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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working group call held on
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<p style="line-height:15.6pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">AC recording:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> <a href="https://participate.icann.org/p1vpciiph1u/">https://participate.icann.org/p1vpciiph1u/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">AC Chat Next-Gen RDS PDP WG Wednesday, 17 May 2017</span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Michelle DeSmyter:Dear all, Welcome to the GNSO Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group call on Wednesday,17 May 2017 at 05:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting agenda page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_HMPRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Eog9BciBokalwuPa-TgTeJMKfTibesj552YwyZJEn7Q&s=F7m-9N-dE2LFnSWJO_X_l63uB2Xs9RYclgE_VSqwJlQ&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_HMPRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Eog9BciBokalwuPa-TgTeJMKfTibesj552YwyZJEn7Q&s=F7m-9N-dE2LFnSWJO_X_l63uB2Xs9RYclgE_VSqwJlQ&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Chuck Gomes:Greetings all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:Morning <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:not hearing anything, is it me or are we just extra quiet tonight?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:All waiting for call to start<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):@stephanie - extra quiet :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Vaibhav Aggarwal(NCSG)(New Delhi):Good Morning Team<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:I'm on. I'm in an airline lounge at HKG and will avoid talking. Also I'll have to drop in about an hour<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:(oh, and of course hello all :-) )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:No sound here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:sound working for me<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Michelle DeSmyter:Hi Benny, I will send you a private chat, if you are in need of a dialout <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:my experience is that the Adobe near-malware regularly wrecks audio on my machine, and if I kill the browser and restart it often that clears things<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:Will try restart sounds like hungry lions <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Question: it there an agenda of the tutotial / slidedeck going to be shared in advance?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:restart curred it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Document displayed now: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078620_DataOfRecord-2DProposal.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Eog9BciBokalwuPa-TgTeJMKfTibesj552YwyZJEn7Q&s=9XRNW4qaGX6_qoazJfJzRlezpdM5x6htqRiSJgvJ1_I&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_64078620_DataOfRecord-2DProposal.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Eog9BciBokalwuPa-TgTeJMKfTibesj552YwyZJEn7Q&s=9XRNW4qaGX6_qoazJfJzRlezpdM5x6htqRiSJgvJ1_I&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Proposal in document: "2) A purpose of RDS is to facilitate dissemination of gTLD registration data of record, such as domain names and their domain contacts and name servers,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Proposed Definition: "the data set at a given time relevant to a given registration object that expresses the data provided in the then-current registration for that object.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it was an attemt for+<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> David Cake:Thank you everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Poll results summarized starting on slide 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it is minimal, identify themselfs -> without identification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:themselves is the plural of itself. Perhaps add, "inquirers, be they human or entities"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Amr Elsadr:"gTLD registration "thin data" should be accessible without inquirers requiring identification"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:There is no reason to suppose there is a "person" at the end of this at all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):SUGGESTION: gTLD registration "thin data" should be accessible without identification or stated purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:for instance, a mail system could use the RDS to detect new registrations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Amr Elsadr:"gTLD registration "thin data" should be accessible without inquirers requiring identification or stating their purpose"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:(Registrations that are less than a day old are more suspicious as mail sources.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):"without inquirer identification or stated purpose"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:gTLD registration "thin data" should be accessible without requiring identification of inquirers or statement of purpose?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Amr Elsadr:Proposed change "gTLD registration "thin data" should be accessible without inquirer identification or stating purpose".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Note that we are developing requirements to guide policy development; these are not yet policies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:This is a proposed revision to the agreement of 2 May<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Does it make sense to combine option e) with this revised statement?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:For example, Proposed change "gTLD registration "thin data" should be accessible without inquirer identification, authentication, or stating purpose".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:What's the point of changing "requestor" to "inquirer"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:@Greg, inquirer was the term used in the 2 May agreement, but requestor is the term used in our charter - we should pick one<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):removal of word identification and replacement to identificating <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:I don't care whether we call it requestor or inquirer, myself<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):so we do describe process and not actor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:Agree with Lisa that we need to be consistent. It says requester in. a lot of other places.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:Requester and inquirer both identify the actor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Amr Elsadr:@Andrew: Did you mean "without identifying inquirers"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:no we can't create words Chuck. we have enough problems...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Identifying<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:Whatever we use it should be consistent across all uses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:nope<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Patrick Lenihan:They are equivalent words. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Is there a reason to introduce the new term "inquirer"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:I would say requestor clearly define it is a request <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:Would a state actor be a "National Inquirer"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):replacement of themself to requestors is good enough<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Rod Rasmussen:LOL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:Let's stick with requestor(s).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Proposed change "gTLD registration "thin data" should be accessible without inquirer (or requestor) identification, authentication, or stating purpose".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2::-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:Then a theoretical example actor in our examples can be a Notional Inquirer :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:Oooh.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Alex Deacon:lets stick with requestor (v. inquirer)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Patrick Lenihan:Requestors is a stronger word.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:Querier?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:(It's not even the middle of the night for me -- I'm in HKG! -- but apparently I'm still giddy.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:"Clinical giddiness" is an actual diagnosis.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Here's the current Proposed change "gTLD registration "thin data" should be accessible without requestor identification, authentication, or stating purpose".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:That would be "the other Greg" (unless I am the other Greg).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):"stating purpose" --> "stated purpose" ??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:I hate to raise it but should should be must<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:I must agree with Lisa.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Tapani Tarvainen:should must be must<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:I thought we had agreed on must, should does not get us anywhere really...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:I think we agreed about must, yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> David Cake:It is worth noting that a fully authenticated query can still satisfy the RFC definition of anonymity. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:@David: see my note to the list, but that's only maybe true.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Revamped Proposed change "gTLD registration "thin data" must be accessible without requestor identification, authentication, or stated purpose".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):@chuck - yes, all should be nouns - identification, authentication, or stated purpose<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:I think this is good enough<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):I think this is good enough<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:since it doesn't actually use the word "anonymous"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:fortunately :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Greg A has suggested in his poll response: "Access to thin registration data must be provided to anonymous requestors."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):and we don't ask for anything extra from the requestor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:and therefore avoids explaining the lengths one might have to go to to make things anonymous...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):"anonymous" is a red herring<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:@Lisa: yes, and I think that creates a new definitional problem that we get around with the current words<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:because the current proposal says what the requestor does _not_ have to give, rather than trying to create an attribute of the requestor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think we'd better leave the process description and to avoid word anonymous at this stage<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Alex Deacon:I think Lisa's "revamped" change covers things well - including anonymity. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:agree<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> David Cake:In this statement, no we do not have to talk about anonymity. I suspect we will have to continue this conversation later in hte PDP though<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:Why do we need to define anonymous now? Thick data for LEA we may need to define anonymous and untraceable and a whole slew of things but we are only on thin data now,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the defined process might be equal , but I do not think we need anonymity to be mentioned ... <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*equal to anonymity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> David Cake:Nota ble that RFC definition does not necessarily match what many of us regard as true anonymity. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Farzaneh Badii:it's fun!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Tapani Tarvainen:I like herrings but not red ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Rod Rasmussen:Regular Herrings are tasty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:I like matjes herrings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> David Cake:Whether or not true anonymity is possible, the use of privacy enhancing technology to complicate de-anonymisation is well outside current discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Rod Rasmussen:Big +1 to Andrew/Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:+2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):most probably yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Rod Rasmussen:WRT Thin data? Probably not - with gated data, absolutely, so we don't get out of jail, but we can punt for now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:I was going to say no, but agree with Rod we need to later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Tapani Tarvainen:+1 Rod & Steph<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):so we might need to define it later (since we say that there is no authentification required for thin data)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:We _will_ need to define it at some point<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:We do not right now, I agree with David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 @Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:(sorry, I keep dropping, so I'm having a hard time following some of the voice questions.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Alex Deacon:lts leverage an existing definition - no need to define something new. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Alex Deacon:s/its/lets<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:@Alex, are you suggesting we adopt an existing definition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:Once we want to say "you get access to $data if you have $credential" then we'll need to say what $credential means, and that will require some sort of def of authentication
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Proposed WG Agreement (to test with poll): "gTLD registration "thin data" must be accessible without requestor identification, authentication, or stated purpose".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Amr Elsadr:Proposed Statement: "gTLD registration "thin data" must be accessible without requestor identification, authentication, or stated purpose".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Alex Deacon:for authentication yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> David Cake:+1 to Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:ONe would hope we are going to use existing definitions....the question is which one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:and yes, it's not like there are no bodies out there who can tell us what authentication and authorization is :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:Given that any new RDS that can do credential-based stuff is going to use OpenID and OAuth, we should follow those defs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:slide 6 has the IETF definition for authentication<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):side note ... GDPR might be a good reason for THIN data to exist after may 2018 , hypothetically for current THICK Registiries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:"The IETF definition for authentication" is somewhat more complicated, but we don't need to explore that rathole today :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Sara Bockey:i need to drop. thanks all. good discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Benny Samuelsen / Nordreg AB:Problem, we havent clearly defined the thin data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:Can we restate the question?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:@Greg, do you agree with Proposed WG Agreement (to test with poll): "gTLD registration "thin data" must be accessible without requestor identification, authentication, or
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:Thanks, I've green checked.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:sorry, was trying to clear checkmark :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:yes chuck for those two proposed agreements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Amr Elsadr:I believe so, Chuck.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:actually Benny, since we have said early according to policy, that policy may remove some data elements from the thin dtta<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2:"sloppy hand" is a new one....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> David Cake:+1 to Andrews popint about using a defn of authentication that aligns with the technology that will be used to implement it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):at which slide are we now?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Amr Elsadr:@Maxim: Agenda item 4(d) is on slide 7. We're about to get to that now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Amr Elsadr:@Maxim: But Greg and Stephanie are still discussing the proposed statement for the poll on requestor identification, authentication and purpose statement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Note slide 1: We still need to finish deliberating on purpose and data elements to agree upon required "thin data" elements and their purpose<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> marksv:Now we know how Greg reads his fortune cookies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Everyone jump to slide 7<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:I'm afraid I have to drop because I have to go find an airplane<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> andrew sullivan:apologies & bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> marksv:bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):new profession " CAPTCHA recognition operator" :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Greg Shatan 2: Need to drop as well. Bye all. I am not a robot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Comments from those who agreed and disagreed revolved around what reasonable and unreasonable restrictions might be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think legitimate is well defined in laws<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:How would that apply here though Maxim? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I mean we do not need to define it here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:"legitimate purposes" were identified when we deliberated on purpose, we still need to go back to that list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the reason is -> we discuss future policy -> it comes with a contract ... most our contracts have provision of prohibition of illegal activities<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> marksv:what sort of gaming? I don't have that context<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):100k requests per minute is a danger to infrastructure<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):of small parties<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:This clause from the RAA may be somewhat relevant: 3.3.5 In providing query-based public access to registration data as required by Subsections 3.3.1 and 3.3.4, Registrar
shall not impose terms and conditions on use of the data provided, except as permitted by any Specification or Policy established by ICANN. Unless and until ICANN establishes a different Consensus Policy, Registrar shall permit use of data it provides in response
to queries for any lawful purposes except to: (a) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission by e-mail, telephone, postal mail, facsimile or other means of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations to entities other than the data
recipient's own existing customers; or (b) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that send queries or data to the systems of any Registry Operator or ICANN-Accredited registrar, except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or modify
existing registrations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and 1M per minute equal a DDoS <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Rod Rasmussen:gaming may not be the best word - but putting artificial restrictions on access in the name of "systems protection" that really provide unreasonable limits on data access.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:I distinctly recall Michele saying he did not want to be restricted from rate limiting, but perhaps I have miscontrued that....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Rod Rasmussen:For example, after my IP address (which could be a gateway!) hits 100 queries in a day, I no longer get access. Seen these before.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Registries and Registrars need means to protect infrastructure<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Rod Rasmussen:This issue conflates the concepts of "reasonable access" with "systems protection" - what do those mean?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Rod Rasmussen:@Maxim - absolutely agree they need protection.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):perhaps rather than saying something about rate-limiting per se, we need an SLA about the level of access that must be supported.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Tim Chen:+1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Tim Chen:rate limiting already happens today, without any new language or permission needed. I'm more concerned about the opposite. as per Rod and Jim.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Jim, Do we have evidence that we need it (SLA)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> marksv:I'm hearing examples of legit efforts to protect infra -not really any examples of rate limiting as a means to block or obfuscate access<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I mean the way to test load is to put additional load ... <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Note Jim's comment: perhaps rather than saying something about rate-limiting per se, we need an SLA about the level of access that must be supported.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Rod Rasmussen:Time for a cage match!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):@maxim - maybe not. just making suggestions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:my rationale is that we have just agreed a statement that is silent on it and demands access. I think we have to qualify it somehow without getting into detail.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Red if you oppose statement in Q3: There must be no RDS policies that prevent RDS operators from applying operational controls such as rate limiting and CAPTCHA, provided
that they do not unreasonably restrict legitimate access.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> marksv:ha<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Rod Rasmussen:Mortal Kombat<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):we could declare strong non-opposition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:we are still punting the concepts of legitimate and "unreasonably restrict" down the road<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:+1 ROD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:plus there appears to have been no enforcement of the bulk data acccess rules in the RAA, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think refrerence to "reasonable " will lead to situation where unhappy party can complain that the access is not provided without proper reasoning .. and it is
good<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:I volunteeer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:Yes as we can out some research and specific case examples to draw conclusions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:also basis on the different geographies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Lisa Phifer:Chuck, to clarify - you are not asking for a policy that states what is reasonable, but rather what reasonable means in this statement?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:I will be happy to commit to Rod's time zone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Vaibhav Aggarwal::-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:Sure<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:the term is unreasonably restrict, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):holywar style e-mail flaim ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:which is different than reasonable access<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Vaibhav Aggarwal::-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Rod Rasmussen:Probably - we'll see<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Vaibhav Aggarwal:We could come up with Questions in the due course<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:if you find that attempts to restrict access at the moment are IP address related, does that go back to our previous commitment ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Rod Rasmussen:@Vaibhav - see private chat question I sent you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Amr Elsadr:Next week's tutorial webinar will take place immediately following the WG call for one hour.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Jim Galvin (Afilias):bye - thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Patrick Lenihan:Thanks to Each and All! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Stephanie Perrin:Bye!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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