<html>

  <head>

    <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">

  </head>

  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">

    <p>As Robert Heinlein already correctly wrote half a century ago:</p>

    <p>"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch"</p>

    <p>Someone will have to pay for it. Free whois just means either the

      community or the customer pays for it some way or another. <br>

    </p>

    <p>So why not rather find a legally compliant solution that would

      fit the requirements?</p>

    <p>Volker<br>

    </p>

    <br>

    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 23.03.2017 um 15:11 schrieb John

      Bambenek:<br>

    </div>

    <blockquote

      cite="mid:7EA20756-9CE7-401F-9AEE-D97427992748@bambenekconsulting.com"

      type="cite">

      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">

      <div>Soon all of you will be forced to offer whois privacy for

        free. </div>

      <div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>

      </div>

      <div id="AppleMailSignature">I'll leave it to you to figure out

        the economics. <br>

        <br>

        Sent from my iPhone</div>

      <div><br>

        On Mar 23, 2017, at 09:07, Volker Greimann &lt;<a

          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;

        wrote:<br>

        <br>

      </div>

      <blockquote type="cite">

        <div>

          <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8"

            http-equiv="Content-Type">

          <p>Hi Allison,<br>

          </p>

          <br>

          <blockquote

cite="mid:CACLR7wJbdJPGWCkC6hZJ=ntzzDfp+PiefoERWJwQ2+Qp363WZw@mail.gmail.com"

            type="cite">

            <div dir="ltr"><br>

              <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Several registrars

                  already offer free whois privacy. They made it work,

                  so you should keep up!</span></div>

            </div>

          </blockquote>

          Most such registrars still charge for the same service, it is

          just that the cost is hidden in their more expensive

          registration fees. Or they do not handle complaints

          appropriately. Or, or, or...<br>

          <br>

          Ultimately, someone is going to pay for the service, and it is

          not the registrar offering it for "free". <br>

          <br>

          TANSTAAFL.<br>

          <blockquote

cite="mid:CACLR7wJbdJPGWCkC6hZJ=ntzzDfp+PiefoERWJwQ2+Qp363WZw@mail.gmail.com"

            type="cite">

            <div dir="ltr">

              <div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>

                </span></div>

              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px

                0.8ex;border-left:1px solid

                rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span

                  style="font-size:12.8px">Maybe dumb bad actors. Savvy

                  bad actors just populate whois with data of unknowing

                  third parties, thereby rendering any verification and

                  validation instruments useless and inconveniencing the

                  affected data subjects as well.</span><span

                  style="font-size:12.8px"> </span></blockquote>

              <div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>

                </span></div>

              <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I'm glad you know so

                  much about how bad actors abuse whois. But from my own

                  limited experiences- I don't see that many input

                  validation mechanisms on bad domains because there are

                  a lot of "555-5555" phone numbers out there and other

                  arbitrary strings.</span></div>

            </div>

          </blockquote>

          I see what comes over my desk. Most domains we find involved

          in whois have perfectly formed and verifiable whois. The data

          just does not match the person who registered it.<br>

          <blockquote

cite="mid:CACLR7wJbdJPGWCkC6hZJ=ntzzDfp+PiefoERWJwQ2+Qp363WZw@mail.gmail.com"

            type="cite">

            <div dir="ltr">

              <div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>

                </span></div>

              <div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>

                </span></div>

              <div>

                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px

                  0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid

                  rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span

                    style="font-size:12.8px">Some points/thoughts :<br>

                  </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">Cost of

                    providing the service (this includes cost of the

                    office, personnel to run it - unless you are going

                    to offer this free "John B" to all ICANN registrars

                    ?)<br>

                  </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">The underlying

                    data may not even be allowed to be provided to the

                    whois privacy service, unless it is in the local

                    jurisdiction of the registrant.<br>

                  </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">Harvesting and

                    storage of whois data to be re-wrapped and sold is

                    illegal and many registrars state this on the terms

                    and conditions.<br>

                  </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">Gated access has

                    to be properly defined for each gate/right of

                    access, an example, a registrar would normally only

                    need access to external whois for the purpose of

                    transferring a domain name - they have no other

                    reason to need access to this data. (registration,

                    is totally different as it doesnt need access to the

                    "whois")  As above, storage of whois data is illegal

                    unless it was for a lawful purpose and the only one

                    I can think of is transfers.  ICANN require

                    registrars to keep this info for upto 2 or 7 years

                    (cant remember which).  This will step on some

                    registrars toes as well as John H's toes whi have a

                    business model around the supply of whois data for

                    commercial gain (namely charging for it).<br>

                  </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">I am sorry to

                    say that none of what the WG will do or complete

                    will stop bad actors, they are smart, they are not

                    dumb (well some of them are:) )</span></blockquote>

              </div>

              <div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>

                </span></div>

              <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">so who decided that

                  these normal uses of whois are suddenly illegal? I

                  hereby declare my allegiance to the dark side. Down

                  with the government.</span></div>

            </div>

          </blockquote>

          Depends on the terms you accept when you make the whois

          inquiry. You may be violating the terms of the registrar or

          registry providing the whois service. <br>

          Please note that ICANN mandates that registrars have an access

          agreement in place for any bulk request of whois data, most

          registrar apply the same rules for use of their whois data in

          general. <br>

          And yes, registrars are free to contractually limit the uses

          the data they provide can be put to.<br>

          <br>

          <br>

          <blockquote

cite="mid:CACLR7wJbdJPGWCkC6hZJ=ntzzDfp+PiefoERWJwQ2+Qp363WZw@mail.gmail.com"

            type="cite">

            <div dir="ltr">

              <div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>

                </span></div>

              <div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>

                </span></div>

              <div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>

                </span></div>

              <div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>

                </span></div>

            </div>

            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>

              <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 8:16 AM,

                Chris Pelling <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a

                    moz-do-not-send="true"

                    href="mailto:chris@netearth.net" target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>&gt;</span>

                wrote:<br>

                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0

                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

                  <div>

                    <div

                      style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">

                      <div>Typo <span

style="color:#000000;font-family:arial;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;display:inline!important;float:none">materialistic

                          should have been minimalistic  </span></div>

                      <div><br>

                      </div>

                      <div>Kind regards,<br>

                        <br>

                        Chris</div>

                      <br>

                      <hr id="m_-6109239658782977786zwchr">

                      <div><b>From: </b>"Chris Pelling" &lt;<a

                          moz-do-not-send="true"

                          href="mailto:chris@netearth.net"

                          target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>&gt;<br>

                        <b>To: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" &lt;<a

                          moz-do-not-send="true"

                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"

                          target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>

                        <b>Sent: </b>Thursday, 23 March, 2017 12:06:01

                        <div>

                          <div class="h5"><br>

                            <b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] a

                            suggestion for "purpose in detail"<br>

                          </div>

                        </div>

                      </div>

                      <div>

                        <div class="h5"><br>

                          <div>

                            <div

                              style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">

                              <div>Hi all,</div>

                              <br>

                              <div>I hope everyone got home safe that

                                attended ICANN58 :)</div>

                              <br>

                              <div>Having just sat through and played

                                catch up on this thread, a few things

                                stand out to me.</div>

                              <br>

                              <div>On one side you have a stakeholder

                                person (maybe group) advocating they

                                will pushing for "free whois protection"

                                provided by registrar which simply won't

                                happen - for a number of reasons (see

                                below), whereas the fundamental issue is

                                what will be collected and who will be

                                able to see it.  Maybe this could be

                                worked on from a materialistic point of

                                view, really what does WHOIS/RDS need to

                                show as its most basic data, I remember

                                a discussion some months ago where

                                Michele mentioned about simply domain

                                name, dates of registration, expiry and

                                DNS servers. (registrar name and abuse

                                contact details are a given to be

                                shown) </div>

                              <br>

                              <div>The storage of such data depending on

                                "whom" the registrant and/or other

                                contacts are located, and where it is

                                being seen from (different jurisdiction

                                for example) will come out further down

                                the line in our deliberations. </div>

                              <br>

                              <div>Some points/thoughts :</div>

                              <ul>

                                <li>Cost of providing the service (this

                                  includes cost of the office, personnel

                                  to run it - unless you are going to

                                  offer this free "John B" to all ICANN

                                  registrars ?)</li>

                                <li>The underlying data may not even be

                                  allowed to be provided to the whois

                                  privacy service, unless it is in the

                                  local jurisdiction of the registrant.</li>

                                <li>Harvesting and storage of whois data

                                  to be re-wrapped and sold is illegal

                                  and many registrars state this on the

                                  terms and conditions.</li>

                                <li>Gated access has to be properly

                                  defined for each gate/right of access,

                                  an example, a registrar would normally

                                  only need access to external whois for

                                  the purpose of transferring a domain

                                  name - they have no other reason to

                                  need access to this data.

                                  (registration, is totally different as

                                  it doesnt need access to the "whois")

                                   As above, storage of whois data is

                                  illegal unless it was for a lawful

                                  purpose and the only one I can think

                                  of is transfers.  ICANN require

                                  registrars to keep this info for upto

                                  2 or 7 years (cant remember which). 

                                  This will step on some registrars toes

                                  as well as John H's toes whi have a

                                  business model around the supply of

                                  whois data for commercial gain (namely

                                  charging for it).</li>

                                <li>I am sorry to say that none of what

                                  the WG will do or complete will stop

                                  bad actors, they are smart, they are

                                  not dumb (well some of them are:) )</li>

                              </ul>

                              <div>As for John H and clowns, I would

                                gladly offer my services to help you get

                                over that :)  My issue/phobia is the

                                dark, sadly for me that is a reality I

                                won't be able to overcome. </div>

                              <br>

                              <div>Kind regards,<br>

                                <br>

                                Chris</div>

                              <br>

                              <hr id="m_-6109239658782977786zwchr">

                              <div><b>From: </b>"John Horton" &lt;<a

                                  moz-do-not-send="true"

                                  href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"

                                  target="_blank">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>&gt;<br>

                                <b>To: </b>"nathalie coupet" &lt;<a

                                  moz-do-not-send="true"

                                  href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com"

                                  target="_blank">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>

                                <b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" &lt;<a

                                  moz-do-not-send="true"

                                  href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"

                                  target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>

                                <b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, 22 March, 2017

                                16:33:22<br>

                                <b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] a

                                suggestion for "purpose in detail"<br>

                              </div>

                              <br>

                              <div>

                                <div dir="ltr">

                                  <div class="gmail_default"

                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">Thanks,

                                    Nathalie. I'm sure many share your

                                    frustration!</div>

                                  <div class="gmail_default"

                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br>

                                  </div>

                                  <div class="gmail_default"

                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">I

                                    think that's a constructive

                                    question, and I'll jump in. My

                                    biggest fear is that in the

                                    monitoring that companies like mine

                                    do for banks, payment providers,

                                    e-commerce companies, etc. that

                                    helps determine whether a merchant

                                    is who they say they are, and

                                    whether they are engaged in other

                                    bad activity (i.e., laundering

                                    money) will be unable to obtain

                                    access to the Whois records we need

                                    in order to preserve the integrity

                                    of the payments system, protect

                                    payment providers from risk, and

                                    derivatively protect consumers. In

                                    other words, my fear is that we'll

                                    lose access to Whois records, which

                                    we need for that purpose. </div>

                                  <div class="gmail_default"

                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br>

                                  </div>

                                  <div class="gmail_default"

                                    style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">Actually,

                                    to be honest, that's not true -- my

                                    biggest fear (to answer your

                                    question directly) is of clowns, and

                                    every time I travel, I ask the hotel

                                    to please check for clowns in my

                                    closet before I enter the room. But

                                    I assume you didn't really want to

                                    know my biggest fear -- you just

                                    want to know my biggest fear in

                                    relation to Whois policy, correct?

                                    Two different things, but yeah -- if

                                    a clown jumped out of my hotel

                                    closet, that would probably be the

                                    realization of my biggest fear.

                                    That's probably nothing that this

                                    working group can do much about,

                                    though. </div>

                                </div>

                                <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">

                                  <div>

                                    <div

                                      class="m_-6109239658782977786gmail_signature">

                                      <div dir="ltr">

                                        <div>

                                          <div dir="ltr">

                                            <div>

                                              <div dir="ltr">

                                                <div>

                                                  <div dir="ltr">

                                                    <div>

                                                      <div dir="ltr">

                                                        <div>

                                                          <div dir="ltr">

                                                          <div>

                                                          <div dir="ltr">

                                                          <div>

                                                          <div dir="ltr">

                                                          <div>

                                                          <div dir="ltr">

                                                          <div>

                                                          <div dir="ltr">

                                                          <div>

                                                          <div dir="ltr"><span

style="color:#073763;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">John Horton<br>

                                                          President and

                                                          CEO,

                                                          LegitScript</span>

                                                          <div><img

                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"

                                                          src="cid:"

                                                          height="36"

                                                          width="96"><br>

                                                          <div>

                                                          <div>

                                                          <p

                                                          style="margin:0.0px

                                                          0.0px 0.0px

                                                          0.0px;font:12.0px

                                                          Helvetica"><br>

                                                          </p>

                                                          <p

style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><b><span

style="color:#444444">Follow</span><span style="color:#0b5394"> </span><span

style="color:#000000">Legit</span><span style="color:#0b5394">Script</span></b>:

                                                          <a

                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"

href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/legitscript-com"

                                                          style="font-weight:normal"

target="_blank"><span style="color:#cc0000">LinkedIn</span></a>  |  <a

                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"

href="https://www.facebook.com/LegitScript" style="font-weight:normal"

                                                          target="_blank"><span

style="color:#6aa84f">Facebook</span></a>  |  <a moz-do-not-send="true"

href="https://twitter.com/legitscript" style="font-weight:normal"

                                                          target="_blank"><span

style="color:#674ea7">Twitter</span></a>  |  <span style="color:#ff9900"><span

style="text-decoration:underline"><a moz-do-not-send="true"

                                                          href="http://blog.legitscript.com"

target="_blank">Blog</a></span></span>  |<span style="color:#ff9900">  <span

style="font-weight:normal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"

                                                          href="https://plus.google.com/112436813474708014933/posts"

target="_blank">Google+</a></span></span></p>

                                                          <p

style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><span

style="color:#ff9900"><br>

                                                          </span></p>

                                                          <p

style="text-align:left;margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><span

style="color:#ff9900"><img moz-do-not-send="true" src="cid:" height="96"

                                                          width="46"><img

moz-do-not-send="true" src="cid:" height="96" width="47"><br>

                                                          </span></p>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                          </div>

                                                        </div>

                                                      </div>

                                                    </div>

                                                  </div>

                                                </div>

                                              </div>

                                            </div>

                                          </div>

                                        </div>

                                      </div>

                                    </div>

                                  </div>

                                  <br>

                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar

                                    22, 2017 at 9:24 AM, nathalie coupet

                                    via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a

                                        moz-do-not-send="true"

                                        href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"

                                        target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;</span>

                                    wrote:<br>

                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"

                                      style="margin:0 0 0

                                      .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc

                                      solid;padding-left:1ex">+1 I must

                                      say I'm a bit disillusioned by the

                                      entire process. This PDP should

                                      look like a negotiating table,

                                      instead it is more like a War of

                                      Trenches.<br>

                                      If stakeholders are not motivated

                                      to negotiate, there is no sense of

                                      urgency and stakes for change are

                                      so low, then I wonder what we are

                                      doing here in the first place.<br>

                                      Could every stakeholder state what

                                      their biggest fear is, and we

                                      could try to avoid their

                                      realization?<br>

                                      Or maybe, in last resort, we

                                      should just vote for the best

                                      proposal and go home?<br>

                                      <br>

                                      Nathalie<br>

                                      <br>

                                      <br>

                                      Sent from my iPhone<br>

                                      <div

                                        class="m_-6109239658782977786HOEnZb">

                                        <div

                                          class="m_-6109239658782977786h5"><br>

                                          &gt; On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:06

                                          PM, Andrew Sullivan &lt;<a

                                            moz-do-not-send="true"

                                            href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com"

                                            target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>&gt;

                                          wrote:<br>

                                          &gt;<br>

                                          &gt;&gt; On Wed, Mar 22, 2017

                                          at 10:19:56AM -0500, John

                                          Bambenek wrote:<br>

                                          &gt;&gt; Yes there is a

                                          difference which is why I am

                                          using both words. And that's

                                          why I am suggesting we talking

                                          about optional and maskable

                                          fields right up front as part

                                          of the requirements discussion

                                          not some ancillary discussion

                                          that happens later after all

                                          the decisions are already

                                          made.<br>

                                          &gt;&gt;<br>

                                          &gt;<br>

                                          &gt; I thought the WG had

                                          already decided on a different

                                          (multi-pass)<br>

                                          &gt; strategy, in which data

                                          collection itself was treated

                                          first with the<br>

                                          &gt; principle that, if there

                                          were some (legitmate,

                                          hand-wave hand-wave)<br>

                                          &gt; purpose then collection

                                          would be considered.  Later,

                                          the further<br>

                                          &gt; question of access to

                                          such collected items would be

                                          taken up.<br>

                                          &gt;<br>

                                          &gt; I don't really care which

                                          way we do this, but it seems

                                          to me that we<br>

                                          &gt; need to stop arguing

                                          about the way by which we'll

                                          reach a result and<br>

                                          &gt; start actually doing work

                                          in the direction of some

                                          result.  The<br>

                                          &gt; meta-discussions about

                                          process are wearing out

                                          contributors (well, at<br>

                                          &gt; least one contributor!)

                                          and creating the condition in

                                          which those who<br>

                                          &gt; want no changes at all

                                          will get their way by

                                          exhaustion.  If ICANN is<br>

                                          &gt; incapable of coming to

                                          terms with the deficiencies of

                                          whois (the<br>

                                          &gt; protocol) after all this

                                          time, it will be revealed to

                                          be ridiculous.<br>

                                          &gt;<br>

                                          &gt; Best regards,<br>

                                          &gt;<br>

                                          &gt; A<br>

                                          &gt;<br>

                                          &gt; --<br>

                                          &gt; Andrew Sullivan<br>

                                          &gt; <a

                                            moz-do-not-send="true"

                                            href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com"

                                            target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a><br>

                                          &gt;

                                          ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>

                                          &gt; gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing

                                          list<br>

                                          &gt; <a

                                            moz-do-not-send="true"

                                            href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"

                                            target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>

                                          &gt; <a

                                            moz-do-not-send="true"

                                            href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"

                                            rel="noreferrer"

                                            target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>

                                          <br>

                                          ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>

                                          gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>

                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"

                                            href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"

                                            target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>

                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"

                                            href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"

                                            rel="noreferrer"

                                            target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>

                                        </div>

                                      </div>

                                    </blockquote>

                                  </div>

                                  <br>

                                </div>

                                <br>

                                ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>

                                gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>

                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"

                                  href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"

                                  target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>

                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"

                                  href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"

                                  target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>

                              </div>

                            </div>

                            <br>

                            ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>

                            gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>

                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"

                              href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"

                              target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>

                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"

                              href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"

                              target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>

                          </div>

                        </div>

                      </div>

                    </div>

                  </div>

                  <br>

                  ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>

                  gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>

                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"

                    href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>

                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"

                    href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"

                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>

                </blockquote>

              </div>

              <br>

              <br clear="all">

              <div><br>

              </div>

              -- <br>

              <div class="gmail_signature"

                data-smartmail="gmail_signature">_________________________________<br>

                Note to self: Pillage BEFORE burning.</div>

            </div>

            <br>

            <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>

            <br>

            <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________

gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list

<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>

<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a></pre>

          </blockquote>

          <br>

          <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 

Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Volker A. Greimann

- Rechtsabteilung -

Key-Systems GmbH

Im Oberen Werk 1

66386 St. Ingbert

Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901

Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851

Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>

Web: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>

<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>

Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:

<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>

<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>

Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin

Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken 

Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP

<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a> 

Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.

--------------------------------------------

Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

Volker A. Greimann

- legal department -

Key-Systems GmbH

Im Oberen Werk 1

66386 St. Ingbert

Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901

Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851

Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>

Web: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>

<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>

Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:

<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>

<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>

CEO: Alexander Siffrin

Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken 

V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP

<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a> 

This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.

</pre>

        </div>

      </blockquote>

      <blockquote type="cite">

        <div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br>

          <span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list</span><br>

          <span><a moz-do-not-send="true"

              href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span><br>

          <span><a moz-do-not-send="true"

              href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a></span></div>

      </blockquote>

    </blockquote>

    <br>

    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 