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<p>Hi Allison, <br>
</p>
<p>I do not know about other registrars, I just know what I see for
myself. And from that, it is impossible to generalize the
relationship of domain age and abuse. Some domains are aged remain
dormant for months or even years before their first abusive use
while others are abused from the second they are activated. <br>
</p>
<p>If there were a way to prevent registrations for abusive use at
the time of registration, most registrars I know would be very
happy to know it.</p>
<p>V.<br>
</p>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 23.03.2017 um 16:31 schrieb allison
nixon:<br>
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cite="mid:CACLR7wLQ6UZhANSE=miJUWsUw6_=WJ5EtKWB-djDmBOR6nf5qA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">So we make it opt-in. The most abused registrars
almost all give free whois privacy (somehow, magically), for at
least the first year, and malware domains dont usually last a
year, so it changes nothing.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>>><span style="font-size:12.8px">No deal. Sorry, but
you do not get to claim to be the only source of expertise
in your line of work.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I'm sure you already know
this about malicious domains, as you are a renowned expert
in cybersecurity and researching cybercrime.</span></div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 11:20 AM,
Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Imagine the moaning if we did what he proposed?
Registrars activating whois privacy for everyone would
all but eliminate the ability of foreign law enforcement
and those in the business of fighting cybercrime as a
non-authorized entity. Whois as it is today would cease
to exist from one day to the next. <br>
</p>
<p>I somehow feel that this is not what you really want.
So let's try to find a solution that would maintain the
essential usability of whois and at the same time
remains within the confines of legal requirements. If
that is an unreasonable suggestion, you can call me
unreasonable.<br>
</p>
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<div class="h5">
<p> <br>
</p>
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<div class="m_-7410183455761136071moz-cite-prefix">Am
23.03.2017 um 15:55 schrieb allison nixon:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">The simultaneous moaning over a small
whois privacy fee, with the total disregard and
ignorance over current whois use cases, and the
desire to destroy a company over it(oops, I mean
"step on toes"), and impose various other burdens
that must be borne by "someone else", because the
registrars can't possibly spend a dime... bother
me quite a bit more. John's tone is more than
justified considering the unreasonable attitudes
prevalent here.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If yall are going to claim that all current
use cases are not only illegal but invalid, you
won't get much sympathy over raising your fees a
dollar to make them "legal" again.</div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at
10:29 AM, Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>(Off-list)</div>
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<div>Who is John Bambenek? His tone (and the
lack of substance to all of his comments)
really bothers me. </div>
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color="#888888">
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On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:24 pm, John
Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div>Yes someone will have to pay for
it. </div>
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<br>
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<div
id="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833AppleMailSignature">You
will. And I'll be the one that makes
that happen. </div>
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<br>
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<div
id="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833AppleMailSignature">Deal
with it. <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div> <br>
On Mar 23, 2017, at 09:18, Volker
Greimann <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote: <br>
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<p>As Robert Heinlein already
correctly wrote half a century
ago:</p>
<p>"There ain't no such thing as a
free lunch"</p>
<p>Someone will have to pay for
it. Free whois just means either
the community or the customer
pays for it some way or another.
<br>
</p>
<p>So why not rather find a
legally compliant solution that
would fit the requirements?</p>
<p>Volker <br>
</p>
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<div
class="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833moz-cite-prefix">Am
23.03.2017 um 15:11 schrieb John
Bambenek: <br>
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<div>Soon all of you will be
forced to offer whois privacy
for free. </div>
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<br>
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<div
id="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833AppleMailSignature">I'll
leave it to you to figure out
the economics. <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div> <br>
On Mar 23, 2017, at 09:07,
Volker Greimann <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote: <br>
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<p>Hi Allison, <br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"> <br>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.8px">Several
registrars already
offer free whois
privacy. They made
it work, so you
should keep up!</span>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Most such registrars still
charge for the same service,
it is just that the cost is
hidden in their more
expensive registration fees.
Or they do not handle
complaints appropriately.
Or, or, or... <br>
<br>
Ultimately, someone is going
to pay for the service, and
it is not the registrar
offering it for "free". <br>
<br>
TANSTAAFL. <br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><span
style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span> </div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">Maybe
dumb bad actors.
Savvy bad actors
just populate whois
with data of
unknowing third
parties, thereby
rendering any
verification and
validation
instruments useless
and inconveniencing
the affected data
subjects as well.</span><span
style="font-size:12.8px"> </span> </blockquote>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span> </div>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.8px">I'm
glad you know so
much about how bad
actors abuse whois.
But from my own
limited experiences-
I don't see that
many input
validation
mechanisms on bad
domains because
there are a lot of
"555-5555" phone
numbers out there
and other arbitrary
strings.</span> </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
I see what comes over my
desk. Most domains we find
involved in whois have
perfectly formed and
verifiable whois. The data
just does not match the
person who registered it. <br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><span
style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span> </div>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span> </div>
<div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px
0px 0px 0.8ex"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">Some points/thoughts :<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">Cost
of providing the
service (this
includes cost of
the office,
personnel to run
it - unless you
are going to offer
this free "John B"
to all ICANN
registrars ?)<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">The
underlying data
may not even be
allowed to be
provided to the
whois privacy
service, unless it
is in the local
jurisdiction of
the registrant.<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">Harvesting
and storage of
whois data to be
re-wrapped and
sold is illegal
and many
registrars state
this on the terms
and conditions.<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">Gated
access has to be
properly defined
for each
gate/right of
access, an
example, a
registrar would
normally only need
access to external
whois for the
purpose of
transferring a
domain name - they
have no other
reason to need
access to this
data.
(registration, is
totally different
as it doesnt need
access to the
"whois") As
above, storage of
whois data is
illegal unless it
was for a lawful
purpose and the
only one I can
think of is
transfers. ICANN
require registrars
to keep this info
for upto 2 or 7
years (cant
remember which).
This will step on
some registrars
toes as well as
John H's toes whi
have a business
model around the
supply of whois
data for
commercial gain
(namely charging
for it).<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">I
am sorry to say
that none of what
the WG will do or
complete will stop
bad actors, they
are smart, they
are not dumb (well
some of them are:)
)</span> </blockquote>
</div>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span> </div>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.8px">so
who decided that
these normal uses of
whois are suddenly
illegal? I hereby
declare my
allegiance to the
dark side. Down with
the government.</span>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Depends on the terms you
accept when you make the
whois inquiry. You may be
violating the terms of the
registrar or registry
providing the whois service.
<br>
Please note that ICANN
mandates that registrars
have an access agreement in
place for any bulk request
of whois data, most
registrar apply the same
rules for use of their whois
data in general. <br>
And yes, registrars are free
to contractually limit the
uses the data they provide
can be put to. <br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
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<div><span
style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span> </div>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div
class="m_-7410183455761136071h5">On
Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at
8:16 AM, Chris Pelling
<span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chris@netearth.net" target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>></span>
wrote: <br>
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<div>
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<div>
<div
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">
<div>Typo <span
style="color:#000000;font-family:arial;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;display:inline!important;float:none">materialistic
should have
been
minimalistic </span>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Kind
regards, <br>
<br>
Chris </div>
<br>
<hr
id="m_-7410183455761136071m_-7476423323494997833m_-6109239658782977786zwchr">
<div><b>From: </b>"Chris
Pelling" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chris@netearth.net" target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>>
<br>
<b>To: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday,
23 March, 2017
12:06:01
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<div
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<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] a suggestion for "purpose in detail" <br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div>Hi all,</div>
<br>
<div>I hope
everyone got
home safe that
attended
ICANN58 :)</div>
<br>
<div>Having
just sat
through and
played catch
up on this
thread, a few
things stand
out to me.</div>
<br>
<div>On one
side you have
a stakeholder
person (maybe
group)
advocating
they will
pushing for
"free whois
protection"
provided by
registrar
which simply
won't happen -
for a number
of reasons
(see below),
whereas the
fundamental
issue is what
will be
collected and
who will be
able to see
it. Maybe
this could be
worked on from
a
materialistic
point of view,
really what
does WHOIS/RDS
need to show
as its most
basic data, I
remember a
discussion
some months
ago where
Michele
mentioned
about simply
domain name,
dates of
registration,
expiry and DNS
servers.
(registrar
name and abuse
contact
details are a
given to be
shown) </div>
<br>
<div>The
storage of
such data
depending on
"whom" the
registrant
and/or other
contacts are
located, and
where it is
being seen
from
(different
jurisdiction
for example)
will come out
further down
the line in
our
deliberations. </div>
<br>
<div>Some
points/thoughts
:</div>
<ul>
<li>Cost of
providing the
service (this
includes cost
of the office,
personnel to
run it -
unless you are
going to offer
this free
"John B" to
all ICANN
registrars ?)</li>
<li>The
underlying
data may not
even be
allowed to be
provided to
the whois
privacy
service,
unless it is
in the local
jurisdiction
of the
registrant.</li>
<li>Harvesting
and storage of
whois data to
be re-wrapped
and sold is
illegal and
many
registrars
state this on
the terms and
conditions.</li>
<li>Gated
access has to
be properly
defined for
each
gate/right of
access, an
example, a
registrar
would normally
only need
access to
external whois
for the
purpose of
transferring a
domain name -
they have no
other reason
to need access
to this data.
(registration,
is totally
different as
it doesnt need
access to the
"whois") As
above, storage
of whois data
is illegal
unless it was
for a lawful
purpose and
the only one I
can think of
is transfers.
ICANN require
registrars to
keep this info
for upto 2 or
7 years (cant
remember
which). This
will step on
some
registrars
toes as well
as John H's
toes whi have
a business
model around
the supply of
whois data for
commercial
gain (namely
charging for
it).</li>
<li>I am sorry
to say that
none of what
the WG will do
or complete
will stop bad
actors, they
are smart,
they are not
dumb (well
some of them
are:) )</li>
</ul>
<div>As for
John H and
clowns, I
would gladly
offer my
services to
help you get
over that :)
My
issue/phobia
is the dark,
sadly for me
that is a
reality I
won't be able
to overcome. </div>
<br>
<div>Kind
regards, <br>
<br>
Chris </div>
<br>
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<div><b>From:
</b>"John
Horton" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"
target="_blank">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>>
<br>
<b>To: </b>"nathalie
coupet" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com"
target="_blank">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>>
<br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday,
22 March, 2017
16:33:22 <br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] a suggestion for "purpose in detail" <br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">Thanks,
Nathalie. I'm
sure many
share your
frustration! </div>
<div
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444"> <br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">I think
that's a
constructive
question, and
I'll jump in.
My biggest
fear is that
in the
monitoring
that companies
like mine do
for banks,
payment
providers,
e-commerce
companies,
etc. that
helps
determine
whether a
merchant is
who they say
they are, and
whether they
are engaged in
other bad
activity
(i.e.,
laundering
money) will be
unable to
obtain access
to the Whois
records we
need in order
to preserve
the integrity
of the
payments
system,
protect
payment
providers from
risk, and
derivatively
protect
consumers. In
other words,
my fear is
that we'll
lose access to
Whois records,
which we need
for that
purpose. </div>
<div
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444"> <br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">Actually,
to be honest,
that's not
true -- my
biggest fear
(to answer
your question
directly) is
of clowns, and
every time I
travel, I ask
the hotel to
please check
for clowns in
my closet
before I enter
the room. But
I assume you
didn't really
want to know
my biggest
fear -- you
just want to
know my
biggest fear
in relation to
Whois policy,
correct? Two
different
things, but
yeah -- if a
clown jumped
out of my
hotel closet,
that would
probably be
the
realization of
my biggest
fear. That's
probably
nothing that
this working
group can do
much about,
though. </div>
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by the entire
process. This
PDP should
look like a
negotiating
table, instead
it is more
like a War of
Trenches. <br>
If
stakeholders
are not
motivated to
negotiate,
there is no
sense of
urgency and
stakes for
change are so
low, then I
wonder what we
are doing here
in the first
place. <br>
Could every
stakeholder
state what
their biggest
fear is, and
we could try
to avoid their
realization? <br>
Or maybe, in
last resort,
we should just
vote for the
best proposal
and go home? <br>
<br>
Nathalie <br>
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22, 2017, at
12:06 PM,
Andrew
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> <br>
>> On
Wed, Mar 22,
2017 at
10:19:56AM
-0500, John
Bambenek
wrote: <br>
>> Yes
there is a
difference
which is why I
am using both
words. And
that's why I
am suggesting
we talking
about optional
and maskable
fields right
up front as
part of the
requirements
discussion not
some ancillary
discussion
that happens
later after
all the
decisions are
already made.
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>> <br>
> <br>
> I thought
the WG had
already
decided on a
different
(multi-pass) <br>
> strategy,
in which data
collection
itself was
treated first
with the <br>
> principle
that, if there
were some
(legitmate,
hand-wave
hand-wave) <br>
> purpose
then
collection
would be
considered.
Later, the
further <br>
> question
of access to
such collected
items would be
taken up. <br>
> <br>
> I don't
really care
which way we
do this, but
it seems to me
that we <br>
> need to
stop arguing
about the way
by which we'll
reach a result
and <br>
> start
actually doing
work in the
direction of
some result.
The <br>
>
meta-discussions
about process
are wearing
out
contributors
(well, at <br>
> least one
contributor!)
and creating
the condition
in which those
who <br>
> want no
changes at all
will get their
way by
exhaustion.
If ICANN is <br>
> incapable
of coming to
terms with the
deficiencies
of whois (the
<br>
> protocol)
after all this
time, it will
be revealed to
be ridiculous.
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> <br>
> Best
regards, <br>
> <br>
> A <br>
> <br>
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Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
Fax.: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" value="+4968949396851" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a>
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V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>
CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
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