IACP (<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="http://www.iacp.org"
target="_blank">www.iacp.org</a>)
is the professional
association for law
enforcement
officers, with
members in 133
countries worldwide,
primarily
leadership-level
personnel in
national,
state/provincial,
and local agencies.
"The Association's
goals are to advance
the science and art
of police services;
to develop and
disseminate improved
administrative,
technical and
operational
practices and
promote their use in
police work; to
foster police
cooperation and the
exchange of
information and
experience among
police
administrators
throughout the
world....and to
encourage adherence
of all police
officers to high
professional
standards of
performance and
conduct."</div>
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_m-8753655803420240241msoplaintext">The
text of the full
resolution is below
and contains the
rationales. It
notes that loss of
access to the
currently available
data “would severely
cripple or eliminate
the ability of law
enforcement agencies
to conduct
investigation in a
timely manner.”</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_m-8753655803420240241msoplaintext"> </div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_m-8753655803420240241msoplaintext">The
document is
attached, and also
at: <a
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rel="noopener
noreferrer"
href="http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions"
target="_blank">http://www.theiacp.org/<wbr>Resolutions</a> </div>
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">I
kindly request that
this be added to our
bank of reference
materials. (Thanks,
Lisa and Michelle.)</div>
<div
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Support
for Law Enforcement
Access to Publicly
Available and
Accurate Internet
Address Registration
Data to include
privacy protected
registrant
information and
related Forensic
Resources to
facilitate
investigation of
Cybercrime and Cyber
Enabled Crime</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Submitted
by: Communications
and Technology
Committee</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">CTC.06.t16</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
this is an updated
version of an
expired 2005 adopted
resolution then
submitted by the
Communications and
Technology Committee
as CT23.a05 and
adopted at the 112th
Annual Conference;
and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
the lawful
investigation of
Internet
communications is
one of the most
valuable tools
available to law
enforcement in
identifying both the
perpetrators and
victims of crime;
and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
the Internet is
global in nature,
and as such, poses
challenges when
conducting
multiagency
international
investigations,
including delays
imposed when
obtaining
international legal
process; and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
electronic or
digital evidence
associated with the
Internet is fleeting
in nature, and law
enforcement
officials must
obtain timely access
to this information
to fulfill law
enforcement duties;
and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
criminals use the
anonymity and
international nature
of the Internet, and
the fleeting nature
of electronic or
digital evidence, to
thwart law
enforcement
investigations; and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
publicly available
databases containing
information
involving the
allocation of
Internet resources
and who they are
assigned to, such as
Internet Protocol
address space and
domain names, are a
critical tool used
by law enforcement,
and because these
databases are public
in nature, allow law
enforcement agencies
access to conduct
investigations in
the most timely
manner possible; and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHERAS,
allocation of
Internet resources
is expanding rapidly
due to impending
exhaustion of
Internet Protocol
Version 4 address
space and the
subsequent and
simultaneous
implementation of
Internet Protocol
Version 6 as well as
the implementation
of numerous new top
level domains by the
Internet Corporation
for the Assigned
Names and Numbers
(ICANN), accurate
and easily
accessible
registrant
information is now
even more important
to law enforcement
than in 2005 when
the original
resolution was
adopted; and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
ICANN and its
International
members involved in
the creation of
policy consensus and
administration of
this information
currently are
considering new
registrant data
policy which may
seek to restrict or
eliminate fluid
public access due to
business, privacy,
or data-mining
concerns; and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
the elimination or
restriction of easy
fluid access to this
information would
severely cripple or
eliminate the
ability of law
enforcement agencies
to conduct
investigation in a
timely manner; now
therefore be it</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">RESOLVED,
that the
International
Association of
Chiefs of Police
(IACP) strongly
urges the related
Internet
administration
communities,
including
governments,
regional Internet
registries, the
Internet Corporation
for Assigned Names
and Numbers,
Internet Service
Providers,
domain-name
registries,
domain-name
registrars, and
Internet service
providers to assist
law enforcement by
providing continued
access to publicly
available databases
concerning the
allocation of
Internet resources,
and in situations
where the
maintenance of these
databases may
conflict with
privacy regulation,
business concerns,
or data-mining
prevention efforts,
fully consult with
the International
law enforcement to
assist in the
resolution of these
potential conflicts
before removing or
restricting law
enforcement access
to this critical
information; and be
it</div>
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RESOLVED, that the
IACP membership
coordinate the above
efforts to achieve
the goal of
providing
consistent, equal,
and uniform access
to the
above-referenced
resources for all of
the international
law enforcement
community.</div>
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