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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It probably is not significant to the ongoing discussion, but ARIN did not exist 30 years ago. The functions ARIN now performs were done in the early to mid-90’s by Network
Solutions as part of its cooperative agreement with the National Science Foundation. ARIN was formed by Network Solutions in cooperation with NSF and the community in the 90’s.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>allison nixon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Pelling <chris@netearth.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>Similar someone (I think you Paul) said there is no correlation between IP address and getting personal data (something along that line) - thats wrong too, as the RIR's hold records, LIRs populate that date held by RIRs and depending
on how and when this was updated, could provide personal information (more likely company / corporate info) because in the old days (talking 20 years ago now) records and even 30 years ago for ARIN personal information could have been used.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am glad you brought up IP whois records, because an interesting situation is happening with them right now. Now that ipv4 space is extremely valuable and many ranges are neglected, groups have taken to hijacking neglected space and sell
them for tens of thousands of dollars. IP whois is one of the very few audit trails available to people who don't want to buy stolen goods. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Domains are generally not as valuable, but there is another debate here- it is not purely an issue of privacy vs security. It is an issue of privacy vs the concept of property ownership. If your identity is not associated with your domain
in any verifiable way, do you have a valid claim to the property? If it is all up to the registrar saying "trust me", what assurances exist against a hack, hijack, ownership dispute, or malicious registrar?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Broader issues exist than only privacy. The overemphasis on privacy by this group is beyond absurd<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Chris Pelling <<a href="mailto:chris@netearth.net" target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">John,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I refer you to my original email, the question was how could it be abused, I gave an answer, I did not expect hours or reading on that answer - but it was a fair answer, maybe an
edge case, but still a correct answer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I have not said anything about privacy, all I said was this can gain you an email address by working the system.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Similar someone (I think you Paul) said there is no correlation between IP address and getting personal data (something along that line) - thats wrong too, as the RIR's hold records,
LIRs populate that date held by RIRs and depending on how and when this was updated, could provide personal information (more likely company / corporate info) because in the old days (talking 20 years ago now) records and even 30 years ago for ARIN personal
information <strong><u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">could</span></u></strong> have been used.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">For those who do not know how to lookup an IP: whois <ip> ie. jwhois 80.251.17.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">For those who do not know the accronyms :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">RIR:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">Regional Internet Registries (<b>RIRs</b>) are nonprofit corporations that administer and register Internet Protocol (IP) address space and Autonomous System (AS)
numbers within a defined region. <b>RIRs</b> also work together on joint projects.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">LIR:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">A
<b>local Internet registry</b> (<b>LIR</b>) is an organization that has been allocated a block of IP addresses by a
<b>regional Internet registry</b> (RIR), and that assigns most parts of this block to its own customers.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">ARIN:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">The American Registry for Internet Numbers is the Regional Internet Registry for Canada, the United States, and many Caribbean and North Atlantic
islands. (first RIR if memory serves)</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kind regards,<br>
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Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">"John Bambenek" <<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" target="_blank">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Chris Pelling" <<a href="mailto:chris@netearth.net" target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Paul Keating" <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank">paul@law.es</a>>, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, 31 May, 2017 15:50:25<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">It is still stored by the provider in a service operated by the provider and edited with an interface created by the provider using whatever business
logic or validation that is written by the provider. Fine, control is not the precise word.<br>
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All that being said, if SOA is ok even when editable only by an interface by the provider then so is all WHOIS data which is entered by the consumer. It really is either/or here. You can't on one hand say there are no privacy implications of SOA and then
turn around when you have an almost identical set of facts and cry privacy foul over whois.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On 5/31/2017 9:46 AM, Chris Pelling wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">You are entirely wrong in your statement : <span style="background:white">Point in fact, for consumers, SOA is NOT under control of the consumer.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Yet many of the largest and paid service allow you to edit just that record as the consumer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kind regards,<br>
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Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>To: </b>"Paul Keating" <a href="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank"><paul@law.es></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">
<gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, 31 May, 2017 15:14:53<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Point in fact, for consumers, SOA is NOT under control of the consumer. I would bet a very rare set of consumers who own domains actually run their own DNS servers. They are either
using the registrar or their hosting provider. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Sure they put in the data. But that is also true of whois/rds. No one does this for the consumer. They put in all their own data. Considering the number of domains under the control
of various registrars that still accept all 0s for phone number, no one verifies that data either. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This does, however, reinforce that making whois for free solves almost all of this issue. If consumers have a true choice that's free and the choices are explained, all of these privacy
issues almost completely are resolved. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">J<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On May 31, 2017, at 08:38, Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank">paul@law.es</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On 31 May 2017, at 11:38, Victoria Sheckler <<a href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com" target="_blank">vsheckler@riaa.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Sullivan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Pelling <<a href="mailto:chris@netearth.net" target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This is a pretty strained example, since the RDS is irrelevant here. You can get the SOAs in the examples as soon as you
know the domain name. You have no need to consult RDS at all. And the SOA is completely under the control of the DNS operator, and in the absence of Internet Protocol Police you can put whatever you want in there for your own zones. No real dns admin has
trusted that field for years. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This repetitious and always fruitless discussion of whether anyone can get any data to "abuse" out of the thin data seems
to miss the point of why we started with thin data: it was supposed to be easy. I've yet to hear even one remotely plausible issue with respect to any of this data, because it's all needed by virtue of creating a name space on the Internet. That's what domain
name registrations do, so if you don't want to expose this much data you shouldn't register domain names. Unless someone can come up with a single concrete example of something problematic, I'd like us to move on to a topic where there's some substance to
discuss. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On May 30, 2017, at 17:22, Chris Pelling <<a href="mailto:chris@netearth.net" target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thin data includes nameservers, being able to
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<a href="http://ns1.google.com" target="_blank">ns1.google.com</a>. <a href="http://dns-admin.google.com" target="_blank">
dns-admin.google.com</a>. 157458041 900 900 1800 60<br>
<a href="http://netearthone.com" target="_blank">netearthone.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="http://ns1.netearth.net" target="_blank">ns1.netearth.net</a>. <a href="http://root.netearthone.com" target="_blank">
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<a href="http://ns1.eurodns.com" target="_blank">ns1.eurodns.com</a>. <a href="http://hostmaster.eurodns.com" target="_blank">
hostmaster.eurodns.com</a>. <a href="tel:(201)%20606-1402" target="_blank">2016061402</a> 43200 7200 1209600 86400<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="http://ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk" target="_blank">ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk</a>.
<a href="http://awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com" target="_blank">awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com</a>. 1 7200 900 1209600 86400<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To: </b>"nathalie coupet" <<a href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com" target="_blank">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>><br>
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<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, 30 May, 2017 21:52:32<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Abuse</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> is the improper usage or treatment of an </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity" target="_blank" title="Entity"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B0080;background:white">entity</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">,
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improperly gain benefit. In our context, abuse is the improper usage of WHOIS/RDS to unfairly or improperly gain access to information or to game the system. </span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">If such principles are not respected, ICANN will be liable. Consumers don't need to have all the thin data when making a query. This could protect them and enable them to have access
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Now, we could discuss the possibility for broader query types. These principles would still apply, but would be contextualized in order to take into account new sets of parameters for
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:00 PM, John Horton <<a href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com" target="_blank">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank">paul@law.es</a>> wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Thank you for the email. Im copying the list because i see others have replied to your comment.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I strenuously object to the concept. We are discussing THIN DATA ONLY HERE. Unless someone can explain to me why any of this data set has privacy concerns this is a non-issue. I would certainly
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Moreover, while you suggest that the idea escapes the need to declare a purpose, it does nothing but reinforce a subjective criteria based system in which the declared purpose is used to somehow limit
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">In the context of thin data, in view of the opposition of some to allow unauthenticated access to all the thin data, the principle of proportionality serves as an over-arching principle
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Thin data must be proportionate to the query, be useful for that particular query. All and any other thin data foreign to this query should not be shared. This principle potentially
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:44 PM, "Gomes, Chuck via gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Because Nathalie was the originator and was unable to speak on the call, I encourage her to describe the nature of the issue on this thread.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Keating<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lisa Phifer <<a href="mailto:lisa@corecom.com" target="_blank">lisa@corecom.com</a>>; RDS PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Im sorry to have missed the call but had a client engagement.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Can someone briefly describe the nature of the issue?</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:52 PM<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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