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<p class="MsoNormal">Michele,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Couldn’t cases like you cite be handled on an exceptional basis by the owner of the PII rather than complicating access to thin data? How do you handle it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chuck<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michele Neylon - Blacknight<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Bambenek <jcb@bambenekconsulting.com>; Paul Keating <paul@law.es><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The PII is when the IP is for an end user eg. my home broadband IP address is PII<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">A nameserver or web server IP address wouldn’t be PII<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black"><a href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/">
https://michele.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/">
https://ceo.hosting/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>John Bambenek <<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 31 May 2017 at 14:40<br>
<b>To: </b>Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es">paul@law.es</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">See the link I published earlier. Not IPs generally but IPs in certain circumstances can be, yes. <br>
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On May 31, 2017, at 08:38, Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es">paul@law.es</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">See: recent Europrean court decisions on IP addresses as PII.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Can you please provide the citations? I a-m not aware of any court decision issuingsuch a broad ruling. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Paul <br>
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Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On 31 May 2017, at 12:20, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB">In some cases the ability to use data set A in combination with data set B to enable one to identify an individual turns data set A into PII.
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<p><span lang="EN-GB">See: recent Europrean court decisions on IP addresses as PII.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB">I am with you in viewing thin data as rather unlikely to be defined as PII, but depending on how this data is used it is not inconceivable that it may be found to contain PII depending on the use. Unlikely, but not impossible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Am 30.05.2017 um 23:40 schrieb Paul Keating:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Im sorry but i don't see the logic here (or the legal constraint)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Privacy laws protect personal data of INDIVIDUALS. They do t protect non-personal data or data from non-individuals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Nothing on the list below is personal data. And no e of the principles given by Natalie apply.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The fact that i could use the data to obtain other data is irrelevant. I can use a car to rob a bank but that itself is not a reason to restrict access to automobiles.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Me thinks you are trying to create a scarcity for some reason.<br>
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On 30 May 2017, at 23:22, Chris Pelling <<a href="mailto:chris@netearth.net">chris@netearth.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">mass</span></u></strong> collect thin data gaining NS information then allows you to do a DIG of a SOA record on the DNS service to gain the email address of the hostmaster :
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a> :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="http://ns1.google.com">ns1.google.com</a>. <a href="http://dns-admin.google.com">
dns-admin.google.com</a>. 157458041 900 900 1800 60<br>
<a href="http://netearthone.com">netearthone.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="http://ns1.netearth.net">ns1.netearth.net</a>. <a href="http://root.netearthone.com">
root.netearthone.com</a>. 2016090201 14400 3600 1209600 86400<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://law.es">law.es</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="http://ns1.eurodns.com">ns1.eurodns.com</a>. <a href="http://hostmaster.eurodns.com">
hostmaster.eurodns.com</a>. 2016061402 43200 7200 1209600 86400<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://riskiq.net">riskiq.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="http://ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk">ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk</a>. <a href="http://awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com">
awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com</a>. 1 7200 900 1209600 86400<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Now as you can see - those above examples allow you to get (or build) an email list. Most will normally point to the providers service, but, some that
are DIY'ing their hosting, it might not be.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kind regards,<br>
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Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From:
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<b>To: </b>"nathalie coupet" <<a href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, 30 May, 2017 21:52:32<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">so can you name one specific example of how someone could abuse thin data?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, nathalie coupet via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>
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improper usage or treatment of an </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity" target="_blank" title="Entity"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0B0080;background:white">entity</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222">,
often to </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributive_justice" target="_blank" title="Distributive justice"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0B0080;background:white">unfairly</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#222222"> or
improperly gain benefit. In our context, abuse is the improper usage of WHOIS/RDS to unfairly or improperly gain access to information or to game the system. </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Keating<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lisa Phifer <<a href="mailto:lisa@corecom.com" target="_blank">lisa@corecom.com</a>>; RDS PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Can someone briefly describe the nature of the issue?</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:52 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>RDS PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">All, per today's call action item:<br>
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<b>Action Item: Nathalie Coupet and any other WG members who wish to do so to propose to the WG list a new principle on proportionality for "thin data." All WG members to comment on that proposed principle in advance of next call.<br>
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</b>we are starting a new thread here which anyone may reply to if they wish to propose (or respond to) a new principle on proportionality for "thin data" access.<br>
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