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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><b><u><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="3">AC Chat Next-Gen RDS PDP WG </font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 15px;">Tuesday</span></font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" size="3">,
07 March 2017</font></u></b></p>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the Next-Gen RDS PDP WG call on Tuesday, 07 March 2017 at 17:00 UTC</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_i6zRAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=rb_zSFlr0GhpsCDo_a0IB-zTrjEVHTC-gxVHKI1_IuU&s=8kyAcj6eGXwlAuwMKu6th6FrJx4DguOcodVMJ6yD-TQ&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_i6zRAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=rb_zSFlr0GhpsCDo_a0IB-zTrjEVHTC-gxVHKI1_IuU&s=8kyAcj6eGXwlAuwMKu6th6FrJx4DguOcodVMJ6yD-TQ&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello Michelle</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Hi there Maxim! :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:Hello all.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:Hello everyone</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:Good morning! </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:good afternoon :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr::-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:questions can be downloaded from <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64072843_RDSPDP-2DQuestionsForDataCommissioners-2Dv8clean.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=rb_zSFlr0GhpsCDo_a0IB-zTrjEVHTC-gxVHKI1_IuU&s=BA1uub0zm0aa1OvibjHTs-_-hq1uklKQeF2m1fy7f9Y&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64072843_RDSPDP-2DQuestionsForDataCommissioners-2Dv8clean.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=rb_zSFlr0GhpsCDo_a0IB-zTrjEVHTC-gxVHKI1_IuU&s=BA1uub0zm0aa1OvibjHTs-_-hq1uklKQeF2m1fy7f9Y&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vicky sheckler:hi</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):I'll do my best.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:If there is also an audience Q&A opportunity, WG members can raise questions as well</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):For a bit of context, I understand that I'm representing technology and technical issues related to privacy.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):happy to answer any questions or listen to anything that anyone wants to say to me about this.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:Chuck is correct re my request. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Proposal is to delete last sentence in Q3: "If so, would entities .... be considered in violation?"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:so if you object to the deletion of that sentence, please put a red X</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Theo and Marc, you can always raise that follow-up question during our Wednesday session, time permitting</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:aye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:Should read EU e-commerce directive. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vicky sheckler:ii am not on the bridge but strongly disagree</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Won't DCs have encountered this potential conflicts between DP laws and EU commerce directive?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vicky sheckler:woould like to understand the interaction btn the ecommerce directive and GoPro</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vicky sheckler:gdpr sorry</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:GDPR</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:GDPR</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:thank you spell check :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:"interact" needs to be removed from the first sentence.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vicky sheckler:Steve is right - about registrants not registrars</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tjabbe Bos (European Commission):If we're considering natural persons (i.e. not legal persons) operating as a service provider, I suppose the question could still make sense</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tjabbe Bos (European Commission):But I am in doubt to what extent the EU e-Commerce Directive regulates those kinds of situations</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Article 5General information to be provided1. In addition to other information requirements established by Community law, Member States shall ensure that the service provider shall render easily, directly
and permanently accessible to the recipients of the service and competent authorities, at least the following information:(a) the name of the service provider;(b) the geographic address at which the service provider is established;(c) the details of the service
provider, including his electronic mail address, which allow him to be contacted rapidly and communicated with in a direct and effective manner;</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:sounds to me this is becoming a rather complex question when we start mixing directives</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:At minimum it appears we should revise "Does this appply to domain name registrars?" to refer instead to domain name registrants and contacts for domain names?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:Good to know that there will be a national DP authority among the panel. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the latter question is more for PSWG</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:FYI, the participants in the panel are: Opening remarks: Mr. James Bladel, chair of the GNSO Council and Mr. Johannes Kleijssen, Director of Information Society and Action against Crime of the Council
of Europe Panel on ICANN and Data Privacy issues: Moderator: Ms. Becky Burr (ICANN Board), Ms. Abigail Slater (GNSO) Mr. James Galvin (GNSO) Mr. Thomas Schneider (GAC) Prof. Joseph Cannataci (UN) Mr. Giovanni Buttarelli (EDPS) Mr. Wilbert Tomesen (Article
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Greg, generalize title to "Access to registration data for criminal and abuse investigation" ?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz:Thanks for this list Marika</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:The headings are purely to organize the list, not to limit the questions themselves</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Broader hading better.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:heading</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:We have edit direction</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Question 15 there's an unknown character..</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Greg, will delete that</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:Note that the next meeting after ICANN58 will be scheduled for Tuesday 28 March.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Scott Hollenbeck (Verisign):FWIW Tuesday 28 March will conflict with the IETF meeting</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:I'd like to see a proposal on paper to understand/comment</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:Sorry I missed the poll - been on the move - limited connectivity </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vicky sheckler:agree with alex</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Alex, the list of goals would be moved from the body of the purpose statement but remain in the same section of the key concpets document, to serve as guidance as we finish the statement of purpose
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vicky sheckler:apologies but i need to leave early today</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:I have to leave as well </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:need to rescue my car </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:see you all in Copenhagen</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:The purpose of the RDS is to provide an authoritative source differs from facilitiate disemmination of auth data</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:+1 Greg</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:and authorization from whom?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:the data subject, ICANN, etc?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:Verification is always an issue </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:how about "disemmination of auth data in accordance with applicable policy"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:+1 Fab</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:authoritative data</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:authoritative data</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:"disemmination of authoritative data in accordance with applicable policy"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:+1 Alex</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:data has to be authoritative as it comes from registry</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Sara Bockey:what if we take authoritative out?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Authoritative source of crap data?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:I think the statement is moving far afield from its original intent</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan::-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Sara Bockey:LOL @Greg.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Elaine Pruis:once it leaves the registry it can be manipulated or modified so it is no longer authoritative</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Iterative processes can have these horse/cart issues (or dog/chase/tail issues)....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:top-down or bottom-up - does the statement of purpose drive policy, or do policies drive the statement of purpose (or is it iterative)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I am not sure we want to go into business of creating a technical method of cross communications between quite different parties</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Marc, I think you're talking about the EWG notion of purpose-based contacts</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marc Anderson:yes Lisa</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz 4:@Marc, isn;t everything you are saying consistent with this statement in Q7? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:appropriate = "based on approved policy"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:+1 Lisa</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:I have heard two things mentioned - expanding the ability to contact for different purposes, and actually carrying out that communication. Does this purpose focus just on the former?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:It is A purpose to identify SOME contacts. That is all we can do</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:15 minutes to end of meeting.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz 4:@Marc, your tquestions are about which data elements should be available to carry out the purpose. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marc Anderson:@steve, I think that is definitly part of it. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> steve metalitz 4:Can the STatement of Purpose be put on screen? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:The proposal was to delete brackets from around bracketed text, leaving that text, in all cases except for "[based on approved policy]" which will remain for further discussion</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Poll could close 9am CET to share results with WG during our Saturday meeting</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Sorry that was 9am CET Saturday</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Allowing those enroute to participate upon arrival</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:See you in Copenhagen</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Coupet:Bye!</div>
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:thanks!</div>
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