<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><br></div>+1 to having an open list and a summary list.<br><br></div>-1 to Nathalie suggesting that the debate is just for legal experts. This encompasses wider issues and principles than just law. Something may be legal but not ethical, moral or practical. If this were only about law then we could just pass a law that bad people shouldn't do bad things and be done with it.<br><br></div>Mike<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:07 AM, nathalie coupet via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="m_-1964741499124552720yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493388143383_133606"><span>+1 for having a scribe</span></div><div id="m_-1964741499124552720yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493388143383_133606"><br></div><div id="m_-1964741499124552720yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493388143383_133606" dir="ltr">+1 for having a debate of legal experts (this is way above our heads) </div><div></div><div id="m_-1964741499124552720yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493388143383_133608"> </div><div class="m_-1964741499124552720signature" id="m_-1964741499124552720yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1493388143383_133610">Nathalie </div><div><div class="h5"> <div class="m_-1964741499124552720qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="m_-1964741499124552720yahoo_quoted" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, April 28, 2017 11:03 AM, Michael Peddemors <<a href="mailto:michael@linuxmagic.com" target="_blank">michael@linuxmagic.com</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="m_-1964741499124552720y_msg_container"><div dir="ltr">On 17-04-28 07:47 AM, Gomes, Chuck via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br clear="none">> If any of you have ideas regarding how we can manage list discussion as<br clear="none">> well as meeting discussions in a more effective manner, please feel free<br clear="none">> to share them.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Might I make a suggestion? Have two lists, one for unfettered, and <br clear="none">possibly heated discussion, as this topic is bound to generate strong <br clear="none">opinions. This should require 'less' moderation.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The other list should be a 'minutes' list, for those who believe in <br clear="none">being part of this, that do not have time to read all opinions.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It would require a dedicated 'minute taker', but it could be very <br clear="none">helpful to reduce many of the emails to their important salient position <br clear="none">statements.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Eg.. (Using a short example from me)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">(This is what would be posted on the unfettered list)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">An example why free unfettered access to whois information is important.<br clear="none">We are engaged in identifying actors in spam/fraud/abuse in the email <br clear="none">space, and when we see..<br clear="none"><br clear="none"># 66.155.32.4 2 TheAbigailHaley.com<br clear="none"># 66.155.32.10 2 <a href="http://okfamilies.com" target="_blank">okfamilies.com</a><br clear="none"># 66.155.32.15 1 GameLandNow.com<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It is important to see if this is a single actor, or multiple actors..<br clear="none">In this case, whois reveals that it is a single actor..<br clear="none"><br clear="none">(This is what would be posted on the 'minutes' list.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Michael P: Supports the position of unfettered valid whois access, in <br clear="none">order to identify in aggregate activity across multiple domains, as part <br clear="none">of spam/fraud/abuse detection<br clear="none"><br clear="none">And if there are arguments against that position, it could be as simple <br clear="none">as ..<br clear="none"><br clear="none">John F, Frank C, and 4 others support Michael P's position<br clear="none">Lisa T, Jay F, and 3 others have arguments against (See List)<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">"Catch the Magic of Linux..."<br clear="none">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>------------<br clear="none">Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc.<br clear="none">Visit us at <a shape="rect" href="http://www.linuxmagic.com/" target="_blank">http://www.linuxmagic.com </a>@linuxmagic<br clear="none">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>------------<br clear="none">A Wizard IT Company - For More Info <a shape="rect" href="http://www.wizard.ca/" target="_blank">http://www.wizard.ca</a><br clear="none">"LinuxMagic" a Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd.<br clear="none">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>------------<br clear="none"><a href="tel:(604)%20682-0300" value="+16046820300" target="_blank">604-682-0300</a> Beautiful British Columbia, Canada<br clear="none"><br clear="none">This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and intended<br clear="none">solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed.<br clear="none">Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely<br clear="none">those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company.<div class="m_-1964741499124552720yqt5077813899" id="m_-1964741499124552720yqtfd90626"><br clear="none">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br clear="none">gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br clear="none"></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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