<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493042578462_366581"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493042578462_366580">This was anwered already. Please disregard. </span></div><div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493042578462_366584"> </div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493042578462_366586">Nathalie </div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, April 24, 2017 3:55 PM, nathalie coupet via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv8124816341"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id="yiv8124816341yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493042578462_354285"><span id="yiv8124816341yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493042578462_354347">Do handles make the 'attribution' of cyberattacks more difficult? </span></div><div></div><div id="yiv8124816341yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493042578462_354287"> </div><div class="yiv8124816341signature" id="yiv8124816341yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493042578462_354289">Nathalie </div> <div class="yiv8124816341qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv8124816341yqt6599144764" id="yiv8124816341yqt30761"><div class="yiv8124816341yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, April 24, 2017 2:30 PM, Paul Keating <paul@law.es> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv8124816341y_msg_container"><div dir="ltr">Sorry for the typo.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I was NOT trying to hamstring......<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> On 24 Apr 2017, at 20:15, Paul Keating <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank" href="mailto:paul@law.es">paul@law.es</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> It trying to hamstring the WG. Just asking if this is not something that has already been solved..<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Sent from my iPad<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On 24 Apr 2017, at 19:42, Hollenbeck, Scott <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:shollenbeck@verisign.com">shollenbeck@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>>> -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">>>> From: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-<br clear="none">>>> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:bounces@icann.org">bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Paul Keating<br clear="none">>>> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 1:26 PM<br clear="none">>>> To: Andrew Sullivan <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>>; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br clear="none">>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement<br clear="none">>>> association resolution regarding domain registration data<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Andrew,<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Thank you. That was helpful.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> ""Given this registrant, what other<br clear="none">>>> domains are registered?" is a solved problem, and has been since the early<br clear="none">>>> 2000s.²<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> This is also traceable via alternative means such as consistencies in<br clear="none">>>> various WHOIS fields such as email, address, name, etc.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Perhaps my comments are off point (and if so I am sorry). I think an<br clear="none">>>> issue here is that some people are looking as the issue as being solvable<br clear="none">>>> with one fell swoop. In reality finding out answers to questions such as<br clear="none">>>> yours (above) requires investigation using a plethora of data. An entire<br clear="none">>>> industry exists for this purpose and I don¹t think we should be<br clear="none">>>> considering replacing what has already been existing in the cyber security<br clear="none">>>> marketplace.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Paul, if we accept this statement:<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> "I don¹t think we should be considering replacing what has already been existing in the cyber security marketplace"<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> as a given, we put ourselves in a certain position in terms of the actions we can and cannot recommend. We can make similar statements focused on registry operators, registrars, or any other stakeholder in this space. If we all approach this WG's task with the goal of not changing anything, we're all just wasting our time.<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>> Scott<br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br clear="none">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br clear="none">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><div class="yiv8124816341yqt9158407271" id="yiv8124816341yqtfd64468"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a></div></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div></div><div class="yqt6599144764" id="yqt68639">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>