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<p>John, I believe your ad-hominem attacks are unwarranted. They are
certainly unwelcome.<br>
</p>
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<p>I do not think anyone suggested any organization would not be
legitimate enough to participate. Anyone with an opinion on
the matter can (and should) participate. I merely suggested
that I see it as obvious that the source of an argument has an
impact on the interpretation of the argument and should not be
disregarded. </p>
</blockquote>
To which I agree. We should certainly look at those who have a
direct revenue stream in this have an interest in maintaining as
many people owning domains for as long as possible to maintain
said income stream regardless of the harms externalized by their
actions.<br>
</blockquote>
Really? Having an interest in providing a legitimate service makes
us accessories to whatever people do online now? <br>
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type="cite"> <br>
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type="cite">
<p>Or would anyone in his right mind consider a Breitbart news
article or a Trump tweet as similarly trustworthy, significant
and helpful as they would a researched and vetted WSJ article?
</p>
</blockquote>
No one cares about your inane political viewpoints. Stop
injecting them into this discussion.<br>
</blockquote>
Directly to the ad-hominem attack. Stop injecting those into this
discussion. I made a valid point that there is value in
differentiating between the original definition of fake news and
actual fact-based news. <br>
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cite="mid:79422f4d-f6f2-8f0f-923d-cf8333654f9d@bambenekconsulting.com"
type="cite"> <br>
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cite="mid:4f6b34b3-0ad7-ba94-f7a7-373244b9a91b@key-systems.net"
type="cite">
<p>Anyone with something to say can and should contribute, but
we should be free to look at where this argument is coming
from as well. Sometimes what is not being said is as
informative as what is being said, after all.<br>
</p>
</blockquote>
Yes. Tell me, where do you stand on economic conflicts of
interest and how they play out in this policy discussion?<br>
</blockquote>
I do not think providing registration services constitutes a
conflict of interest. Providing harvesting services of whois data
(which current whois use policies already albeit ineffectively
prohibit) does.<br>
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cite="mid:79422f4d-f6f2-8f0f-923d-cf8333654f9d@bambenekconsulting.com"
type="cite"> <br>
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cite="mid:4f6b34b3-0ad7-ba94-f7a7-373244b9a91b@key-systems.net"
type="cite">
<p> </p>
<p>I also have not seen much issue with legitimate investigative
use cases. If law enforcement in the pursuit of their duty has
a legal right to access the data, they will in all likelyhood
still be able to get at that data, and I support that in
general. Admittedly, under such a regime, private
organizations with no formal law enforcement powers would have
a harder time, and that is something we should look at once we
reach that part of the deliberation. I personally think that
finding the exact "line in the sand" of who gets what how will
be a daunting task, but worthwhile.<br>
</p>
</blockquote>
Many disagree with this premise that there is such a need to
decide who gets what and that this group should be the one making
that decision if so.<br>
</blockquote>
If you look at the EWG recommendations that form the basis for our
PDP, you will find these questions at the basis of what our group is
tasked to discuss. You may want to have a look at our WG charter
documents.<br>
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type="cite">
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cite="mid:4f6b34b3-0ad7-ba94-f7a7-373244b9a91b@key-systems.net"
type="cite">
<p> </p>
<p>It is a known fact that the right to privacy of individuals
makes the job of law enforcement harder. That is why each
jurisdiction has tried to define the acceptable borders and
intrusions into the individual privacy necessary to fight
specific crime. Law enforcement has specific rights that may
ever vary with the crime that is being investigated. For
example, law enforcement looking at terror suspects may have
significantly more rights to intrude on the privacy of the
suspects than law enforcement fighting traffic violations.
Police may wire-tap a suspect but only after going through the
appropriate process (which will usually require the approval
of a judge).<br>
</p>
<p>And obviously, as an example, private organizations fighting
traffic violations (for example private parking companies
trying to find and fine those illegally using their parking
spaces) have even less rights than state organizations doing
the same for public parking spaces. <br>
</p>
</blockquote>
All analogies uninformed by the actual reality of the subject at
hand.<br>
</blockquote>
Nonetheless valid as they touch upon the same legal question. Who
should have access to what information and under which requirements.
If you want a closer comparison, look at what law enforcement has to
do to get the basically identical, but non-public customer data from
a hosting company.<br>
<br>
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type="cite">
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cite="mid:4f6b34b3-0ad7-ba94-f7a7-373244b9a91b@key-systems.net"
type="cite">
<p> </p>
<p>With regard to your comment on accuracy and privacy, I think
this is misplaced here. I think it is faily clear to anyone in
this group that whois data that is accurate constitutes PII
whereas trash data probably does not (it might be PII for
someone else if the data was stolen). In many cases I have
seen over the years, legitimate users of domain names have
used trash data in what they saw as self defense as they did
not wish their private details to be published in the whois.
While they technically violated their registration agreements,
nearly all felt this was justified and a "victimless crime" as
they could not see and harm in doing that. And guess what: No
one was actually harmed (except the registrar saddled with the
man-hour cost trying to convince them to update the data "or
else").<br>
</p>
</blockquote>
I want to focus on this because it's such a bald statement of
moral turpitude. Let's take a look at what you're actually saying
here. You have a customer who wants privacy but instead of paying
a few bucks for whois privacy protection because you guys
MONETIZED privacy and doing it the right way, you are letting them
violate your policies and ICANNs KNOWINGLY. This is no "technical
violation", it's a conscious and direct one. You COULD simply
offer whois privacy protection as a check box on registration and
NOT monetize it. Then we wouldn't even be having this
discussion. But instead you created an income stream, people
don't want to pay into it, so instead of following your own
policies and ICANN's you knowingly violate it. All the while
criminals do the same thing and use junk data. This enables them
to KEEP BEING CRIMINALS longer making this not a "victimless
crime"... what it makes it is you are systematically aiding
criminals all to protect the whois privacy income stream.<br>
</blockquote>
I take offense at this attempt to characterize my argument in this
manner. This comment is so far out of bounds, it does not deserve a
response other than: registrants provide data to us for provision in
the whois that we cannot check and have to take at face value unless
we are informed differently. We are not aiding and abetting criminal
activity or allowing customers to violate our or ICANNs policy. If
informed of such violations, we will take appropriate action.<br>
<br>
If you are aware of instances where this is not the case and a
registrar knowingly violates policies of ICANN, please report them
to ICANN compliance. <br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:79422f4d-f6f2-8f0f-923d-cf8333654f9d@bambenekconsulting.com"
type="cite"> <br>
We've known there are bad registrars and registries out there. </blockquote>
Then report them!<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:79422f4d-f6f2-8f0f-923d-cf8333654f9d@bambenekconsulting.com"
type="cite">Namecentral was just disaccredited because it was
nothing more than a front for DDoS for hire services. </blockquote>
So the system actually works.<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:79422f4d-f6f2-8f0f-923d-cf8333654f9d@bambenekconsulting.com"
type="cite">There are entire ccTLDs that operate as criminal
service providers. </blockquote>
Do you have evidence or is this something that Trump would tweet?<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:79422f4d-f6f2-8f0f-923d-cf8333654f9d@bambenekconsulting.com"
type="cite">We've by and large stopped bothering to report must of
it because complaints of this sort or systematically ignored most
of the time anyway. </blockquote>
So you are aiding and abetting criminal activity or violations that
you know about by not taking action?<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:79422f4d-f6f2-8f0f-923d-cf8333654f9d@bambenekconsulting.com"
type="cite">Now I see why it persists, because anything that
doesn't victimize you is "victimless". </blockquote>
If a private individual uses a domain name for a legitimate purpose
but does not want to reveal his personal information and choses to
violate our policies and risk suspension, where is the victim? Other
than the registrar who has to use resources to convince him to
update or else?<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:79422f4d-f6f2-8f0f-923d-cf8333654f9d@bambenekconsulting.com"
type="cite">This conversation is starting to feel like having a
debate with tobacco lobbyists on whether cigarettes cause cancer.
Breitbart level credibility indeed. <br>
</blockquote>
Registering domain names causes crimes now? What are you advocating
here? Banning domain name registrations?<br>
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type="cite"> <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 07.03.2017 um 02:35 schrieb
allison nixon:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CACLR7w+xUDSvNS7W31uZi2+W8c1z52nmQH=0yQAc0NL5f1tDmg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">The level of resistance here against
investigative use cases is very interesting.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>People claim to care about privacy and then attempt to
shut down a major aspect of combating cybercrime, which is
a bigger violator of privacy than all the whois spam put
together and multiplied by a million.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To see an individual person denouncing an
organization of many people as somehow not legitimate
enough to participate, while oneself participates-
that's also interesting. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Claims that WHOIS data is sensitive and accurate PII
despite common use of trash data and WHOIS privacy, also
interesting.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Something does not add up.<br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:40 PM,
Patrick Lenihan via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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face="arial" color="black" size="2">+1 Stephanie; as a
former USA law enforcement officer.
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<div class="h5"><br>
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Original Message ----<br>
From: Stephanie Perrin <<a
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href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a>><br>
To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
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href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 11:36 am<br>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
enforcement association resolution regarding
domain registration data<br>
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<div><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida
Grande">I hesitate to even venture a
comment on this topic, lest it
generate another 20 comments, but I am
very puzzled about this whole
discussion. I am admittedly much more
familiar with the Canadian Association
of Chiefs of Police, a lobby
group/professional association which
is remarkably similar to this
organization, only on a national
level. OF course any of the police
lobby associations are free to join
us, but is anyone suggesting that we
do not have adequate representation of
law enforcement interests at ICANN?
Do we not have several representatives
of police agencies on this working
group? Law enforcement organizations
regularly form part of GAC
delegations, certainly our RCMP are
often part of the Canadian delegation
to the GAC. Law enforcement officials
have formed a public safety working
group.....any of these representatives
are presumably capable of drafting
papers for their national
organizations and indeed I suspect
someone has drafted this document for
the International Association, given
the specificity of the resolutions. I
am sure many national associations
will endorse it and bring it to their
own national governments, who in turn
will forward it to their GAC
delegations. <br>
</font></font></div>
<div><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida
Grande">Police organizations regularly
lobby for legislative change to
facilitate their work. (it is
nevertheless interesting that this
international organization has a link
for contacting your congressman, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="http://capwiz.com/theiacp/issues/"
target="_blank">http://capwiz.com/theiacp/<wbr>issues/</a>
right under the drop down menu for
what we do). It is not surprising
that they have prepared a resolution
on WHOIS, those of us who have
followed the impact of technology on
police work have seen many similar
resolutions on different issues.
Police face problems of time and
expense, not to mention constitutional
protection. However, It is not like
law enforcement has not had its views
very well represented at ICANN over
many years. Given, as Michele has
pointed out, that the bar for
membership on this working group is
exceedingly low (show up) it seems to
me the issue we need to worry about
is, who does not have the time and
money to show up.<br>
</font></font></div>
<div>Stephanie Perrin<br>
</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_moz-cite-prefix">On
2017-03-05 10:57, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight wrote:<br>
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<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <a
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<b>Subject: </b>RE:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international
law enforcement association
resolution regarding domain
registration data</span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I’m concerned that this
could turn into an unending
administrative workload for staff
and would like them to focus their
time in helping us do our
deliberations. I am now sorry I
made the suggestion.</span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Marika has made a good
suggestion on the leadership list
that we encourage all members to
send our latest WG update to any
organizations that may have a stake
in what we are doing and invite them
to join as members or observers.</span></div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Chuck</span></div>
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<div
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">
Michele Neylon - Blacknight [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_moz-txt-link-freetext"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
target="_blank">mailto:michele@blacknight.com</a><wbr>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 05,
2017 8:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ayden Férdeline <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank"><icann@ferdeline.com></a>;
Gomes, Chuck <a
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class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target="_blank"><cgomes@verisign.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international
law enforcement association
resolution regarding domain
registration data</span></div>
</div>
</div>
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class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Ayden</span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">If you supply the names and
contact details for organisations
who you think should be invited to
contribute in some form then I’m
sure that we can deal with it. <br>
However so far you haven’t.</span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">As others have pointed out,
the ICANN processes are open to
everyone. The barrier to entry is
incredibly low. All you need to do
is turn up.</span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Input is always welcome and
encouraged.</span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards</span></div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></div>
<div
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">Mr Michele
Neylon</span></div>
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span> </b><span
style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Ayden Férdeline
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday 4 March
2017 at 19:44<br>
<b>To: </b>Chuck Gomes <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international
law enforcement association
resolution regarding domain
registration data</span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">If
the invitation to this association
will be going out on ICANN
letterhead and facilitated by ICANN
staff, I consider it only fair that
other invitations be sent out in the
same manner.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
<br>
Ayden </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
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</div>
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</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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Original Message --------</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Subject:
RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
international law enforcement
association resolution regarding
domain registration data</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Local
Time: 4 March 2017 7:40 PM</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">UTC
Time: 4 March 2017 19:40</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">From:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">To:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I
suggest you invite them
Ayden. If you are bothered by
the fact that I asked staff to
contact the association I will
cancel my request of staff and
encourage others to do that.</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Chuck</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></span></div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b></span><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">
Ayden Férdeline [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">mailto:icann@ferdeline.com</a>]
</span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
<span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b>Sent:</b>
Saturday, March 04, 2017 2:15
PM</span><br>
<span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b>To:</b>
Gomes, Chuck <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>></span><br>
<span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b>Cc:</b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">
gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span><br>
<span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b>Subject:</b>
[EXTERNAL] RE:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
international law enforcement
association resolution
regarding domain registration
data</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">If
we are going to send an invite
letter to this organisation
requesting their participation,
I am happy to provide a list of
other organisations whose voices
are missing from this WG so that
ICANN staff can invite them to
participate as well. Thanks.</div>
</div>
<div>
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class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">-
Ayden </div>
</div>
</div>
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</div>
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<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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Original Message --------</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Subject:
RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
international law enforcement
association resolution
regarding domain registration
data</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Local
Time: 4 March 2017 7:10 PM</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">UTC
Time: 4 March 2017 19:10</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">From:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com"
target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">To:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>></div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Very
well said Greg.</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">It
seems to me that we should
reach out to them and
invite them to have a
representative or
representatives join our
WG.</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Marika/Lisa
– Would one of you please
prepare an invitation
letter and identify who
and where we should send
it.</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Chuck</span></span></div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></span></div>
<div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b></span><span
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_size"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener
noreferrer"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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[EXTERNAL] Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
international law
enforcement association
resolution regarding
domain registration data</span></span></div>
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_gmailmsg">"They
can ask for anything they
like, it is not like it
has legal binding status.
It is a wish list, nothing
more..."</div>
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">This
is no different than any
other stakeholder (or group
of stakeholders). Even GAC
members. So their input
should be accepted on an
equal footing with any other
input. There seems to be a
curious amount of effort
devoted to discounting this
input, much of it based on
identity (or opinions about
that identity) rather than
substance.</div>
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">On
top of giving due
consideration to their
input, it may also be
appropriate to engage in
outreach and engagement with
this organization.
Participation in the
multistakeholder process
would be more useful in the
long run vs. issuing
resolutions. Useful for
them, useful for all of us,
and useful for the process.</div>
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">As
an INGO of LE professionals,
there may be no existing
SO/AC that would be an
appropriate "home" for the
IOCP, which makes it all the
more important that they
understand they are welcome
to participate, as well as
to communicate in other ways
(such as resolutions).</div>
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Subject:
Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
international law
enforcement
association
resolution regarding
domain registration
data</div>
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<div
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Time: 3 March 2017
9:21 AM</div>
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Time: 3 March 2017
09:21</div>
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_gmailmsg">Good
thing that police are
law "enforcement" not
legislators. They can
ask for anything they
like, it is not like
it has legal binding
status. It is a wish
list, nothing more...</div>
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<div
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02.03.2017 um 19:35
schrieb Greg Aaron:</div>
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<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">The
International
Association of
Chiefs of Police
(IACP) has issued
an official
resolution
regarding domain
name registration
data. </div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">The
resolution
requests that
ICANN and related
parties provide
“continued access
to publicly
available
databases
concerning the
allocation of
Internet
resources, and in
situations where
the maintenance of
these databases
may conflict with
privacy
regulation,
business concerns,
or data-mining
prevention
efforts, fully
consult with the
International law
enforcement to
assist in the
resolution of
these potential
conflicts before
removing or
restricting law
enforcement access
to this critical
information; and…
that IACP
membership
coordinate the
above efforts to
achieve the goal
of providing
consistent, equal,
and uniform access
to the
above-referenced
resources for all
of the
international law
enforcement
community.”</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Founded
in 1893, the IACP
(<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener
noreferrer"
href="http://www.iacp.org"
target="_blank">www.iacp.org</a>)
is the
professional
association for
law enforcement
officers, with
members in 133
countries
worldwide,
primarily
leadership-level
personnel in
national,
state/provincial,
and local
agencies. "The
Association's
goals are to
advance the
science and art of
police services;
to develop and
disseminate
improved
administrative,
technical and
operational
practices and
promote their use
in police work; to
foster police
cooperation and
the exchange of
information and
experience among
police
administrators
throughout the
world....and to
encourage
adherence of all
police officers to
high professional
standards of
performance and
conduct."</div>
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class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_m-8753655803420240241msoplaintext">The
text of the full
resolution is
below and contains
the rationales.
It notes that loss
of access to the
currently
available data
“would severely
cripple or
eliminate the
ability of law
enforcement
agencies to
conduct
investigation in a
timely manner.”</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_m-8753655803420240241msoplaintext"> </div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_m-8753655803420240241msoplaintext">The
document is
attached, and also
at: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="noopener
noreferrer"
href="http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions"
target="_blank">http://www.theiacp.org/<wbr>Resolutions</a> </div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">I
kindly request
that this be added
to our bank of
reference
materials.
(Thanks, Lisa and
Michelle.)</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal"> </div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Support
for Law
Enforcement Access
to Publicly
Available and
Accurate Internet
Address
Registration Data
to include privacy
protected
registrant
information and
related Forensic
Resources to
facilitate
investigation of
Cybercrime and
Cyber Enabled
Crime</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">Submitted
by: Communications
and Technology
Committee</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">CTC.06.t16</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
this is an updated
version of an
expired 2005
adopted resolution
then submitted by
the Communications
and Technology
Committee as
CT23.a05 and
adopted at the
112th Annual
Conference; and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
the lawful
investigation of
Internet
communications is
one of the most
valuable tools
available to law
enforcement in
identifying both
the perpetrators
and victims of
crime; and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
the Internet is
global in nature,
and as such, poses
challenges when
conducting
multiagency
international
investigations,
including delays
imposed when
obtaining
international
legal process; and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
electronic or
digital evidence
associated with
the Internet is
fleeting in
nature, and law
enforcement
officials must
obtain timely
access to this
information to
fulfill law
enforcement
duties; and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
criminals use the
anonymity and
international
nature of the
Internet, and the
fleeting nature of
electronic or
digital evidence,
to thwart law
enforcement
investigations;
and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
publicly available
databases
containing
information
involving the
allocation of
Internet resources
and who they are
assigned to, such
as Internet
Protocol address
space and domain
names, are a
critical tool used
by law
enforcement, and
because these
databases are
public in nature,
allow law
enforcement
agencies access to
conduct
investigations in
the most timely
manner possible;
and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHERAS,
allocation of
Internet resources
is expanding
rapidly due to
impending
exhaustion of
Internet Protocol
Version 4 address
space and the
subsequent and
simultaneous
implementation of
Internet Protocol
Version 6 as well
as the
implementation of
numerous new top
level domains by
the Internet
Corporation for
the Assigned Names
and Numbers
(ICANN), accurate
and easily
accessible
registrant
information is now
even more
important to law
enforcement than
in 2005 when the
original
resolution was
adopted; and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
ICANN and its
International
members involved
in the creation of
policy consensus
and administration
of this
information
currently are
considering new
registrant data
policy which may
seek to restrict
or eliminate fluid
public access due
to business,
privacy, or
data-mining
concerns; and</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">WHEREAS,
the elimination or
restriction of
easy fluid access
to this
information would
severely cripple
or eliminate the
ability of law
enforcement
agencies to
conduct
investigation in a
timely manner; now
therefore be it</div>
<div
class="m_4596522363738953646aolmail_MsoNormal">RESOLVED,
that the
International
Association of
Chiefs of Police
(IACP) strongly
urges the related
Internet
administration
communities,
including
governments,
regional Internet
registries, the
Internet
Corporation for
Assigned Names and
Numbers, Internet
Service Providers,
domain-name
registries,
domain-name
registrars, and
Internet service
providers to
assist law
enforcement by
providing
continued access
to publicly
available
databases
concerning the
allocation of
Internet
resources, and in
situations where
the maintenance of
these databases
may conflict with
privacy
regulation,
business concerns,
or data-mining
prevention
efforts, fully
consult with the
International law
enforcement to
assist in the
resolution of
these potential
conflicts before
removing or
restricting law
enforcement access
to this critical
information; and
be it</div>
<div
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RESOLVED, that the
IACP membership
coordinate the
above efforts to
achieve the goal
of providing
consistent, equal,
and uniform access
to the
above-referenced
resources for all
of the
international law
enforcement
community.</div>
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Key-Systems GmbH
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Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Best regards,
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- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
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Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
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