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<p>I'm not justifying it, I just published the legal analysis.</p>
<p>I'm also saying if we are taking this to its logical conclusion,
DNS must be changed so that I have fine-grained access control on
who can get my IPs.<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/31/2017 8:46 AM, Tom Lancaster
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAO2t5r67G0c-kd7+idFxdL1YHe9NauasBdV7ZC+nnkH8ZxKPhg@mail.gmail.com">
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<div>As far as I can tell that the only result was that now
websites should add an entry to their "Accept these Terms
& Conditions before entering the site". Also this is
likely being consistently broken as everybody keeps web logs,
but not everybody continuously updates their Terms &
Conditions.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Even if some data in thin WHOIS data is considered to be
PII, I think a similar solution (i.e. asking users to agree to
submitting the PII at the point of registration) could be
acceptable, or am I missing something?</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 31 May 2017 at 14:40, John Bambenek
via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>See the link I published earlier. Not IPs generally
but IPs in certain circumstances can be, yes. <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
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<div><br>
On May 31, 2017, at 08:38, Paul Keating <<a
href="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">paul@law.es</a>> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<p><font color="#000000"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">See:
recent Europrean court decisions on IP
addresses as PII.</span></font></p>
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Can you please provide the citations? I a-m not
aware of any court decision issuingsuch a broad
ruling. </div>
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<div id="m_-7959949764776554893AppleMailSignature">Thanks,</div>
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<div id="m_-7959949764776554893AppleMailSignature">Paul <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad</div>
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On 31 May 2017, at 12:20, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p>In some cases the ability to use data set A
in combination with data set B to enable one
to identify an individual turns data set A
into PII. <br>
</p>
<p>See: recent Europrean court decisions on IP
addresses as PII.</p>
<p>I am with you in viewing thin data as
rather unlikely to be defined as PII, but
depending on how this data is used it is not
inconceivable that it may be found to
contain PII depending on the use. Unlikely,
but not impossible.</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div
class="m_-7959949764776554893moz-cite-prefix">Am
30.05.2017 um 23:40 schrieb Paul Keating:<br>
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<div>Im sorry but i don't see the logic here
(or the legal constraint)</div>
<div
id="m_-7959949764776554893AppleMailSignature"><br>
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<div
id="m_-7959949764776554893AppleMailSignature">Privacy
laws protect personal data of
INDIVIDUALS. They do t protect
non-personal data or data from
non-individuals.</div>
<div
id="m_-7959949764776554893AppleMailSignature"><br>
</div>
<div
id="m_-7959949764776554893AppleMailSignature">Nothing
on the list below is personal data. And
no e of the principles given by Natalie
apply.</div>
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id="m_-7959949764776554893AppleMailSignature"><br>
</div>
<div
id="m_-7959949764776554893AppleMailSignature">The
fact that i could use the data to obtain
other data is irrelevant. I can use a car
to rob a bank but that itself is not a
reason to restrict access to automobiles.</div>
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id="m_-7959949764776554893AppleMailSignature"><br>
</div>
<div
id="m_-7959949764776554893AppleMailSignature">Me
thinks you are trying to create a scarcity
for some reason.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad</div>
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On 30 May 2017, at 23:22, Chris Pelling
<<a href="mailto:chris@netearth.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chris@netearth.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>ok - a thought :<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Thin data includes nameservers,
being able to <strong><u>mass</u></strong>
collect thin data gaining NS
information then allows you to do a
DIG of a SOA record on the DNS
service to gain the email address of
the hostmaster : <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Some examples (radomly picked
from the list) :<br>
</div>
<div><a href="http://gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gmail.com</a>
:<br>
</div>
<div>SOA <a
href="http://ns1.google.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ns1.google.com</a>.
<a
href="http://dns-admin.google.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">dns-admin.google.com</a>.
157458041 900 900 1800 60<br>
<a href="http://netearthone.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">netearthone.com</a><br>
</div>
<div>SOA <a
href="http://ns1.netearth.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ns1.netearth.net</a>.
<a
href="http://root.netearthone.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">root.netearthone.com</a>.
<a href="tel:%28201%29%20609-0201"
value="+12016090201"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">2016090201</a>
14400 3600 1209600 86400<br>
</div>
<div><a href="http://law.es"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">law.es</a><br>
</div>
<div>SOA <a
href="http://ns1.eurodns.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ns1.eurodns.com</a>.
<a
href="http://hostmaster.eurodns.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">hostmaster.eurodns.com</a>.
<a href="tel:%28201%29%20606-1402"
value="+12016061402"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">2016061402</a>
43200 7200 1209600 86400<br>
</div>
<div><a href="http://riskiq.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">riskiq.net</a><br>
</div>
<div>SOA <a
href="http://ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk</a>.
<a
href="http://awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com</a>.
1 7200 900 1209600 86400<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now as you can see - those above
examples allow you to get (or build)
an email list. Most will normally
point to the providers service, but,
some that are DIY'ing their hosting,
it might not be.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Chris</div>
<div><br>
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<div><b>From: </b>"allison nixon"
<<a
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
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<b>To: </b>"nathalie coupet" <<a
href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, 30 May, 2017
21:52:32<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on
Proportionality for
"Thin Data"access<br>
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<div>
<div dir="ltr">so can you name one
specific example of how someone
could abuse thin data?</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue,
May 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM,
nathalie coupet via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
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style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica
Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<div
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437"
dir="ltr"><b
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287679">Abuse</b><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287680"> is
the improper usage or
treatment of an </span><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity" title="Entity"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287681"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">entity</a><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287682">,
often to </span><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributive_justice"
title="Distributive
justice"
style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287683"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">unfairly</a><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287684"> or
improperly gain
benefit. In our
context, abuse is the
improper usage of
WHOIS/RDS to unfairly
or improperly gain
access to information
or to game the
system. </span></div>
<div
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437"
dir="ltr"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</span></div>
<div
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437"
dir="ltr"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Here
are some of the
overarching principles
which should guide us
when building RDS: </span><br>
</div>
<div
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437"
dir="ltr"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287894"><span
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287895"
style="color:#222222;font-family:sans-serif" face="sans-serif"
color="#222222"><span
style="font-size:14px"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287896">DATA
LIFECYCLE
PRIVACY
PRINCIPLE
PROTECTION
MEASURE</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287897"><span
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287898"
style="color:#222222;font-family:sans-serif" face="sans-serif"
color="#222222"><span
style="font-size:14px"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287899">Collection
Proportionality
and purpose
specification
Data
minimisation, Data
quality</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287900"><span
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287901"
style="color:#222222;font-family:sans-serif" face="sans-serif"
color="#222222"><span
style="font-size:14px"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287902">Storage
Accountability,
Security measures,
Sensitive data
Confidentiality,
Encryption,
Pseudonomisation</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287903"><span
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287904"
style="color:#222222;font-family:sans-serif" face="sans-serif"
color="#222222"><span
style="font-size:14px"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287905">Sharing
and processing
Lawfulness and
fairness, Consent,
Right of access
Data access
control, Data
leakage prevention</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906"><span
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287907"
style="color:#222222;font-family:sans-serif" face="sans-serif"
color="#222222"><span
style="font-size:14px"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287908">Deletion
Openness,
Right to erasure
Retention,
Archival, Erasure</span></span></div>
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id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906"><span
style="color:#222222;font-family:sans-serif" face="sans-serif"
color="#222222"><span
style="font-size:14px"><br>
</span></span></div>
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id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906"><span
style="color:#222222;font-family:sans-serif" face="sans-serif"
color="#222222"><span
style="font-size:14px"><br>
</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906"><span
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_291686"
style="color:#222222;font-family:sans-serif" face="sans-serif"
color="#222222"><span
style="font-size:14px"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_291685">If
such principles are
not respected, ICANN
will be liable.
Consumers don't need
to have all the thin
data when making a
query. This could
protect them and
enable them to have
access to the RDS
without raising much
opposition. </span></span></div>
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id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906"><span
style="color:#222222;font-family:sans-serif" face="sans-serif"
color="#222222"><span
style="font-size:14px"><br>
</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906"><span
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_292975"
style="color:#222222;font-family:sans-serif" face="sans-serif"
color="#222222"><span
style="font-size:14px"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_292974">Now,
we could discuss the
possibility for
broader query types.
These principles
would still apply,
but would be
contextualized in
order to take into
account new sets of
parameters for each
broader query. By
increasing
granularity as much
as possible, while
applying these
aformentioned
principles, we just
might find a way to
accomodate everyone.
</span></span></div>
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2017 at 12:57
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<div>Natalie,</div>
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<div
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you for the
email. Im
copying the
list because i
see others
have replied
to your
comment.</div>
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<div
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strenuously
object to the
concept. We
are discussing
THIN DATA ONLY
HERE. Unless
someone can
explain to me
why any of
this data set
has privacy
concerns this
is a
non-issue. I
would
certainly
appreciate
someone
explaining
what, if any,
privacy issues
are perceived
to be at issue
here.</div>
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<div
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945AppleMailSignature">Moreover,
while you
suggest that
the idea
escapes the
need to
declare a
purpose, it
does nothing
but reinforce
a subjective
criteria based
system in
which the
declared
purpose is
used to
somehow limit
the data being
retrieved.</div>
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i am missing
something
please let me
know. </div>
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Paul</div>
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On 30 May
2017, at
21:08,
nathalie
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id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_239556">Hi
Paul,</div>
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id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_239556">In
the context of
thin data, in
view of the
opposition of
some to allow
unauthenticated access to all the thin data, the principle of
proportionality
serves as an
over-arching
principle at
this
particular
phase in our
work in order
to protect
data from
abuse while
not
restricting
access. </div>
<div dir="ltr"
id="m_-7959949764776554893m_-1108286820301507687yiv8771876093m_-2551964071040587945yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_239556">Thin
data must be
proportionate
to the query,
be useful for
that
particular
query. All and
any other thin
data foreign
to this query
should not be
shared. This
principle
potentially
avoids having
to resort to
'legitimate
purposes'
which cannot
be verified
for
unauthenticated
access. </div>
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style="font-family:Arial;font-size:small" size="2" face="Arial"> On
Tuesday, May
30, 2017 2:44
PM, "Gomes,
Chuck via
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style="font-size:11.0pt">Because Nathalie was the originator and was
unable to
speak on the
call, I
encourage her
to describe
the nature of
the issue on
this thread.</span></div>
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<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.
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<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Paul
Keating<span><br
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<b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday, May
30, 2017 2:17
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<b>To:</b>
Lisa Phifer
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<b>Subject:</b>
[EXTERNAL] Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span></span></div>
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style="font-size:10.5pt">Im sorry to have missed the call but had a
client
engagement.</span></div>
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issue?</span></div>
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on behalf of
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday,
May 30, 2017
at 7:52 PM<br
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PDP WG <<a
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<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Principle on
Proportionality
for "Thin
Data"access</span></span></div>
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style="font-size:10.5pt">All, per today's call action item:<br
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<b>Action
Item: Nathalie
Coupet and any
other WG
members who
wish to do so
to propose to
the WG list a
new principle
on
proportionality
for "thin
data." All WG
members to
comment on
that proposed
principle in
advance of
next call.<br
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</b>we are
starting a new
thread here
which anyone
may reply to
if they wish
to propose (or
respond to) a
new principle
on
proportionality
for "thin
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Best, Lisa</span></div>
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