<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">This is an excellent point. We should not make decisions in the requirements that might preclude the most efficient and practical database structure. Were data is duplicated within the system, we should not make decisions about implementation, and certainly not force a form of duplication that creates the potential for problems. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 27 Apr 2017, at 2:15 am, Anderson, Marc via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">As ICANN accredits registrars and already maintains public lists of them, to me it makes more sense to have that data centrally managed/maintained and made available by ICANN. At risk of pre-supposing a solution, RDAP would provide the ability to bring that data together in a single client pulling from separate (more appropriate) data sources.</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I have questions about other fields as well. Name Server information for example is already available via DNS. There is undoubtedly a convenience factor to being able to get that from whois as well. I know that authoritative is a loaded term but in the event that whois and DNS were different I don’t think anyone would consider whois authoritative using any definition of the term. Shouldn’t we consider if it makes sense to continue to provide the same domain data elements in two different places?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Domain statuses have been discussed a little bit by this working group but to my knowledge not in detail. From what I’ve heard so far I’m not sure that data should be available to anyone other than the registrar and registrant. I’m not saying there isn’t a valid use case, but unless I missed it, I don’t think we’ve really had a chance to discuss, much less come to consensus.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Again I realize we are trying to move things forward and if the intent is to table some of these discussions so we can get to the gated access discussion, I get it. It felt to me on the call though that we had boiled things down to since there is no personally identifiable information in traditional thin whois, let’s just have all of that be available for unlimited anonymous access. As has been pointed out in another thread, this isn’t just the “Privacy Working Group”; it’s the “Next Gen RDS Working Group”.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Hopefully that helps explain my hesitation and why I put a red “X” in Adobe.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Thanks,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Marc<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Gomes, Chuck via gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, April 25, 2017 6:02 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl" class="">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda for RDS PDP WG Meeting Tuesday 25 April 16.00 UTC<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Thanks Theo. Do I understand you are saying that you could support thin Whois data elements as public data in the RDS?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Regardless, I would still like to see if we can find a resolution to Marc’s concern as long as we don’t spend an inordinate amount of time on it. I will try to reach out to Marc to see if I can understand his position better. And the Leadership team will try to schedule a call later this week to work on this further.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Chuck<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></a></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>theo geurts<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:31 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda for RDS PDP WG Meeting Tuesday 25 April 16.00 UTC<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Repeating my agreement with the below as mentioned earlier on the call.<br class=""><br class="">Regarding my earlier comments about NO WHOIS, still technically feasible, and in my opinion good to think outside of the box and check what the purpose is, and I think we should keep checking the purpose all the time. For the progress of the WG, it is best to move to gated access and use thin WHOIS for now as available public data.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">For the discussion about gated access perhaps it is an idea look at the IPC/RrSG developed framework for the PPSAI to see if that is sufficient to address copyright and trademark concerns. Could save us work if that is workable.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Best,<br class=""><br class="">Theo Geurts<br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On 25-4-2017 16:40, Victoria Sheckler wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Apologies for missing last week’s and today’s meeting. With respect to item 4 below, based on the discussion we’ve had to date, I believe all thin whois data should be publicly available as it is either not personally identifiable information, or, in extreme edge cases (such as a long domain name that includes personal information), then it is clear that that individual has chosen to make such information public.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Lisa Phifer<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, April 24, 2017 12:51 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RDS PDP WG<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda for RDS PDP WG Meeting Tuesday 25 April 16.00 UTC</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dear all,<br class=""><br class="">The next GNSO Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group teleconference will take place on<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">Tuesday, 25 April at 16.00 UTC</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Below please find the proposed agenda for this meeting, along with links to meeting materials, which can all be found on the meeting page: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/DcPRAw" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://community.icann.org/x/DcPRAw<br class=""><br class=""></a>Regards,<br class="">Lisa<br class=""><br class=""><u class="">Proposed Agenda for RDS PDP WG Meeting 25 April 16.00 UTC<br class=""></u>1) Roll Call/SOI Updates<br class="">2) Plan to complete in-progress tasks<br class=""> a) ccTLD questions<br class=""> b) Definition of authoritative<br class="">3) Revised Task 12 sequence and timeline<br class=""> See<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56986784/RDSPDP-Task12-Revised-21April2017.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1492802630734&api=v2" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">RDSPDP-Task12-Revised-21April2017.pdf</a><br class="">4) Start deliberation on the charter question/subquestion 5.1:<br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Should gTLD registration "thin data" be entirely public or should access be controlled?<br class=""></i> See<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64078605/NewSection5-Intro-KeyConcepts-21April2017.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1492802791000&api=v2" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">NewSection5-Intro-KeyConcepts-21April2017.pdf</a><br class="">5) Confirm action items and proposed decision points<br class="">6) Confirm next meeting date: 2 May 2017 at 16:00 UTC<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""> <br class=""><b class="">Meeting Materials:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/DcPRAw" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://community.icann.org/x/DcPRAw</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; 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