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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Definitionally, yes.
I explained why in my preceding post to this thread. That
does not mean we need to protect it, it means we have to
examine it in terms of DP law. May I repeat the suggestion
that Canatacci made in Copenhagen in response to a
question.....(I forget the precise question he was asked,
sorry). If you want to figure out whether you have to protect
something or not, do a privacy impact assessment. <br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Stephanie</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">PS I would also like
to defend the concept of proportionality. You have to
consider it. At the risk of further inflaming this debate,
here is something I have written recently which may help from
a definitional perspective:</font></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The proportionality
principle is
fundamental to the interpretation of European data protection
law, although it
does not appear in the Directive itself.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>The usual four part test is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1;tab-stops: list 36.0pt"><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-CA">there must be a legitimate
aim for a measure<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1;tab-stops: list 36.0pt"><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-CA">the measure must be suitable
to achieve the aim (potentially with a requirement of
evidence to show it will have that effect)<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1;tab-stops: list 36.0pt"><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-CA">the measure must be
necessary to achieve the aim, that there cannot be any less
onerous way of doing it<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1;tab-stops: list 36.0pt"><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-CA">the measure must be
reasonable, considering the competing interests of different
groups at hand (</span><span class="reference-text"><span
lang="EN-US">P Craig and G de Burca, </span></span><span
lang="EN-US"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_Law"
title="EU Law"><i>EU Law</i></a><span
class="reference-text"> (5th edn OUP 2011) 526).</span></span><span
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The concept usually
appears in some form in
most other data protection law or the interpretation thereof.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>In Canada, it is
expressed in the reasonable
person test 5(3) in <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">The
Personal
Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act</i>
(PIPEDA), which states:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">The
purpose of
this Part [of the Act] is to establish, in an era in which
technology
increasingly facilitates the circulation and exchange of
information, rules to
govern the collection, use and disclosure of personal
information in a manner
that recognizes the rights of privacy of individuals with
respect to their
personal information and the need of organizations to collect,
use or disclose
personal information <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">for
purposes that a
reasonable person would consider appropriate in the
circumstances. </b>[emphasis
added] <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The Article 29 group
issued a number of
recent opinions elaborating on some of the principles in the
Directive, and
their collective interpretation of them, for the purpose of
illuminating the
negotiations over the new Regulation on Data Protection.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Of particular interest is
their <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Opinion 06/2014
on the notion of legitimate
interest of the data controller under Article 7 of Directive
95/46/EC</i>
wherein they explain in some detail how a balancing test can
be applied in
interpreting the legitimate interests of the data controller,
and the rights of
the data subject.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>In
particular they
point out that the text of 7(f) means that all relevant
interests of the data
subject should be taken into account, including but not
limited to their
fundamental rights.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>The
following
paragraphs underscore the importance of this section, and are
particularly
applicable to the WHOIS service:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">At
a time when
increasing imbalance in ‘informational power’, when
governments and business
organizations alike amass hitherto unprecedented amounts of
data about
individuals, and are increasingly in the position to compile
detailed profiles
that will predict their behavior (reinforcing informational
imbalance and
reducing their autonomy), it is ever more important to ensure
that the
interests of the individuals to preserve their privacy and
autonomy be
protected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">Finally,
it is
important to note that unlike the case of the controller’s
interests, the
adjective ‘legitimate’ is not used here to precede the
‘interests’ of the data
subjects.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>This implies
a wider scope to
the protection of individuals’ interests and rights.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Even individuals engaged
in illegal
activities should not be subject to disproportionate
interference with their
rights and interests.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>For
example, an
individual who may have perpetrated theft in a supermarket
could still see his
interests prevailing against the publication of his picture
and private address
on the walls of the supermarket and/or on the Internet by the
owner of the
shop.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>(p.30)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-05-31 13:45, Gomes, Chuck
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Stephanie,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Do
you consider any of the thin data elements as we have
defined them so far to be ‘personal data’?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="_MailEndCompose"><span
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<span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephanie Perrin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande",serif">I think it is a very good summary. One
issue which we do not discuss very often is the fact that
end users who register a domain name do not understand very
well (if at all) what the implications for their privacy
are. A requirement of most data protection law is to
provide transparency with respect to what happens to
personal data. This job, in my view, has not been tackled
by ICANN in the required way. So while I agree with the
summary, it raises the issue, for those of us who do not
understand what an SOA record is, what thin data is, how the
DNS operates, etc. there is an obligation on ICANN, through
its contractual control of the registries and registrars, to
provide greater clarity about how personal data is managed,
and what the risks might be for the individual. Simply
saying "</span>Let's remember we are talking about the
public, open Internet here. Nobody has to participate that
doesn't want to, just like if I don't want anyone to see my
license plate number on the road, I don't have to drive a car
either. " <span style="font-size:13.5pt">
is not adequate. (Licence registries, by the way, have
become private in most jurisdictions because of the risk to
registrants, so the chances of being stalked by some nut
with road rage have mercifully decreased).
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt"> Stephanie Perrin<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-05-31 11:07, Gomes, Chuck via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
am open to disagreement, but it seems to me that Jonathan
provides a good summary and maybe even a fair conclusion
of the extensive discussion that has occurred on this
thread since Tuesday. Rather than continuing the
extensive back and forth, which in my assessment is mostly
repeating things that have already been said several
times, I request that anyone who disagrees with Jonathan’s
conclusions to identify what you disagree with and provide
your reasoning.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>jonathan matkowsky<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dotzero <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com"><dotzero@gmail.com></a>;
Volker Greimann
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"><vgreimann@key-systems.net></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> RDS PDP WG <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle
on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think the discussion here reflects
confusion between what's available in DNS based on the
domain name alone, and Thin Whois data. The fact of
whether SOA records or A records may contain PII is a
totally separate issue than Thin Whois data elements.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Based on a domain name alone, one can
use it to query DNS for record elements that may contain
PII or when combined with other data, can be used to
obtain PII. But all of this PII is in the public domain
voluntarily by their owners, and more importantly, is
outside the framework of discussion, which is limited to
Whois database--not DNS. They are simply not the same.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">So the fact that you can get SOA
records from the domain name alone begs the question of
whether the domain name needs to be protected because when
combined with other data elements, can be used to obtain
PII.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">But the domain names are publicly
available on the internet by virtue of being in the zone
files. So the fact you can obtain the domain from thin
Whois doesn't make it any more available than it is from
the zone files. It is outside the framework of discussion.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The thin Whois database is not what is
making domain names available--so the SOA records for the
domain is not a good example, even if someone put PII in
that field--as that is an issue of domain names being
publicly available together with DNS. Totally outside the
framework of discussion.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The creation date of a domain, the NS
records, when the domain was last updated, and the
registrar of record are simply not by any stretch of the
imagination arguably PII by virtue of Whois. This is
information that was voluntarily made public by virtue of
using the public Internet which relies on DNS. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Privacy enthusiasts can use .Onion if
they want to. But if they want to use the open Internet,
that means some basic data by definition is publicly
available in the DNS. If they want to protect their
privacy, then they need to use common sense and not put
information they dont want to be made public into the
public. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The creation date is as a matter of
fact, used as one of several indicators to show a domain
engaged in malicious activity was unlikely a victim of
being compromised. It is a critical piece of data but also
not by any stretch of the wildest imagination PII. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The principle of proportionality
doesn't apply to thin data unless you want to argue it
applies to the very fact a domain name record was created
in the public Internet. By creating the record, a user has
chosen to make that record's existence public--regardless
of whether they use privacy protection or not. If I
register my name and birthday as a domain name, it is PII,
but PII that I chose to be made publicly available by
virtue of creating the domain and putting it into the
zone. Does that mean I am somehow entitled to have all the
RFCs re-written for me and for the public Internet to be
made private? Of course not. So when people make things
public voluntarily by virtue of participating in society,
the principles of data protection apply differently. Let's
remember we are talking about the public, open Internet
here. Nobody has to participate that doesn't want to, just
like if I don't want anyone to see my license plate number
on the road, I don't have to drive a car either. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, 31 May 2017 at 16:50
Dotzero <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com">dotzero@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Translation (per Google
translate) of what Volker posted:<br>
<br>
<span class="m-377313414510063557gmail-"><span
lang="EN">"On the basis of the ECJ ruling, the
factual feature" personal data "of § 12 (1) and
(2) TMG in conjunction with § 3 (1) BDSG must be
interpreted in accordance with the guidelines: a
dynamic IP address provided by a provider of
online media services In the case of access by a
person to a website, which is made generally
accessible by the provider, constitutes a
(protected) personal date for the provider.</span></span><span
lang="EN"><br>
<br>
<span class="m-377313414510063557gmail-">The IP
address can only be stored as a personal date
under the prerequisites of § 15 (1) TMG. This
provision is to be applied in accordance with
the provisions of Article 7 (f) of Directive
95/46 EC, as interpreted by the Court of
Justice, to the effect that a provider of
on-line media services may collect personal data
of a user without the consent of the user of the
services To the extent that their collection and
use is necessary to ensure the general
functioning of the services. However, there is a
need to balance the interests and the basic
rights and freedoms of the users. "</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 9:47
AM, Volker Greimann <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Why, just this month the German
Bundesgerichtshof confirmed this in a review
of a decision of the state court Berlin ( Az.
VI ZR 135/13):<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://juris.bundesgerichtshof.de/cgi-bin/rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bgh&Art=pm&Datum=2017&Sort=3&nr=78289&pos=0&anz=74"
target="_blank">http://juris.bundesgerichtshof.de/cgi-bin/rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bgh&Art=pm&Datum=2017&Sort=3&nr=78289&pos=0&anz=74</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>It followed the decision of the European
Court from October last year:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>C-582/14, NJW 2016, 3579<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The German explanation:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i>"Auf der Grundlage des EuGH-Urteils ist
das Tatbestandsmerkmal "personenbezogene
Daten" des § 12 Abs. 1 und 2 TMG in
Verbindung mit § 3 Abs. 1 BDSG
richtlinienkonform auszulegen: Eine
dynamische IP-Adresse, die von einem
Anbieter von Online-Mediendiensten beim
Zugriff einer Person auf eine Internetseite,
die dieser Anbieter allgemein zugänglich
macht, gespeichert wird, stellt für den
Anbieter ein (geschütztes) personenbezogenes
Datum dar.
</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i>Als personenbezogenes Datum darf die
IP-Adresse nur unter den Voraussetzungen des
§ 15 Abs. 1 TMG gespeichert werden. Diese
Vorschrift ist richtlinienkonform
entsprechend Art. 7 Buchst. f der Richtlinie
95/46 EG – in der Auslegung durch den EuGH –
dahin anzuwenden, dass ein Anbieter von
Online-Mediendiensten personenbezogene Daten
eines Nutzers dieser Dienste ohne dessen
Einwilligung auch über das Ende eines
Nutzungsvorgangs hinaus dann erheben und
verwenden darf, soweit ihre Erhebung und
ihre Verwendung erforderlich sind, um die
generelle Funktionsfähigkeit der Dienste zu
gewährleisten. Dabei bedarf es allerdings
einer Abwägung mit dem Interesse und den
Grundrechten und -freiheiten der Nutzer."</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Am 31.05.2017 um
15:38 schrieb Paul Keating:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p>See: recent Europrean court
decisions on IP addresses as PII.<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Can you please
provide the citations? I a-m not
aware of any court decision
issuingsuch a broad ruling. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">Paul <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On 31 May 2017, at 12:20, Volker
Greimann <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p>In some cases the ability to use
data set A in combination with data
set B to enable one to identify an
individual turns data set A into
PII.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>See: recent Europrean court
decisions on IP addresses as PII.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I am with you in viewing thin data
as rather unlikely to be defined as
PII, but depending on how this data
is used it is not inconceivable that
it may be found to contain PII
depending on the use. Unlikely, but
not impossible.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Am 30.05.2017
um 23:40 schrieb Paul Keating:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Im sorry but
i don't see the logic here (or
the legal constraint)<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">Privacy laws
protect personal data of
INDIVIDUALS. They do t protect
non-personal data or data from
non-individuals.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">Nothing on
the list below is personal
data. And no e of the
principles given by Natalie
apply.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">The fact that
i could use the data to obtain
other data is irrelevant. I can
use a car to rob a bank but that
itself is not a reason to
restrict access to automobiles.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">Me thinks you
are trying to create a scarcity
for some reason.<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On 30 May 2017, at 23:22, Chris
Pelling <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chris@netearth.net"
target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ok
- a thought :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thin
data includes
nameservers, being able
to
<strong><u><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">mass</span></u></strong>
collect thin data
gaining NS information
then allows you to do a
DIG of a SOA record on
the DNS service to gain
the email address of the
hostmaster :
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Some
examples (radomly picked
from the list) :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a> :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">SOA
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ns1.google.com" target="_blank">
ns1.google.com</a>. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://dns-admin.google.com" target="_blank">dns-admin.google.com</a>.
157458041 900 900 1800
60<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://netearthone.com" target="_blank">netearthone.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">SOA
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ns1.netearth.net" target="_blank">
ns1.netearth.net</a>.
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://root.netearthone.com" target="_blank">root.netearthone.com</a>.
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28201%29%20609-0201" target="_blank">2016090201</a> 14400
3600 1209600 86400</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://law.es"
target="_blank">law.es</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">SOA
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ns1.eurodns.com" target="_blank">
ns1.eurodns.com</a>. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://hostmaster.eurodns.com" target="_blank">hostmaster.eurodns.com</a>.
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28201%29%20606-1402" target="_blank">2016061402</a> 43200
7200 1209600 86400</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://riskiq.net" target="_blank">riskiq.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">SOA
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk" target="_blank">
ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk</a>. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com"
target="_blank">
awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com</a>. 1 7200 900 1209600 86400</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Now
as you can see - those
above examples allow you
to get (or build) an
email list. Most will
normally point to the
providers service, but,
some that are DIY'ing
their hosting, it might
not be.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Kind
regards,<br>
<br>
Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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align="center"><span
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<hr align="center"
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</span></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">From: </span>
</b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"allison
nixon" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"nathalie
coupet" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com" target="_blank">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday,
30 May, 2017 21:52:32<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Principle on
Proportionality for
"Thin Data"access</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">so can you name one
specific example of
how someone could
abuse thin data?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Tue, May 30, 2017 at
4:50 PM, nathalie
coupet via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote
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<div>
<div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Abuse</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> is
the improper
usage or
treatment of
an </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue
;color:black",serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity"
target="_blank"
title="Entity"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B0080;background:white">entity</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">,
often to </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue
;color:black",serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributive_justice"
target="_blank" title="Distributive justice"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B0080;background:white">unfairly</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> or
improperly
gain benefit.
In our
context, abuse
is the
improper usage
of WHOIS/RDS
to unfairly or
improperly
gain access to
information or
to game the
system. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437">
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue
;color:black",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437">
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Here
are some of
the
overarching
principles
which should
guide us when
building RDS: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437">
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue
;color:black",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287894">
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">DATA
LIFECYCLE
PRIVACY
PRINCIPLE
PROTECTION
MEASURE</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287897">
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Collection
Proportionality
and purpose
specification
Data
minimisation,
Data quality</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287900">
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Storage
Accountability,
Security
measures,
Sensitive data
Confidentiality, Encryption, Pseudonomisation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287903">
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Sharing
and processing
Lawfulness and
fairness,
Consent, Right
of access
Data access
control, Data
leakage
prevention</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906">
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Deletion
Openness,
Right to
erasure
Retention,
Archival,
Erasure</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906">
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue
;color:black",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue
;color:black",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">If
such
principles are
not respected,
ICANN will be
liable.
Consumers
don't need to
have all the
thin data when
making a
query. This
could protect
them and
enable them to
have access to
the RDS
without
raising much
opposition. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-377313414510063557m_-7982672186852212151m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906">
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue
;color:black",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Now,
we could
discuss the
possibility
for broader
query types.
These
principles
would still
apply, but
would be
contextualized
in order to
take into
account new
sets of
parameters for
each broader
query. By
increasing
granularity as
much as
possible,
while applying
these
aformentioned
principles, we
just might
find a way to
accomodate
everyone. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
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;color:black",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
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;color:black",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
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;color:black",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue
;color:black",serif">Nathalie </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica
Neue
;color:black",serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On
Tuesday, May
30, 2017 4:00
PM, John
Horton <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"
target="_blank">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:HelveticaNeue"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444">I
was going to
reply to
Natalie's
email as well,
but Paul's
comments
capture my
thoughts, so:
<b>+1. </b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue"><br
clear="all">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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you for the
email. Im
copying the
list because i
see others
have replied
to your
comment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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strenuously
object to the
concept. We
are discussing
THIN DATA ONLY
HERE. Unless
someone can
explain to me
why any of
this data set
has privacy
concerns this
is a
non-issue. I
would
certainly
appreciate
someone
explaining
what, if any,
privacy issues
are perceived
to be at issue
here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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while you
suggest that
the idea
escapes the
need to
declare a
purpose, it
does nothing
but reinforce
a subjective
criteria based
system in
which the
declared
purpose is
used to
somehow limit
the data being
retrieved.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On 30 May
2017, at
21:08,
nathalie
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the context of
thin data, in
view of the
opposition of
some to allow
unauthenticated access to all the thin data, the principle of
proportionality
serves as an
over-arching
principle at
this
particular
phase in our
work in order
to protect
data from
abuse while
not
restricting
access. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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proportionate
to the query,
be useful for
that
particular
query. All and
any other thin
data foreign
to this query
should not be
shared. This
principle
potentially
avoids having
to resort to
'legitimate
purposes'
which cannot
be verified
for
unauthenticated
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Tuesday, May
30, 2017 2:44
PM, "Gomes,
Chuck via
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Nathalie was
the originator
and was unable
to speak on
the call, I
encourage her
to describe
the nature of
the issue on
this thread.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Paul
Keating<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday, May
30, 2017 2:17
PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Lisa Phifer
<<a
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RDS PDP WG
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<b>Subject:</b>
[EXTERNAL] Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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sorry to have
missed the
call but had a
client
engagement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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someone
briefly
describe the
nature of the
issue?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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on behalf of
Lisa Phifer
<<a
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday,
May 30, 2017
at 7:52 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>RDS
PDP WG <<a
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target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Principle on
Proportionality
for "Thin
Data"access</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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per today's
call action
item:<br>
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<b>Action
Item: Nathalie
Coupet and any
other WG
members who
wish to do so
to propose to
the WG list a
new principle
on
proportionality
for "thin
data." All WG
members to
comment on
that proposed
principle in
advance of
next call.<br>
<br>
</b>we are
starting a new
thread here
which anyone
may reply to
if they wish
to propose (or
respond to) a
new principle
on
proportionality
for "thin
data" access.<br>
<br>
Best, Lisa</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Web: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank">www.keydrive.lu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- legal department -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Web: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Fax.: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Web: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank">www.keydrive.lu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>--------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- legal department -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Fax.: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Web: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
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