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    <p>Hi Allison, <br>
    </p>
    <p>I do not know about other registrars, I just know what I see for
      myself. And from that, it is impossible to generalize the
      relationship of domain age and abuse. Some domains are aged remain
      dormant for months or even years before their first abusive use
      while others are abused from the second they are activated. <br>
    </p>
    <p>If there were a way to prevent registrations for abusive use at
      the time of registration, most registrars I know would be very
      happy to know it.</p>
    <p>V.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 23.03.2017 um 16:31 schrieb allison
      nixon:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CACLR7wLQ6UZhANSE=miJUWsUw6_=WJ5EtKWB-djDmBOR6nf5qA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">So we make it opt-in. The most abused registrars
        almost all give free whois privacy (somehow, magically), for at
        least the first year, and malware domains dont usually last a
        year, so it changes nothing.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>&gt;&gt;<span style="font-size:12.8px">No deal. Sorry, but
            you do not get to claim to be the only source of expertise
            in your line of work.</span></div>
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          </span></div>
        <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I'm sure you already know
            this about malicious domains, as you are a renowned expert
            in cybersecurity and researching cybercrime.</span></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 11:20 AM,
          Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <p>Imagine the moaning if we did what he proposed?
                Registrars activating whois privacy for everyone would
                all but eliminate the ability of foreign law enforcement
                and those in the business of fighting cybercrime as a
                non-authorized entity. Whois as it is today would cease
                to exist from one day to the next. <br>
              </p>
              <p>I somehow feel that this is not what you really want.
                So let's try to find a solution that would maintain the
                essential usability of whois and at the same time
                remains within the confines of legal requirements. If
                that is an unreasonable suggestion, you can call me
                unreasonable.<br>
              </p>
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                  <p>  <br>
                  </p>
                  <br>
                  <div class="m_-7410183455761136071moz-cite-prefix">Am
                    23.03.2017 um 15:55 schrieb allison nixon:<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="ltr">The simultaneous moaning over a small
                      whois privacy fee, with the total disregard and
                      ignorance over current whois use cases, and the
                      desire to destroy a company over it(oops, I mean
                      "step on toes"), and impose various other burdens
                      that must be borne by "someone else", because the
                      registrars can't possibly spend a dime... bother
                      me quite a bit more. John's tone is more than
                      justified considering the unreasonable attitudes
                      prevalent here. 
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>If yall are going to claim that all current
                        use cases are not only illegal but invalid, you
                        won't get much sympathy over raising your fees a
                        dollar to make them "legal" again.</div>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at
                        10:29 AM, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
                            target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>&gt;</span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          <div>(Off-list)</div>
                          <div> <br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Who is John Bambenek? His tone (and the
                            lack of substance to all of his comments)
                            really bothers me. </div>
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                              <div
id="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833protonmail_mobile_signature_block">- Ayden
                                 </div>
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                                  <div> <br>
                                  </div>
                                  On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:24 pm, John
                                  Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg &lt;<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                                    target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;
                                  wrote:</div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote
                              class="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833protonmail_quote"
                              type="cite">
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                                  <div>Yes someone will have to pay for
                                    it. </div>
                                  <div
                                    id="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833AppleMailSignature">
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div
                                    id="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833AppleMailSignature">You
                                    will. And I'll be the one that makes
                                    that happen. </div>
                                  <div
                                    id="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833AppleMailSignature">
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div
                                    id="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833AppleMailSignature">Deal
                                    with it.  <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Sent from my iPhone</div>
                                  <div> <br>
                                    On Mar 23, 2017, at 09:18, Volker
                                    Greimann &lt;<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                      target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;
                                    wrote: <br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
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                              <blockquote type="cite">
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                                      <p>As Robert Heinlein already
                                        correctly wrote half a century
                                        ago:</p>
                                      <p>"There ain't no such thing as a
                                        free lunch"</p>
                                      <p>Someone will have to pay for
                                        it. Free whois just means either
                                        the community or the customer
                                        pays for it some way or another.
                                        <br>
                                      </p>
                                      <p>So why not rather find a
                                        legally compliant solution that
                                        would fit the requirements?</p>
                                      <p>Volker <br>
                                      </p>
                                      <br>
                                      <div
                                        class="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                        23.03.2017 um 15:11 schrieb John
                                        Bambenek: <br>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote type="cite">
                                    <div>
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                                        <div>Soon all of you will be
                                          forced to offer whois privacy
                                          for free.  </div>
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                                          id="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833AppleMailSignature">
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div
                                          id="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833AppleMailSignature">I'll
                                          leave it to you to figure out
                                          the economics.  <br>
                                          <br>
                                          Sent from my iPhone</div>
                                        <div> <br>
                                          On Mar 23, 2017, at 09:07,
                                          Volker Greimann &lt;<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                            target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;
                                          wrote: <br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                    <blockquote type="cite">
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
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                                            <p>Hi Allison, <br>
                                            </p>
                                            <br>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div dir="ltr"> <br>
                                                <div><span
                                                    style="font-size:12.8px">Several
                                                    registrars already
                                                    offer free whois
                                                    privacy. They made
                                                    it work, so you
                                                    should keep up!</span>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </blockquote>
                                            Most such registrars still
                                            charge for the same service,
                                            it is just that the cost is
                                            hidden in their more
                                            expensive registration fees.
                                            Or they do not handle
                                            complaints appropriately.
                                            Or, or, or... <br>
                                            <br>
                                            Ultimately, someone is going
                                            to pay for the service, and
                                            it is not the registrar
                                            offering it for "free". <br>
                                            <br>
                                            TANSTAAFL. <br>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div dir="ltr">
                                                <div><span
                                                    style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
                                                  </span> </div>
                                                <blockquote
                                                  class="gmail_quote"
                                                  style="margin:0px 0px
                                                  0px 0.8ex"><span
                                                    style="font-size:12.8px">Maybe
                                                    dumb bad actors.
                                                    Savvy bad actors
                                                    just populate whois
                                                    with data of
                                                    unknowing third
                                                    parties, thereby
                                                    rendering any
                                                    verification and
                                                    validation
                                                    instruments useless
                                                    and inconveniencing
                                                    the affected data
                                                    subjects as well.</span><span
style="font-size:12.8px"> </span> </blockquote>
                                                <div><span
                                                    style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
                                                  </span> </div>
                                                <div><span
                                                    style="font-size:12.8px">I'm
                                                    glad you know so
                                                    much about how bad
                                                    actors abuse whois.
                                                    But from my own
                                                    limited experiences-
                                                    I don't see that
                                                    many input
                                                    validation
                                                    mechanisms on bad
                                                    domains because
                                                    there are a lot of
                                                    "555-5555" phone
                                                    numbers out there
                                                    and other arbitrary
                                                    strings.</span> </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </blockquote>
                                            I see what comes over my
                                            desk. Most domains we find
                                            involved in whois have
                                            perfectly formed and
                                            verifiable whois. The data
                                            just does not match the
                                            person who registered it. <br>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div dir="ltr">
                                                <div><span
                                                    style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
                                                  </span> </div>
                                                <div><span
                                                    style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
                                                  </span> </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    class="gmail_quote"
                                                    style="margin:0px
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style="font-size:12.8px">Some points/thoughts :<br>
                                                    </span><span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">Cost
                                                      of providing the
                                                      service (this
                                                      includes cost of
                                                      the office,
                                                      personnel to run
                                                      it - unless you
                                                      are going to offer
                                                      this free "John B"
                                                      to all ICANN
                                                      registrars ?)<br>
                                                    </span><span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">The
                                                      underlying data
                                                      may not even be
                                                      allowed to be
                                                      provided to the
                                                      whois privacy
                                                      service, unless it
                                                      is in the local
                                                      jurisdiction of
                                                      the registrant.<br>
                                                    </span><span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">Harvesting
                                                      and storage of
                                                      whois data to be
                                                      re-wrapped and
                                                      sold is illegal
                                                      and many
                                                      registrars state
                                                      this on the terms
                                                      and conditions.<br>
                                                    </span><span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">Gated
                                                      access has to be
                                                      properly defined
                                                      for each
                                                      gate/right of
                                                      access, an
                                                      example, a
                                                      registrar would
                                                      normally only need
                                                      access to external
                                                      whois for the
                                                      purpose of
                                                      transferring a
                                                      domain name - they
                                                      have no other
                                                      reason to need
                                                      access to this
                                                      data.
                                                      (registration, is
                                                      totally different
                                                      as it doesnt need
                                                      access to the
                                                      "whois")  As
                                                      above, storage of
                                                      whois data is
                                                      illegal unless it
                                                      was for a lawful
                                                      purpose and the
                                                      only one I can
                                                      think of is
                                                      transfers.  ICANN
                                                      require registrars
                                                      to keep this info
                                                      for upto 2 or 7
                                                      years (cant
                                                      remember which). 
                                                      This will step on
                                                      some registrars
                                                      toes as well as
                                                      John H's toes whi
                                                      have a business
                                                      model around the
                                                      supply of whois
                                                      data for
                                                      commercial gain
                                                      (namely charging
                                                      for it).<br>
                                                    </span><span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">I
                                                      am sorry to say
                                                      that none of what
                                                      the WG will do or
                                                      complete will stop
                                                      bad actors, they
                                                      are smart, they
                                                      are not dumb (well
                                                      some of them are:)
                                                      )</span> </blockquote>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><span
                                                    style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
                                                  </span> </div>
                                                <div><span
                                                    style="font-size:12.8px">so
                                                    who decided that
                                                    these normal uses of
                                                    whois are suddenly
                                                    illegal? I hereby
                                                    declare my
                                                    allegiance to the
                                                    dark side. Down with
                                                    the government.</span>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </blockquote>
                                            Depends on the terms you
                                            accept when you make the
                                            whois inquiry. You may be
                                            violating the terms of the
                                            registrar or registry
                                            providing the whois service.
                                            <br>
                                            Please note that ICANN
                                            mandates that registrars
                                            have an access agreement in
                                            place for any bulk request
                                            of whois data, most
                                            registrar apply the same
                                            rules for use of their whois
                                            data in general. <br>
                                            And yes, registrars are free
                                            to contractually limit the
                                            uses the data they provide
                                            can be put to. <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
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                                              </span> </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="gmail_extra"> <br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                                              <div>
                                                <div
                                                  class="m_-7410183455761136071h5">On
                                                  Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at
                                                  8:16 AM, Chris Pelling
                                                  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chris@netearth.net" target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>&gt;</span>
                                                  wrote: <br>
                                                </div>
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                                                        style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">
                                                        <div>Typo <span
style="color:#000000;font-family:arial;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;display:inline!important;float:none">materialistic
                                                          should have
                                                          been
                                                          minimalistic  </span>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div> <br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>Kind
                                                          regards, <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Chris </div>
                                                        <br>
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id="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833m_-6109239658782977786zwchr">
                                                        <div><b>From: </b>"Chris
                                                          Pelling" &lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chris@netearth.net" target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>&gt;
                                                          <br>
                                                          <b>To: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;
                                                          <br>
                                                          <b>Sent: </b>Thursday,
                                                          23 March, 2017
                                                          12:06:01
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                                                          <b>Subject: </b>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] a suggestion for "purpose in detail" <br>
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                                                          <div>Hi all,</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>I hope
                                                          everyone got
                                                          home safe that
                                                          attended
                                                          ICANN58 :)</div>
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                                                          <div>Having
                                                          just sat
                                                          through and
                                                          played catch
                                                          up on this
                                                          thread, a few
                                                          things stand
                                                          out to me.</div>
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                                                          <div>On one
                                                          side you have
                                                          a stakeholder
                                                          person (maybe
                                                          group)
                                                          advocating
                                                          they will
                                                          pushing for
                                                          "free whois
                                                          protection"
                                                          provided by
                                                          registrar
                                                          which simply
                                                          won't happen -
                                                          for a number
                                                          of reasons
                                                          (see below),
                                                          whereas the
                                                          fundamental
                                                          issue is what
                                                          will be
                                                          collected and
                                                          who will be
                                                          able to see
                                                          it.  Maybe
                                                          this could be
                                                          worked on from
                                                          a
                                                          materialistic
                                                          point of view,
                                                          really what
                                                          does WHOIS/RDS
                                                          need to show
                                                          as its most
                                                          basic data, I
                                                          remember a
                                                          discussion
                                                          some months
                                                          ago where
                                                          Michele
                                                          mentioned
                                                          about simply
                                                          domain name,
                                                          dates of
                                                          registration,
                                                          expiry and DNS
                                                          servers.
                                                          (registrar
                                                          name and abuse
                                                          contact
                                                          details are a
                                                          given to be
                                                          shown)  </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>The
                                                          storage of
                                                          such data
                                                          depending on
                                                          "whom" the
                                                          registrant
                                                          and/or other
                                                          contacts are
                                                          located, and
                                                          where it is
                                                          being seen
                                                          from
                                                          (different
                                                          jurisdiction
                                                          for example)
                                                          will come out
                                                          further down
                                                          the line in
                                                          our
                                                          deliberations. </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>Some
                                                          points/thoughts
                                                          :</div>
                                                          <ul>
                                                          <li>Cost of
                                                          providing the
                                                          service (this
                                                          includes cost
                                                          of the office,
                                                          personnel to
                                                          run it -
                                                          unless you are
                                                          going to offer
                                                          this free
                                                          "John B" to
                                                          all ICANN
                                                          registrars ?)</li>
                                                          <li>The
                                                          underlying
                                                          data may not
                                                          even be
                                                          allowed to be
                                                          provided to
                                                          the whois
                                                          privacy
                                                          service,
                                                          unless it is
                                                          in the local
                                                          jurisdiction
                                                          of the
                                                          registrant.</li>
                                                          <li>Harvesting
                                                          and storage of
                                                          whois data to
                                                          be re-wrapped
                                                          and sold is
                                                          illegal and
                                                          many
                                                          registrars
                                                          state this on
                                                          the terms and
                                                          conditions.</li>
                                                          <li>Gated
                                                          access has to
                                                          be properly
                                                          defined for
                                                          each
                                                          gate/right of
                                                          access, an
                                                          example, a
                                                          registrar
                                                          would normally
                                                          only need
                                                          access to
                                                          external whois
                                                          for the
                                                          purpose of
                                                          transferring a
                                                          domain name -
                                                          they have no
                                                          other reason
                                                          to need access
                                                          to this data.
                                                          (registration,
                                                          is totally
                                                          different as
                                                          it doesnt need
                                                          access to the
                                                          "whois")  As
                                                          above, storage
                                                          of whois data
                                                          is illegal
                                                          unless it was
                                                          for a lawful
                                                          purpose and
                                                          the only one I
                                                          can think of
                                                          is transfers. 
                                                          ICANN require
                                                          registrars to
                                                          keep this info
                                                          for upto 2 or
                                                          7 years (cant
                                                          remember
                                                          which).  This
                                                          will step on
                                                          some
                                                          registrars
                                                          toes as well
                                                          as John H's
                                                          toes whi have
                                                          a business
                                                          model around
                                                          the supply of
                                                          whois data for
                                                          commercial
                                                          gain (namely
                                                          charging for
                                                          it).</li>
                                                          <li>I am sorry
                                                          to say that
                                                          none of what
                                                          the WG will do
                                                          or complete
                                                          will stop bad
                                                          actors, they
                                                          are smart,
                                                          they are not
                                                          dumb (well
                                                          some of them
                                                          are:) )</li>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          <div>As for
                                                          John H and
                                                          clowns, I
                                                          would gladly
                                                          offer my
                                                          services to
                                                          help you get
                                                          over that :)
                                                           My
                                                          issue/phobia
                                                          is the dark,
                                                          sadly for me
                                                          that is a
                                                          reality I
                                                          won't be able
                                                          to overcome. </div>
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                                                          <div>Kind
                                                          regards, <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Chris </div>
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                                                          <div><b>From:
                                                          </b>"John
                                                          Horton" &lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"
                                                          target="_blank">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>&gt;
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                                                          <b>To: </b>"nathalie
                                                          coupet" &lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com"
                                                          target="_blank">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>&gt;
                                                          <br>
                                                          <b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;
                                                          <br>
                                                          <b>Sent: </b>Wednesday,
                                                          22 March, 2017
                                                          16:33:22 <br>
                                                          <b>Subject: </b>Re:
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">Thanks,
                                                          Nathalie. I'm
                                                          sure many
                                                          share your
                                                          frustration! </div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">I think
                                                          that's a
                                                          constructive
                                                          question, and
                                                          I'll jump in.
                                                          My biggest
                                                          fear is that
                                                          in the
                                                          monitoring
                                                          that companies
                                                          like mine do
                                                          for banks,
                                                          payment
                                                          providers,
                                                          e-commerce
                                                          companies,
                                                          etc. that
                                                          helps
                                                          determine
                                                          whether a
                                                          merchant is
                                                          who they say
                                                          they are, and
                                                          whether they
                                                          are engaged in
                                                          other bad
                                                          activity
                                                          (i.e.,
                                                          laundering
                                                          money) will be
                                                          unable to
                                                          obtain access
                                                          to the Whois
                                                          records we
                                                          need in order
                                                          to preserve
                                                          the integrity
                                                          of the
                                                          payments
                                                          system,
                                                          protect
                                                          payment
                                                          providers from
                                                          risk, and
                                                          derivatively
                                                          protect
                                                          consumers. In
                                                          other words,
                                                          my fear is
                                                          that we'll
                                                          lose access to
                                                          Whois records,
                                                          which we need
                                                          for that
                                                          purpose. </div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">Actually,
                                                          to be honest,
                                                          that's not
                                                          true -- my
                                                          biggest fear
                                                          (to answer
                                                          your question
                                                          directly) is
                                                          of clowns, and
                                                          every time I
                                                          travel, I ask
                                                          the hotel to
                                                          please check
                                                          for clowns in
                                                          my closet
                                                          before I enter
                                                          the room. But
                                                          I assume you
                                                          didn't really
                                                          want to know
                                                          my biggest
                                                          fear -- you
                                                          just want to
                                                          know my
                                                          biggest fear
                                                          in relation to
                                                          Whois policy,
                                                          correct? Two
                                                          different
                                                          things, but
                                                          yeah -- if a
                                                          clown jumped
                                                          out of my
                                                          hotel closet,
                                                          that would
                                                          probably be
                                                          the
                                                          realization of
                                                          my biggest
                                                          fear. That's
                                                          probably
                                                          nothing that
                                                          this working
                                                          group can do
                                                          much about,
                                                          though.  </div>
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Wed, Mar 22,
                                                          2017 at 9:24
                                                          AM, nathalie
                                                          coupet via
                                                          gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                          <span
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                                                          target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;</span>
                                                          wrote: <br>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">+1 I must say I'm a bit disillusioned
                                                          by the entire
                                                          process. This
                                                          PDP should
                                                          look like a
                                                          negotiating
                                                          table, instead
                                                          it is more
                                                          like a War of
                                                          Trenches. <br>
                                                          If
                                                          stakeholders
                                                          are not
                                                          motivated to
                                                          negotiate,
                                                          there is no
                                                          sense of
                                                          urgency and
                                                          stakes for
                                                          change are so
                                                          low, then I
                                                          wonder what we
                                                          are doing here
                                                          in the first
                                                          place. <br>
                                                          Could every
                                                          stakeholder
                                                          state what
                                                          their biggest
                                                          fear is, and
                                                          we could try
                                                          to avoid their
                                                          realization? <br>
                                                          Or maybe, in
                                                          last resort,
                                                          we should just
                                                          vote for the
                                                          best proposal
                                                          and go home? <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Nathalie <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Sent from my
                                                          iPhone <br>
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                                                          &gt; On Mar
                                                          22, 2017, at
                                                          12:06 PM,
                                                          Andrew
                                                          Sullivan &lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com"
                                                          target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>&gt;
                                                          wrote: <br>
                                                          &gt; <br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; On
                                                          Wed, Mar 22,
                                                          2017 at
                                                          10:19:56AM
                                                          -0500, John
                                                          Bambenek
                                                          wrote: <br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; Yes
                                                          there is a
                                                          difference
                                                          which is why I
                                                          am using both
                                                          words. And
                                                          that's why I
                                                          am suggesting
                                                          we talking
                                                          about optional
                                                          and maskable
                                                          fields right
                                                          up front as
                                                          part of the
                                                          requirements
                                                          discussion not
                                                          some ancillary
                                                          discussion
                                                          that happens
                                                          later after
                                                          all the
                                                          decisions are
                                                          already made.
                                                          <br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; <br>
                                                          &gt; <br>
                                                          &gt; I thought
                                                          the WG had
                                                          already
                                                          decided on a
                                                          different
                                                          (multi-pass) <br>
                                                          &gt; strategy,
                                                          in which data
                                                          collection
                                                          itself was
                                                          treated first
                                                          with the <br>
                                                          &gt; principle
                                                          that, if there
                                                          were some
                                                          (legitmate,
                                                          hand-wave
                                                          hand-wave) <br>
                                                          &gt; purpose
                                                          then
                                                          collection
                                                          would be
                                                          considered. 
                                                          Later, the
                                                          further <br>
                                                          &gt; question
                                                          of access to
                                                          such collected
                                                          items would be
                                                          taken up. <br>
                                                          &gt; <br>
                                                          &gt; I don't
                                                          really care
                                                          which way we
                                                          do this, but
                                                          it seems to me
                                                          that we <br>
                                                          &gt; need to
                                                          stop arguing
                                                          about the way
                                                          by which we'll
                                                          reach a result
                                                          and <br>
                                                          &gt; start
                                                          actually doing
                                                          work in the
                                                          direction of
                                                          some result. 
                                                          The <br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          meta-discussions
                                                          about process
                                                          are wearing
                                                          out
                                                          contributors
                                                          (well, at <br>
                                                          &gt; least one
                                                          contributor!)
                                                          and creating
                                                          the condition
                                                          in which those
                                                          who <br>
                                                          &gt; want no
                                                          changes at all
                                                          will get their
                                                          way by
                                                          exhaustion. 
                                                          If ICANN is <br>
                                                          &gt; incapable
                                                          of coming to
                                                          terms with the
                                                          deficiencies
                                                          of whois (the
                                                          <br>
                                                          &gt; protocol)
                                                          after all this
                                                          time, it will
                                                          be revealed to
                                                          be ridiculous.
                                                          <br>
                                                          &gt; <br>
                                                          &gt; Best
                                                          regards, <br>
                                                          &gt; <br>
                                                          &gt; A <br>
                                                          &gt; <br>
                                                          &gt; -- <br>
                                                          &gt; Andrew
                                                          Sullivan <br>
                                                          &gt; <a
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