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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks Rod. Much appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Rod Rasmussen [mailto:rod@rodrasmussen.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 25, 2017 6:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck <cgomes@verisign.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> amr.elsadr@icann.org; gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Action Items and Notes from Next-Generation RDS PDP Working Group Call - 25 April 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That’s correct Chuck, though the way you wrote your own final sentence can be interpreted two different ways as well. ;-b Anonymous access to *ALL* data will not be able to survive going forward so we need to get on with a system that
will work to accommodate the new legal and technical realities that exist and continue to evolve. Given all the waivers for registrars flying around, we’re living in a world where at least access to some of the data elements for some of the registrations
in existence today aren’t available… So going forward, access to *some* data elements via anonymous access methods may still be possible, and access to *some other* elements may require differentiated methods, permissions, authentications, etc. The particular
thresholds for what those elements and requirements would be is up to this group to work out - at least to some level.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I note with wry amusement that there are more and more comments about “what the EWG said” that have been circulating on the list that aren’t necessarily *what we meant*. I’ll take it though that some folks are actually reading the report,
which is a good thing! ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 25, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Gomes, Chuck via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks Amr. The second to last bullet under item 3 below says “the EWG recommended that entirely public anonymous access by anyone for any purpose
be abandoned”. I am not sure that this is worded accurately; it could be interpreted to mean that the EWG recommended that no data elements should be anonymously accessible by anyone and I do not believe that the EWG said that. I think they said that “the
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Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Amr Elsadr<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, April 25, 2017 3:50 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Action Items and Notes from Next-Generation RDS PDP Working Group Call - 25 April 2017<br>
<b>Importance:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>High</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Susan Kawaguchi to send list of questions to the full Working Group for review following the Working Group call, with the goal of finalizing the list for transmission
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM: Working Group members should review the proposed term(s) and definition(s) and provide any feedback on-list, preferably prior to next Working Group call</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 1 has the Phase 1 workflow as agreed to in the WG’s work plan and reviewed in Hyderabad to first address the 5 charter questions, in order to answer the foundational
question: whether a next-generation RDS needs to be developed or whether the existing WHOIS can be modified. These recommendations will be reflected in a first Initial Report to be distributed for Public Comment. The WG will then move on to consider the next
6 charter questions, producing a second Initial Report for Public Comment. Only after those reports are produced will the WG try to reach formal consensus to conclude Phase 1. Only if Phase 1 recommends that a Next-Gen RDS is needed, and the GNSO Council agrees,
will the PDP move on to Phases 2/3 to develop policies and implementation/coexistence guidance for a Next-Gen RDS.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 2 shows the Task 12 subtasks in order that the Working Group will be attempting to address them (including key concepts on possible requirements for users/purposes,
data elements and privacy of "thin" data discussed thus far in Task 12.a)</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Working Group has had difficulty in agreeing on key concepts without knowing what kind of access will be permitted --> Working Group Leadership has adjusted workplan
to address Gated Access now as Task 12.b, then revisit users/purpose, data elements and privacy in Task 12.c. This re-ordering is in response to input from many WG members, to stop deferring the difficult question of whether all data will remain public, so
that more progress can be made on other questions, based on the answer to 12.b.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 3 details target dates by which Working Group should try to reach rough consensus on answers to the first 5 questions prior to taking a second pass to frame
key concepts as draft requirements, to be reflected in the first initial report which we hope to start drafting by ICANN60</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">WG members expressed different points of view on whether to focus first on “thin” data only or to address access to “thin” and “thick” at the same time. If the Working
Group stumbles on addressing access to "thin" data alone, Working Group may adjust plan to address access to both "thin" and "thick" data in Task 12.b.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Deliberation on the charter question of gated access (balancing proposed privacy and access requirements) will be done by the Working Group - goal is to base Working
Group decisions on rough consensus agreements for fundamental requirements, including objective data (example: applicable legal requirements)</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Refer to Working Group Charter on "rules of engagement" in order to settle differences of opinion:<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/WG+Charter"><span style="color:#954F72">https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/WG+Charter</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For further guidance on how the PDP process is designed to deliberation upon multiple varying viewpoints to reach consensus policy recommendations, see also GNSO
PDP Process:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#AnnexA"><span style="color:#954F72">http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#AnnexA</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Possible to have a generic discussion on overall requirements for Gated Access before deciding which data elements will be public, and which will not - in that context,
possible to defer discussion on "thin" vs "thick"</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Start deliberation on the charter question/subquestion 5.1: Should gTLD registration “thin” data be entirely public or should access be controlled?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">When determining whether all “thin data” should be public or access to some data elements should be controlled in some way, A balance needs to be achieved between complying with applicable privacy/data
protection legal requirements, and preventing abuse</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo5;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">GDPR will be enforced on contracted parties doing business with customers in the EU, so needs to be addressed using a flexible system that achieves a balance between compliance with applicable
law and preventing abuse - cannot pick which laws the system will comply with</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo5;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The Working Group needs to move beyond theoretical discussion, and address the specifics of the issue (practical examples) in order to answer this and other Charter questions. For example, are
there some “thin data” elements that cannot be made public (published and accessible to anyone, for any reasons) in some jurisdictions?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo5;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Will the Working Group be able to address all concerns relating to all applicable legal jurisdictions? Does it need to in order to answer this charter question?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-- What are the guiding principles that should be used to determine level(s) of access (including law enforcement access)?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From AC Chat: based on the discussion we’ve had to date, I believe all thin whois data should be publicly available as it is either not personally identifiable information, or, in extreme edge
cases (such as a long domain name that includes personal information), then it is clear that that individual has chosen to make such information public.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l11 level1 lfo6;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Privacy concerns apply to users of the Internet, but do they apply to registrants of domain names in the same way? If you register a domain name, are you subject to responsibilities normally associated
with owners of other kinds of property? Is there a higher bar that requires more from registrants</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l11 level1 lfo6;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From AC Chat: to me, the answer is "both". it should be public, but controls for access should be available to limit rates and so on. Note that rate limits are today applied to entirely public
access to WHOIS; rate limits could also be applied to gated access, but the charter question is really more about limiting who can access data and why as opposed to anyone accessing data for any reason.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l11 level1 lfo6;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From AC Chat: Regarding the publication of thin data: Depends - I see no need to publish it, but there may be technical arguments for it. After all, ownership of phone numbers is not [always] public,
land ownership data is [sometimes] gated, even company registration data is gated in some countries and public in others</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l11 level1 lfo6;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The concern raised above is whether there is a legitimate purpose for every data element. If there is no legitimate purpose for a given data element, it wouldn’t be published (publicly or otherwise).</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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any of those “thin data” elements should not be publicly displayed in a new RDS system as they are today in WHOIS? And if yes, why not?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Reminder: This WG is basing deliberation on the Thick WHOIS Definition of "thin" data as a starting point:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>A thin registry only stores and manages
the information associated with the domain name. This set includes data sufficient to identify the sponsoring registrar, status of the registration, creation and expiration dates for each registration, name server data, the last time the record was updated
in its Whois data store, and the URL for the registrar’s Whois service</i>.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l16 level1 lfo7;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Today's WHOIS publishes both "thin" and "thick" data elements, and allows anonymous WHOIS query to all of those data elements - Gated Access might limit access to both what data is accessible (e.g.,
for each purpose), as well as authenticating who is permitted this access. Rate limiting is a separate anti-abuse measure that can be applied to either public or gated access.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l16 level1 lfo7;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From the AC Chat: There are many ways one can "gate" access - but the question on the table is should access remain NON gated (that is, entirely public)</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l16 level1 lfo7;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Reason for not displaying "thin" data publicly: Cannot answer the question without first determining whether there is a legitimate purpose that complies with applicable law to first collect the
data</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l16 level1 lfo7;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Can the need to publish "thin" data be satisfied by other technical means other than publicly displaying it? For example, cell phone numbers are unlisted and that doesn't cause problems even though
landline phone numbers are listed. People find other ways to accomplish their objectives without a directory. Possibly this applies to domain name thin data?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l16 level1 lfo7;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There may be limitations in commercial purposes for access to data, depending upon jurisdiction and applicable law. - Question should be: Does one have a legitimate purpose in accessing the data?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l16 level1 lfo7;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Note: This is charter question UP. For now assume there is some “thin” data with legitimate purpose; charter question GA asks: Should access to that data remain entirely public?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l16 level1 lfo7;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Some believe that the only people who need access to "thin" data are the one's operating the domain name, but the reason why WHOIS "thin" data is publicly displayed is because other operators (operators
of the infrastructure on the Internet) need the means to contact each other - possible reason for ungated public access to "thin" data</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l16 level1 lfo7;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"thin" data that does not include personally identifiable information still has value in terms of access for those who would like to determine which registrar is the sponsoring registrar, and when
the domain name was registered - was it registered prior to an associated trademark is registered, and does the trademark holder have a legitimate reason to seek contact with the domain name registrant?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l16 level1 lfo7;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The Working Group needs to answer the question of gated access to "thin" data using some assumptions, such as that there is a legitimate purpose in collection of "thin" data</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l16 level1 lfo7;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In answer to this charter question, the EWG recommended that entirely public anonymous access by anyone for any purpose be abandoned. Instead, some data elements would be made public, to anyone
for every legitimate purpose, while other data elements would be gated – that is, available to authenticated requestors for authorized purposes only. Refer to the Working Document new Section 5 for a few relevant excerpts and key concepts from the EWG Report.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l16 level1 lfo7;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Working Group members need to provide specific and concrete reasons why "thin" data elements should not be publicly displayed (under the assumption that there is a legitimate purpose to collect
and process this data)</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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on behalf of Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:amr.elsadr@icann.org"><span style="color:#954F72">amr.elsadr@icann.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 9:15 PM<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span style="color:#954F72">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span style="color:#954F72">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Action Items and Notes from Next-Generation RDS PDP Working Group Call - 25 April 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ccTLD registry operators’ measures to comply with the GDPR, as well as from David Cake on an update regarding the Working Group’s working definition of “authoritative”.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Susan Kawaguchi to send list of questions to the full Working Group for review following the Working Group call, with the goal of finalizing the list for transmission
to selected ccTLDs following next WG call</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Working Group members should review the proposed questions to ccTLD operators, and send any feedback on-list prior to next Working Group call</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">David Cake will communicate to the full Working Group by the end of this week proposed definitions/concepts to replace the term "authoritative" proposed new term(s)
to reflect this</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ccTLD questions</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Small team has a list of 13 questions for ccTLD Registries</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Growing list of Registries, seeking contacts to reach out to them</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM: Susan Kawaguchi to send list of questions to the full Working Group for review, with the goal of finalizing the list for transmission to selected ccTLDs
following next WG call</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Small team has found the word "authoritative" to be confusing, and is suggesting not using it</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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new term(s) to reflect this</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Revised Task 12 sequence and timeline</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 1 has the Phase 1 workflow as agreed to in the WG’s work plan and reviewed in Hyderabad to first address the 5 charter questions, in order to answer the foundational
question: whether a next-generation RDS needs to be developed or whether the existing WHOIS can be modified. These recommendations will be reflected in a first Initial Report to be distributed for Public Comment. The WG will then move on to consider the next
6 charter questions, producing a second Initial Report for Public Comment. Only after those reports are produced will the WG try to reach formal consensus to conclude Phase 1. Only if Phase 1 recommends that a Next-Gen RDS is needed, and the GNSO Council agrees,
will the PDP move on to Phases 2/3 to develop policies and implementation/coexistence guidance for a Next-Gen RDS.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 2 shows the Task 12 subtasks in order that the Working Group will be attempting to address them (including key concepts on possible requirements for users/purposes,
data elements and privacy of "thin" data discussed thus far in Task 12.a)</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Working Group has had difficulty in agreeing on key concepts without knowing what kind of access will be permitted --> Working Group Leadership has adjusted workplan
to address Gated Access now as Task 12.b, then revisit users/purpose, data elements and privacy in Task 12.c. This re-ordering is in response to input from many WG members, to stop deferring the difficult question of whether all data will remain public, so
that more progress can be made on other questions, based on the answer to 12.b.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Slide 3 details target dates by which Working Group should try to reach rough consensus on answers to the first 5 questions prior to taking a second pass to frame
key concepts as draft requirements, to be reflected in the first initial report which we hope to start drafting by ICANN60</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">WG members expressed different points of view on whether to focus first on “thin” data only or to address access to “thin” and “thick” at the same time. If the Working
Group stumbles on addressing access to "thin" data alone, Working Group may adjust plan to address access to both "thin" and "thick" data in Task 12.b.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Deliberation on the charter question of gated access (balancing proposed privacy and access requirements) will be done by the Working Group - goal is to base Working
Group decisions on rough consensus agreements for fundamental requirements, including objective data (example: applicable legal requirements)</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Refer to Working Group Charter on "rules of engagement" in order to settle differences of opinion:<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/WG+Charter"><span style="color:#954F72">https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/WG+Charter</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For further guidance on how the PDP process is designed to deliberation upon multiple varying viewpoints to reach consensus policy recommendations, see also GNSO
PDP Process:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#AnnexA"><span style="color:#954F72">http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#AnnexA</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">When determining whether all “thin data” should be public or access to some data elements should be controlled in some way, A balance needs to be achieved between complying with applicable privacy/data
protection legal requirements, and preventing abuse</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l15 level1 lfo14;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">GDPR will be enforced on contracted parties doing business with customers in the EU, so needs to be addressed using a flexible system that achieves a balance between compliance with applicable
law and preventing abuse - cannot pick which laws the system will comply with</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l15 level1 lfo14;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The Working Group needs to move beyond theoretical discussion, and address the specifics of the issue (practical examples) in order to answer this and other Charter questions. For example, are
there some “thin data” elements that cannot be made public (published and accessible to anyone, for any reasons) in some jurisdictions?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l15 level1 lfo14;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Will the Working Group be able to address all concerns relating to all applicable legal jurisdictions? Does it need to in order to answer this charter question?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-- What are the guiding principles that should be used to determine level(s) of access (including law enforcement access)?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From AC Chat: based on the discussion we’ve had to date, I believe all thin whois data should be publicly available as it is either not personally identifiable information, or, in extreme edge
cases (such as a long domain name that includes personal information), then it is clear that that individual has chosen to make such information public.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l14 level1 lfo15;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Privacy concerns apply to users of the Internet, but do they apply to registrants of domain names in the same way? If you register a domain name, are you subject to responsibilities normally associated
with owners of other kinds of property? Is there a higher bar that requires more from registrants</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l14 level1 lfo15;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From AC Chat: to me, the answer is "both". it should be public, but controls for access should be available to limit rates and so on. Note that rate limits are today applied to entirely public
access to WHOIS; rate limits could also be applied to gated access, but the charter question is really more about limiting who can access data and why as opposed to anyone accessing data for any reason.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l14 level1 lfo15;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From AC Chat: Regarding the publication of thin data: Depends - I see no need to publish it, but there may be technical arguments for it. After all, ownership of phone numbers is not [always] public,
land ownership data is [sometimes] gated, even company registration data is gated in some countries and public in others</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l14 level1 lfo15;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The concern raised above is whether there is a legitimate purpose for every data element. If there is no legitimate purpose for a given data element, it wouldn’t be published (publicly or otherwise).</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-- Question to Working Group members: If the Working Group can identify legitimate purposes to collect "thin" data elements, are there reasons why
any of those “thin data” elements should not be publicly displayed in a new RDS system as they are today in WHOIS? And if yes, why not?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Reminder: This WG is basing deliberation on the Thick WHOIS Definition of "thin" data as a starting point:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>A thin registry only stores and manages
the information associated with the domain name. This set includes data sufficient to identify the sponsoring registrar, status of the registration, creation and expiration dates for each registration, name server data, the last time the record was updated
in its Whois data store, and the URL for the registrar’s Whois service</i>.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo16;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Today's WHOIS publishes both "thin" and "thick" data elements, and allows anonymous WHOIS query to all of those data elements - Gated Access might limit access to both what data is accessible (e.g.,
for each purpose), as well as authenticating who is permitted this access. Rate limiting is a separate anti-abuse measure that can be applied to either public or gated access.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo16;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From the AC Chat: There are many ways one can "gate" access - but the question on the table is should access remain NON gated (that is, entirely public)</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo16;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Reason for not displaying "thin" data publicly: Cannot answer the question without first determining whether there is a legitimate purpose that complies with applicable law to first collect the
data</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo16;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Can the need to publish "thin" data be satisfied by other technical means other than publicly displaying it? For example, cell phone numbers are unlisted and that doesn't cause problems even though
landline phone numbers are listed. People find other ways to accomplish their objectives without a directory. Possibly this applies to domain name thin data?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo16;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There may be limitations in commercial purposes for access to data, depending upon jurisdiction and applicable law. - Question should be: Does one have a legitimate purpose in accessing the data?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo16;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Note: This is charter question UP. For now assume there is some “thin” data with legitimate purpose; charter question GA asks: Should access to that data remain entirely public?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo16;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Some believe that the only people who need access to "thin" data are the one's operating the domain name, but the reason why WHOIS "thin" data is publicly displayed is because other operators (operators
of the infrastructure on the Internet) need the means to contact each other - possible reason for ungated public access to "thin" data</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo16;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"thin" data that does not include personally identifiable information still has value in terms of access for those who would like to determine which registrar is the sponsoring registrar, and when
the domain name was registered - was it registered prior to an associated trademark is registered, and does the trademark holder have a legitimate reason to seek contact with the domain name registrant?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo16;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The Working Group needs to answer the question of gated access to "thin" data using some assumptions, such as that there is a legitimate purpose in collection of "thin" data</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo16;background:white">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In answer to this charter question, the EWG recommended that entirely public anonymous access by anyone for any purpose be abandoned. Instead, some data elements would be made public, to anyone
for every legitimate purpose, while other data elements would be gated – that is, available to authenticated requestors for authorized purposes only. Refer to the Working Document new Section 5 for a few relevant excerpts and key concepts from the EWG Report.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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