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Of course, listening to the entire recording is always recommended to provide the context for this week’s poll, which will be distributed soon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Terri Agnew<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-secs@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Mp3, AC Recording, Attendance & AC Chat for Next-Gen RDS PDP WG call on 28 March 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email. The MP3
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">and Adobe Connect
<span style="color:black">recording </span> <span style="color:black">below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working group call held on Tuesday,
</span>28<span style="color:black"> March 2017 at 17:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p style="line-height:15.6pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">MP3:
<a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-pdp-28mar17-en.mp3"><span style="font-weight:normal">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-pdp-28mar17-en.mp3</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p style="line-height:15.6pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Adobe Connect Recording:
<a href="https://participate.icann.org/p6yyqy3g6g5/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=0c7bb89de470d93f84a162222187b6d01d5528430967df8b53079b097215aeae">
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Mailing list archives:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/"><span style="color:purple">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/</span></a><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the GNSO Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group teleconference on Tuesday, 28 March 2017 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minutes.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Chris Pelling:Afternoon all :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Theo Geurts:'lo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Andrew Sullivan:I can only join for a short time<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I have an update to SOI - aadded RDS PDP WG & RPM PDP WG to .12. of the form<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Venkata A:Good Morning Everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Sam Lanfranco npoc/csih:Hello everybody. I will be off for short periods since I am boiling maple sap for maple syrup, and the wood stove needs feeding (-:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Volker Greimann:sounds like a fun activity, Sam<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Sam Lanfranco npoc/csih:I have a question that I will also post to the discussion list. It is not for answering here. Does any one have knowledge of and experience with Octree-Related Data Structures
and Algorithms? There may come a time when that knowledge is valuable here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Chris Pelling:Somebody needs to mute their Mic please<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Chris Pelling:not Chuck <o:p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Chris Pelling::)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/WG+Charter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:http://gnso.icann.org/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-08apr11-en.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Terri Agnew:everyone can scroll themselves<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:These results, and all other meeting materials, can be downloaded here:
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Sara Bockey:Interesting. I completed the poll but I don't see myself listed. Error in the poll?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Marina Lewis:Hi everyone...sorry to join late. I'm also on the phone bridge.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:@Sara, I will check<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:@Sara, I do not see you having submitted a response to this poll. Could you have responded to a previous poll?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Sara Bockey:No. It was this one.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:@Sara, let's discuss offline afterward to determine when, etc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Kal Feher:low volume Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):timestamp allows to identify particular persons who answer , so we could simlify it, just adding the name :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):or to remove the timestamp<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I meant in the slidedeck
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:@Maxim, the timestamp cannot be removed from raw data. Refer to previous discussion and decision on how poll data will be collected and published<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Andrew Sullivan:As long as _somewhere_ we capture the resolution stuff, I don't care. but not having ns, or being on hold, or whatever, is of course part of resolving
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Terri Agnew:finding echo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Andrew Sullivan:I may drop.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Kal Feher:ns details and epp status are def useful for troubleshooting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Stephanie Perrin:WHile I hesitate to opine on things like DNS where I am really still far from sure I understand it......I agree with Marc on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:Alternative: "A purpose of gTLD registration data is to provide information useful in trouble-shooting problems in resolution of a domain name on the Internet."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Greg Shatan:Is that a use, a purpose or both?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Greg Shatan:If the RDS provides info on resolution, that would seem to be a purpose. Even if DNS (zone files) also contain that info.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Greg Shatan:If they are not separated, does this mean these are a single purpose?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:@Greg, either information about resolution is a purpose or it isn't - it doesn't matter if it's a separate purpose<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Marina Lewis:Is there any harm in utilizing the current definition we have now? Can we re-visit later on if we find that it does not work? I feel like we're splitting hairs and consuming a great deal
of time unnecessarily at this point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Terri Agnew:Juan Manuel Rojas just joined on audio only<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Greg Shatan:If we are coming up with a list. of multiple purposes, there is no reason to combine different purposes into a single item.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Sara Bockey:Can you state the revised wording?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:Alternative: "A purpose of gTLD registration data is to provide information useful in trouble-shooting problems in resolution of a domain name on the Internet."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Sara Bockey:thanks....just want to make sure I knew what we were voting on<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer: "1) A purpose of gTLD registration data is to provide information about the lifecycle of a domain name." would remain as-is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):identification of the party which owns the domain?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):ok<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Greg Shatan:This is only "a" purpose. Not "the" purpose. More purposes will follow. Or am I wrong?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Volker Greimann:As for a purpose, should we not also define for whom the information is provided? That definition may become necessary with relation to data protection requirements. If we define a purpose,
, we need to be very specific<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Volker Greimann:down the road<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Volker Greimann:+1 Chuck.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Terri Agnew:finding line that is crackling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Kal Feher:yes. disrupted audio for me<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Greg Shatan:Key punch operator?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Sara Bockey:Question. After the last poll there seemed to be support for language that did not include "authoritative". 50% supported a purpose of RDS is to facilitate dissemination of gTLD registration
data, such as domain names and their domain contacts and name servers, in accordance with applicable policy. Curious why that wasn't the start point for this poll.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:@Sara, we had already polled on that, so we polled on a proposed revision only.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Andrew Sullivan:must drop at least for a bit but likely won't be back. apologies; ietf week here.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:@Sara, possibly when we poll on rewording, we could ask if people prefer original wording, revised wording, or something else, if that would be helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Sara Bockey:@Lisa, it just seems that the results of the last poll were discarded<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:@Sara the goal is to move towards consensus on revised language but I see your point<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):tech meaning of authoritativeness , to avoid confusion ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Chris Pelling:My apologies, I have to drop now, Ill catch up on mp3 recording<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Greg Shatan:Using iPad Pro -- echo comes before I disconnect microphone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:The requirement should drive implementation decisions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:If it's not a requirement, implementation need not provide it. Or vice versa.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Greg Shatan:What is the "purpose" of non-authoritative data?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Sara Bockey:But ultimately the registant data is coming from the registrant or is this only re thin data - technical data?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:bad data is not the same as non-authoritative data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Sara , Registries can make self registrations, the same for Registrars<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):works<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Vicky Sheckler:still disagree with stephanie. Not surei if concept of authoritative shoudl be a purpose, or a requirement, but it would be useful to have some concept that the data source is the authortative
soruce for the data, whether itts in a federated or centraized cystem<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Vicky Sheckler:system - sorry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Michael Palage:The term "authoritative" is often used in Registry Registrar Agreement (RRA) to cite which data is authoritative when there is a conflict beetween Registrar and Registry databases. This
is a important definition which has real world implications<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> John Bambenek:For the record, I would emphatically agree that authoritative be included.... and it's most basic level SOMEONE needs to know WHO owns a domain to authorize transfers, make changes, etc.
Where that happens is another question, but something somewhere has to be authoritative.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Kal Feher:@greg non-authoritative data is a representation of what the entity has (such as the Registry), but is explicitly not represented from the true source of that data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Kal Feher:the true source being the Registrant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Kal Feher:or registrar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):technologically authoritatively ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):not legally
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Sara Bockey:Defining the term would help - just so there is no misinterpretation 8 mos down the road<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Sara Bockey:Understood. Thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:Can we ask a few people to bring back a definition to the WG?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Stephanie Perrin:@Lisa yes, I apologize, I was talking in shorthand. We had a lengthy discussion on the matter, as to what authorititative means. One can have authoritatively sourced bad data. But including
authoritative here seems to me to presume decisions....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):may we add "further clarification might be required?"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Marika Konings:You may want to consider the definition used in the Thick WHOIS final report? "Authoritative, with respect to provision of Whois services, shall be interpreted as to signify the single
database within a hierarchical database structure holding the data that is assumed to be the final authority regarding the question of which record shall be considered accurate and reliable in case of conflicting records; administered by a single administrative
[agent] and consisting of data provided by the registrants of record through their registrars." A proposed shorter version is "the data set to be relied upon in case of doubt"."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Marika Konings:correct<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> tobrien:+1 John Bambenek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:Captured in notes already<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:This was discussed at ICANN58; anyone working on this may want to consult our F2F meeting notes for the back and forth on this topic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> John Bambenek:Re: q4: If accuracy is going to be a requirement of registration data, SOMETHING has to enable enforcing it. It makes sense some of this should be built-in to RDS, but that need not be
only place. For instance, something to flag the various domains rigestered with phone numbers of 000 000 0000 etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Marika Konings:as far as I am aware this is the only definition of the term authoritative in a GNSO context so if that does not align with what this WG understands with authoritative, it is important
to define the term to avoid any kind of confusion or references to previous work that has been done on this term.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:At one point, this purpose said "promote accuracy" and it then moved to "facilitate accuracy"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Marc Anderson:@Marika, I agree it's very important that we define the term to avoid confusion. As Lisa pointed out it's clear from our discussion that we don't all have the same starting point which
makes it difficult to get to consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:Language Chuck is asking about: "5) A purpose of RDS policy is to facilitate fulfilling requirements for the accuracy of gTLD registration data."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Greg Shatan:Maybe we need to ask "Provide the rationale for agreeing" and not just the "rationale for disagreeing.".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:Perhaps some good that comes from this is that we have a few key concepts to define: "authoritative data" and "data accuracy"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Greg Shatan:I would love for those 17 people to provide their rationales now.... :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Marina Lewis:We have been talking about this issue since the tall. Please, we need to move on. Can we just pick something and agree that we can change it later if it doesn't work?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Marc Anderson:@Lisa I think it would be worth the time/effort to have a few key terms defined such as authoritative and accurate at least for purposes of this working group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Fabricio Vayra:COMMENT: So we are saying the purpose of RDS to ensure accuracy? That makes the RDS a verification tool, but how does that help domain name owners mange their domains?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Juan Manuel Rojas:How we are going to deal "accuracy" vs "reality" of data?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:@Fab, I think "ensure" got rejected awhile back.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Stephanie Perrin:Let the record show that Greg and I agree, I think. We may have duelling footnotes, but I think we need to move forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Stephanie Perrin:I am trying to figure out how to reserve the right to object, and not be caught up on the gotchas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Fabricio Vayra:COMMENT: Accuracy seems to be a requirement, not a purpose<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:Proposed footnote: "Accuracy" as it pertains to the RDS will be defined later in this PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Farell FOLLY (Africa 2.0):Anyway, in the final document we are going to include the definitions (intended meaning related to the context) of all those confusing words and terms, aren't we ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Stephanie Perrin:I like Lisa's proposal. Spring n Montreal also sounds good....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:for what it's worth, we have a charter question on Accuracy - we haven't deliberated on it yet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Greg Shatan:Could add that to the fn.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Greg Shatan:Iterative and circular can sometimes be confusingly similar. The difference is that an iterative process makes progress, while a circular one doesn't.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):european ones will have to obey ... btw - qute interesting URL for GDPR understaning
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Vicky Sheckler:the reguation is an incremental step from the Eu data protection directive - agree with theo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Nathalie Coupet:I volunteer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*quite ... and the most interesting part is : Increased Territorial Scope (extra-territorial applicability)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:Susan volunteered<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Theo Geurts:I can reachout to all ccTLDs registries.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Vicky Sheckler:thanks susan!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Vicky Sheckler:@theo - let's work on the questions together first. thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Theo Geurts:@Vicky makes sense :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:Question: By ICANN60, could we be ready to start drafting our first initial report?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):60+ ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:Note that means touching on all 5 questions (not just the 3 we discussed already) at least to some degree, and probably more than "thin data"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Kal Feher:need to drop off<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:Work plan: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_oIxlAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=ZkUclCQQ1PQi9nOhOeqWYYO3t437nT5bAIjfd3WZP8E&s=ePd9aOCimkplSwDBAc2ngKUR40haEEJGK_3X9FuMg14&e">
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lisa Phifer:These questions are reflected in work plan but not the separation of thin/thick - we can add that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Terri Agnew:Next Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group call Tuesday, 04 April 2017 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minutes.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Venkata A:Good Day<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Juan Manuel Rojas:Thanks all.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Nathalie Coupet:Bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Juan Manuel Rojas:Bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Patrick Lenihan:Thanks to Each and All! :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Greg Shatan:Thanks, Chuck and all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Theo Geurts:cya<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Vicky Sheckler:bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Marina Lewis:Thanks all - bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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