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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working group call held on Tuesday, 04 </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">April
2017 at 16:00 UTC.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;"><b>MP3:</b> </span><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-pdp-04apr17-en.mp3
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<p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 15.6pt;"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 15px;"><b>AC Recording: </b></span></font><a href="https://participate.icann.org/p644jplsn4e/">https://participate.icann.org/p644jplsn4e/</a><font color="#000000" face="Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 15px;"><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-13sep16-en.mp3"><br>
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the GNSO Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group teleconference on Tuesday, 04 April 2017 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minutes. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_sMLRAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=n_jBF3SB9Zm9f4jWnOu7SyaXb-qSdOYJ6-E-0dNpV-8&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_sMLRAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=n_jBF3SB9Zm9f4jWnOu7SyaXb-qSdOYJ6-E-0dNpV-8&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:Greetings to everyone.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chris Pelling:Afternoon all :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chris Pelling:wow - feedback</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:huh?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Am I on the wrong call?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:Howdy all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Hi Carlton!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Juan Manuel Rojas:Good afternoon </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:Hi Steph, good to see you</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Daniel K. Nanghaka:Hi All </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Bastiaan Goslings:thanks for having me ;-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:welcome</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> tobrien:(waves) hello all, glad to help</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chris Pelling:PLease unlock and allow zooming</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chris Pelling:^^@staff</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chris Pelling:ta :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Chris done</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Annotated results being displayed now can be downloaded from <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078512_AnnotatedResultsForACDisplay-2DPoll-2D28MarchCall.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=zYaeIr9vJfv0yH_QUwtxUC8HXTXB00sTD4_SDeva8Xw&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078512_AnnotatedResultsForACDisplay-2DPoll-2D28MarchCall.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=zYaeIr9vJfv0yH_QUwtxUC8HXTXB00sTD4_SDeva8Xw&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Aaron:no one here is representing SSAC officially</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:Apologies for tardiness -- my previous meeting ran long</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Roger Carney:+1 Chuck</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:proposed alternative: A purpose of RDS is to facilitate possible dissemination of gTLD registration data in accordance with applicable policy.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Aaron:"possible" adds nothing. Either an RDS disseminates data, or it does not.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Aaron:Either an RDS disseminates data, or it does not. WHAT data is as per policy. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:COMMENT: Aren't things like "accuracy", "accordance with applicable policy" etc. requirements in support of a purpose "Purpose of RDS is to support domain name registration and maintenance by providing
appropriate access to registration data to enable a reliable mechanism for identifying, establishing and maintaining the ability to contact Registrants"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> tobrien:+1 Greg</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Aaron:To say "possibly" is the same as saying that an RDS MIGHT display data. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:+1 Greg</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Fabricio Vayra:and I'd say "display" is also a possbile requirement in support of a purpose</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Note that "access", whether it be public or gated is a future task for this working group to tackle as per the workplan.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Aaron:An RDS WILL display data. What data, and how much, is per policy to be decided. But we know that an RDS will display data, and "possibly" confuses things.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Scott Hollenbeck (Verisign):I don't think I like "display". A sign displays information. An RDS returns information in response to a query.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stuart Clark:how about disemination of selected registrayion data?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vicky Sheckler:sorry i'm late</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Alt D: A purpose of RDS is to provide an authoritative source of information about, for example, domaincontacts, domain names and name servers for gTLDs, [based on approved policy].</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I continue to find it bizarre that we talk about the RDS in terns of collecting the data, since that's what registration systems do. We seem to be equivocating on whether we are making new registry
policy or are not. I _think_ what we're saying is that the data-collection side of the RDS is the union of data in the registrar and registry databases. Is that right?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Can you see my hand up? (once bitten with adobe problems, always shy.....)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:We see it, Stephanie.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:@Stephanie: yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:thanks :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:@Scott: +1 - the RDS is an authoritative source of DNS data in that it collects, stores and ultimately disseminates that data in keeping with policy. So both purpose statements are needed</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Reminder charter asks us to defined requirements and purpose of Registration Data and Directory Services in phase 1, followed by detailed policies to support those in Phase 2</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:@Greg: yes, two verbs may make two statements or conjoin them</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Proposed split: A purpose is to provide an authoritative source... separate from A purpose is to facilitate dissemination....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Disseminate: "to spread or disperse"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mike Hammer:provide access or make available?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:'dissseminate' = spread, communicate, put out, etc.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:@Lisa yes.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:disseminate is active</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):+1 michele</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Here is a combined option: (1) A purpose is to provide an authoritative source... separate from (2) A purpose is to provide access to...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Note that "Access" is to be addressed by this WG per our charter</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Cake:+1 Michele</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):@lisa - yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:@Michele: This word presumes an affirmative response to a request; the RDS is queried.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:To add to Lisa, working out the details on "access" is task 12c in the updated workplan, where the nuances of public and gated "access" will be discussed.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Carlton - which word? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:@Michele 'disseminate'</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Carlton It doesn't say how access is provided (direct query, referral, etc, all on the table for Phase 2)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:+1 Marc</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:@Lisa; Very true!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:Carlton - no it doesn't</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tim O'Brien:appologies</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I thought in CPH we said 'in the technical sense' or 'from an aithoritative source' or something like that for this authoritative business</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michele Neylon:I'd hire a PR company to disseminate our news .. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:the point is that we want the authoritative data in the data-theoretic sense -- not from a cache, not from a stale source, &c &c.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):+1 andrew</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):+1 chuck to poll</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Note last week</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:call ended with an action to WG members to volunteer to define "authoritative"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:Let's punt</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:agreed Andrew</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_rfc_rfc1035.txt&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=yL2CE6gpzgXqdylB8Q3GKYkJ7rBz6plgMbGYjLQQ9Kc&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_rfc_rfc1035.txt&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=yL2CE6gpzgXqdylB8Q3GKYkJ7rBz6plgMbGYjLQQ9Kc&e=</a> ?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mike Hammer:Is the sense that authoritative=source of record?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):that RFC 1035 has some kind of definition </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):of authoritative data</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:@Mike: Yes, that is the sense I understand it. In context, the data is verified and verifiable</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Definition of "authoritative" as per the "thick" WHOIS PDP: ""Authoritative, withrespect to provision of Whois services, shall be interpreted as to signify the single database within ahierarchical database
structure holding the data that is assumed to be the final authority regardingthe question of which record shall be considered accurate and reliable in case of conflicting records;administered by a single administrative [agent] and consisting of data provided
by the registrants ofrecord through their registrars."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:@Amr yes!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:The proposed shorter version was "the data set to be relied upon in caseof doubt".</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:@Amr: +1. No need to reinvent the wheel here!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):+1 andrew</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Right and it has no relation to accuracy</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:All, refer to ICANN58 and last week's call notes for discussion about the Thick WHOIS definition and other interpretations given by WG members</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: Actually, there is reference to the assumption of accuracy of authoritative data in the "thick" WHOIS definition.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:For geeks. "authoritative" means something like "data-theoretic canonical source", not "acciurate picture of the world", which is why "authoritative" is in use in the spec for RDAP. But I appreciate
that other communities use the term in a different way, particularly with the connotation of data accurancy</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:@Amr: Which is why I used the word 'verified' since it includes the notion of accuracy and 'ftiness'. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:+1 andrew</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:accuracy. For nerds like me, authoritative data is _by definition_ accurate in the sense that it's the real data, but it is not accurate in the sense of capturing the world</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mike Hammer:+1 Andrew</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:Agreed Andrew</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 Andrew</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael Palage:Here is the reconsideration request I just referenced - <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_reconsideration-2D17-2D1-2Dsmith-2Drequest-2D2017-2D03-2D16-2Den&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=0cb22avyy0PJ_skXdFUbqFGhi5z9IH1myIF_B_hBtyE&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_reconsideration-2D17-2D1-2Dsmith-2Drequest-2D2017-2D03-2D16-2Den&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=0cb22avyy0PJ_skXdFUbqFGhi5z9IH1myIF_B_hBtyE&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Authoritative IS the goal of 2a, if separated from 2b, hard to poll on 2a without it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Roger Carney:@andrew I like the nerd definition except I would say "may not be reflect the real world"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:The problem with any use of the word accurate assumes verification, a function which we have not yet got to.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:C: A purpose of RDS policy is to facilitate the accuracy of gTLD registration data.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:A: Same thing, plus footnote</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:Amr yes, Thick was not doing what we are doing. We are doing a more or less de novo review of RDS. Thick was not., am I right? It assumed the verification requirements already pushed into the
2013 RAA?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: Correct. It was also meant to be helpful in eventual migration to a de novo RDS, especially from a consistent labelling and display perspective.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):+1 on A and delete</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:How many people on this call woudl prefer to delete 5) entirely?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mike Hammer:Not meant as a troll - Is accuracy important?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Does "set this aside" mean delete 5 or keep as A (with footnote deferring "accuracy" to that charter question)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vicky Sheckler:i don't understand concept re: accuracy is outside of RDS</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mike Hammer:The discussion has been about information going in but what if "We" know that there is inaccurate data in the RDS?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vicky Sheckler:agree with chuck</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Our charter asks this WG to identify requirements for accuracy - that could be none, or a specific set of requirements</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:RDS policy covers what data is collected and maintained, not just what data is accessed and how</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I'd just as soon delete 5. My "don't care about this" remark is basically that I think the policy is crazy. If we had proper controls on access the incentive to lie wouldn't be there except for
criminals, and any policy attempting to make them behave is doomed</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:+1 Jim Galvin</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:lol</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Bastiaan Goslings:I agree with Jim: the RDS is the repository that conatins registration data. It would be agnostic with regard to the accuracy of these data </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vicky Sheckler:disagree re: accuracy outside of RDS. whether it is a purpose or requirement we an discuss, but suggesting that some diligence /s afeguards to improve accuracy in registrant data is important</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mike Hammer:@Alex, I think abuse and criminal activity is a much larger cause of bad data.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Sam Lanfranco npoc/csih:Sorry to arrive late. Read Chat - Working on Discussion Notes:</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Alternative A: 5) A purpose of RDS policy is to facilitate the accuracy [#] of gTLD registration data.Footnote: [#] "Accuracy" as it pertains to the RDS will be defined later in this PDP (see Charterquestion
on Accuracy).</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:@mike agree</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mike Hammer:The solution to "true" privacy concerns is to make private registration services responsible for the domains they are listed as the registrant of.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Policy was added after discussing this same point previously (RDS involvement)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Green = delete now</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Stephanie Perrin:we do not, in my view, have decent metrics on accuracy....where the inaccurate data is coming from, what the metrics of verification efforts tell us in terms of verification policy and implementation,
what use LEAs get from bad data from criminals, what criminals will do if they cannot insert bad data in their registrations, etc. SO I am not optimistic, absent unavailable data, that this will be an easy discussion. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Red = retain for future discussion</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mike Hammer:Perhaps set it aside for a specific time frame.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tim O'Brien:from my own analysis, accuracy is horrid (depending on the region/country/registrar) </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):+1 to chuck proposal to defer on this for now</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Aaron:wait... if you're opposed? Please make choice clear, Chuck.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Proposal: Lacking clear direction, and unlikely to get clear direction from poll, retain Alternative A for now and include clear notation there is divergence on this, will revisit later</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vicky Sheckler:apologies but I need to leave early.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:Please make sure to mute your microphone when not speaking. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:agree w/ Marc but don't care too much</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mike Hammer:Agree with putting a placeholder</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tim O'Brien:same thing</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tim O'Brien:put placeholder, and table conversation</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Alternative is placeholder: "Accuracy as it pertains to the RDS will be defined later in this PDP (see Charter question on Accuracy)."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:That's Alt A without the actual purpose</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Cake:The term tabling doesn't mean the same thing to everyone, best avoided for international meetings</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Sam Lanfranco npoc/csih:Inaccurate sources: typos, out-of-date, deliberate. To minimize inaccuracy typos can be auto-caught.Out-of-date means periodic registration data confirmation. Both have technical solutions.
Deliberate falsehood is an issue in itself and beyond this wg. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:Ok with me</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rod Rasmussen:Green checkmark is there :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Juan Manuel Rojas:+1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rod Rasmussen:I'm always last on roll call...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:sync off, you can scroll yourselves</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:This is merge of <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64076964_Sullivan-2DSuggestionForPurposeInDetail.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=8Rd-AjafXuG50EOGpq-DKee002a04UJRbKxyQk6_JwU&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64076964_Sullivan-2DSuggestionForPurposeInDetail.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=8Rd-AjafXuG50EOGpq-DKee002a04UJRbKxyQk6_JwU&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:and Annex D of EWG report for thin data elements only <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_final-2Dreport-2D06jun14-2Den.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=v5mnTVHgVi3NblxEDZxNjCoUJGeYi6JrjosdUH1wE04&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_final-2Dreport-2D06jun14-2Den.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=v5mnTVHgVi3NblxEDZxNjCoUJGeYi6JrjosdUH1wE04&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:The merged doc being displayed can be downloaded from <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078512_Merged-2DThinDataPurposes-2Dv1.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=vEMKVcEwpapnIP6AxFX9ctePwhDBWhNgbWhzLGUIHNA&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078512_Merged-2DThinDataPurposes-2Dv1.pdf&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Lt5HL89F0a9oXqWXjeWJwZFctTnTxFd2qxRihgIW90c&s=vEMKVcEwpapnIP6AxFX9ctePwhDBWhNgbWhzLGUIHNA&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:Let's bring up annex D</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:@Rod, @Andrew - Andrew worked from specific purposes in the RDS statement of purpose. Rod worked from individual purposes for collection/access. Which is the btetter starting point?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lisa Phifer:Or both</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:I don't care -- the idea that I had was to demonstrate, really, that one ends up at the same point :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:speak up please</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):low volume :(</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marc Anderson:I have to drop. Thank you all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Bastiaan Goslings:When we are talking about 'privavcy'we are talking about who has access to data and under which conditions right? That is a separate question IMO from the one which (categories of) data the RDS
needs to contain based on the purposes we come up with</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:we talking about what is accesable at a "basic" level, gated access comes later. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alex Deacon:gotta run...thanks!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Bastiaan Goslings:@Theo: thanks. That suggests to me that 'privacy' should also come later </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chris Pelling:Thanks all :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Sara Bockey:thanks all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> andrew sullivan:thank you all and bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Nathalie Coupet:Bye all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Theo Geurts:cyas</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Patrick Lenihan:Thanks to Each and All!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Juan Manuel Rojas:Thanks all, bye all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Sam Lanfranco npoc/csih:bye</div>
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