<div dir="ltr">so can you name one specific example of how someone could abuse thin data?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, nathalie coupet via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437" dir="ltr"><b style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287679">Abuse</b><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287680"> is the improper usage or treatment of an </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity" title="Entity" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287681" target="_blank">entity</a><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287682">, often to </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributive_justice" title="Distributive justice" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287683" target="_blank">unfairly</a><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287684"> or improperly gain benefit. In our context, abuse is the improper usage of WHOIS/RDS to unfairly or improperly gain access to information or to game the system. </span></div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437" dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437" dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Here are some of the overarching principles which should guide us when building RDS: </span><br></div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437" dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287894"><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287895"><span style="font-size:14px" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287896">DATA LIFECYCLE PRIVACY PRINCIPLE PROTECTION MEASURE</span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287897"><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287898"><span style="font-size:14px" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287899">Collection Proportionality and purpose specification Data minimisation, Data quality</span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287900"><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287901"><span style="font-size:14px" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287902">Storage Accountability, Security measures, Sensitive data Confidentiality, Encryption, Pseudonomisation</span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287903"><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287904"><span style="font-size:14px" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287905">Sharing and processing Lawfulness and fairness, Consent, Right of access Data access control, Data leakage prevention</span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906"><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287907"><span style="font-size:14px" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287908">Deletion Openness, Right to erasure Retention, Archival, Erasure</span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906"><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906"><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906"><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_291686"><span style="font-size:14px" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_291685">If such principles are not respected, ICANN will be liable. Consumers don't need to have all the thin data when making a query. This could protect them and enable them to have access to the RDS without raising much opposition. </span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906"><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906"><font color="#222222" face="sans-serif" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_292975"><span style="font-size:14px" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_292974">Now, we could discuss the possibility for broader query types. These principles would still apply, but would be contextualized in order to take into account new sets of parameters for each broader query. By increasing granularity as much as possible, while applying these aformentioned principles, we just might find a way to accomodate everyone. </span></font></div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437"><span><br></span></div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437"><span><br></span></div><div></div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287435"> </div><div class="m_-1108286820301507687signature" id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287433">Nathalie </div> <div class="m_-1108286820301507687qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="m_-1108286820301507687yahoo_quoted" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><span class=""> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:00 PM, John Horton <<a href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com" target="_blank">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> </span><div class="m_-1108286820301507687y_msg_container"><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093"><div><span class=""><div dir="ltr"><div class="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">I was going to reply to Natalie's email as well, but Paul's comments capture my thoughts, so: <b>+1. </b></div></div></span><div class="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093gmail_extra"><span class=""><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">John Horton<br clear="none">President and CEO, LegitScript</font><div><img width="96" height="36"><br clear="none"><div><div><div style="margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;font:12.0px Helvetica"><br clear="none"></div><div style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><b><font color="#444444">Follow</font><font color="#0b5394"> </font><font color="#000000">Legit</font><font color="#0b5394">Script</font></b>: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/legitscript-com" style="font-weight:normal" target="_blank"><font color="#cc0000">LinkedIn</font></a> | <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://www.facebook.com/LegitScript" style="font-weight:normal" target="_blank"><font color="#6aa84f">Facebook</font></a> | <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://twitter.com/legitscript" style="font-weight:normal" target="_blank"><font color="#674ea7">Twitter</font></a> | <font color="#ff9900"><u><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://blog.legitscript.com/" target="_blank">Blog</a></u></font> |<font color="#ff9900"> <font style="font-weight:normal"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://plus.google.com/112436813474708014933/posts" target="_blank">Google+</a></font></font></div><div style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><font color="#ff9900"><br clear="none"></font></div><div style="text-align:left;margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><font color="#ff9900"><img width="46" height="96"><img width="47" height="96"><br clear="none"></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br clear="none"></span><div class="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093gmail_quote"><span class="">On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Paul Keating <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank">paul@law.es</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></span><blockquote class="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093yqt3775885078" id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093yqt77589"><div><span class=""><div>Natalie,</div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945AppleMailSignature"><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945AppleMailSignature">Thank you for the email. Im copying the list because i see others have replied to your comment.</div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945AppleMailSignature"><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945AppleMailSignature">I strenuously object to the concept. We are discussing THIN DATA ONLY HERE. Unless someone can explain to me why any of this data set has privacy concerns this is a non-issue. I would certainly appreciate someone explaining what, if any, privacy issues are perceived to be at issue here.</div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945AppleMailSignature"><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945AppleMailSignature">Moreover, while you suggest that the idea escapes the need to declare a purpose, it does nothing but reinforce a subjective criteria based system in which the declared purpose is used to somehow limit the data being retrieved.</div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945AppleMailSignature"><br clear="none"></div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945AppleMailSignature">If i am missing something please let me know. </div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945AppleMailSignature"><br clear="none">Paul</div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945AppleMailSignature"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div></span><div><div class="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093h5"><span class=""><div><br clear="none">On 30 May 2017, at 21:08, nathalie coupet via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></span><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class=""><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_239556">Hi Paul,</div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_239556"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_239556">In the context of thin data, in view of the opposition of some to allow unauthenticated access to all the thin data, the principle of proportionality serves as an over-arching principle at this particular phase in our work in order to protect data from abuse while not restricting access. </div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_239556">Thin data must be proportionate to the query, be useful for that particular query. All and any other thin data foreign to this query should not be shared. This principle potentially avoids having to resort to 'legitimate purposes' which cannot be verified for unauthenticated access. </div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_239556"> </div><div></div><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_239558"> </div><div class="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945signature" id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_239560">Nathalie </div> <div class="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></span><div class="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945yahoo_quoted" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><span class=""> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:44 PM, "Gomes, Chuck via gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> </span><div class="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945y_msg_container"><div id="m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945yiv0605036320"><div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Keating<span class=""><br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:17 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Lisa Phifer <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:lisa@corecom.com" target="_blank">lisa@corecom.com</a>>; RDS PDP WG <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span></span></div>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:52 PM<br clear="none">
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<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span></span></div>
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<b>Action Item: Nathalie Coupet and any other WG members who wish to do so to propose to the WG list a new principle on proportionality for "thin data." All WG members to comment on that proposed principle in advance of next call.<br clear="none">
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</b>we are starting a new thread here which anyone may reply to if they wish to propose (or respond to) a new principle on proportionality for "thin data" access.<br clear="none">
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