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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 31.05.2017 um 17:43 schrieb allison
nixon:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CACLR7wJZJoGELE4hWKSixLqxVv=7Yz1817FubLe-Bs71cEu-xQ@mail.gmail.com">
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<div>Domains are generally not as valuable, but there is another
debate here- it is not purely an issue of privacy vs security.
It is an issue of privacy vs the concept of property
ownership. If your identity is not associated with your domain
in any verifiable way, do you have a valid claim to the
property? If it is all up to the registrar saying "trust me",
what assurances exist against a hack, hijack, ownership
dispute, or malicious registrar?</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
The same assurances as exist in any other transaction: You can
always sue the other party for breach of contract. <br>
<br>
But you are right, there is no reliable surefire verifiable way to
associate the registrant of a domain name with his legal rights to
that name. As registrar, we have to trust - to a certain extent -
that the information provided by the registrant about himself is
correct. <br>
<br>
Whenever he uses the right access credentials to his account, we
have to trust he is the person who owns that account and is
authorized to make modifications to the domains. When he opens an
account, we have to trust he is who he says he is. When he registers
a domain for himself or a third party, we have to trust his identity
or right to request that registration. <br>
<br>
When he uses a payment method, we have to trust that the security of
that payment method has not been breached / that payment method is
used by the person entitled to use it. <br>
<br>
Unless you require people walking into the registrars' officies for
every transaction, this is a fact of life.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Volker<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CACLR7wJZJoGELE4hWKSixLqxVv=7Yz1817FubLe-Bs71cEu-xQ@mail.gmail.com">
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<div>Broader issues exist than only privacy. The overemphasis on
privacy by this group is beyond absurd</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 11:20 AM,
Chris Pelling <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:chris@netearth.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">chris@netearth.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">
<div>John,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I refer you to my original email, the question
was how could it be abused, I gave an answer, I did
not expect hours or reading on that answer - but it
was a fair answer, maybe an edge case, but still a
correct answer.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have not said anything about privacy, all I
said was this can gain you an email address by
working the system.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Similar someone (I think you Paul) said there is
no correlation between IP address and getting
personal data (something along that line) - thats
wrong too, as the RIR's hold records, LIRs populate
that date held by RIRs and depending on how and when
this was updated, could provide personal information
(more likely company / corporate info) because in
the old days (talking 20 years ago now) records and
even 30 years ago for ARIN personal information <span
style="text-decoration:underline"><strong>could</strong></span>
have been used.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For those who do not know how to lookup an IP:
whois <ip> ie. jwhois 80.251.17.0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For those who do not know the accronyms :</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>RIR:</div>
<div><span
style="color:#222222;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">Regional
Internet Registries (</span><b
style="color:#222222;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">RIRs</b><span
style="color:#222222;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">)
are nonprofit corporations that administer and
register Internet Protocol (IP) address space and
Autonomous System (AS) numbers within a defined
region. </span><b
style="color:#222222;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">RIRs</b><span
style="color:#222222;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">
also work together on joint projects.</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>LIR:</div>
<div><span
style="color:#222222;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">A
</span><b
style="color:#222222;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">local
Internet registry</b><span
style="color:#222222;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">
(</span><b
style="color:#222222;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">LIR</b><span
style="color:#222222;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">)
is an organization that has been allocated a block
of IP addresses by a </span><b
style="color:#222222;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">regional
Internet registry</b><span
style="color:#222222;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">
(RIR), and that assigns most parts of this block
to its own customers.</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>ARIN:</div>
<div><span
style="color:#222222;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">The
American Registry for Internet Numbers is the
Regional Internet Registry for Canada, the United
States, and many Caribbean and North Atlantic
islands. (first RIR if memory serves)</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Chris</div>
<br>
<hr id="m_-861377980062100921zwchr">
<div><b>From: </b>"John Bambenek" <<a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Chris Pelling" <<a
href="mailto:chris@netearth.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">chris@netearth.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Paul Keating" <<a
href="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">paul@law.es</a>>,
"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, 31 May, 2017 15:50:25<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on
Proportionality for "Thin Data"access<br>
</div>
<br>
<div>It is still stored by the provider in a service
operated by the provider and edited with an
interface created by the provider using whatever
business logic or validation that is written by the
provider. Fine, control is not the precise word.<br>
<br>
All that being said, if SOA is ok even when editable
only by an interface by the provider then so is all
WHOIS data which is entered by the consumer. It
really is either/or here. You can't on one hand say
there are no privacy implications of SOA and then
turn around when you have an almost identical set of
facts and cry privacy foul over whois.<br>
<br>
j<br>
<br>
<div class="m_-861377980062100921moz-cite-prefix">On
5/31/2017 9:46 AM, Chris Pelling wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">
<div>John,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You are entirely wrong in your statement : <span
style="color:#000000;font-family:Arial;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:#ffffff;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">Point
in fact, for consumers, SOA is NOT under
control of the consumer.</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yet many of the largest and paid service
allow you to edit just that record as the
consumer.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Chris</div>
<br>
<hr id="m_-861377980062100921zwchr">
<div><b>From: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <a
class="m_-861377980062100921moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>To: </b>"Paul Keating" <a
class="m_-861377980062100921moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><paul@law.es></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <a
class="m_-861377980062100921moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, 31 May, 2017 15:14:53<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Principle on Proportionality <wbr> for "Thin <wbr>Data"access<br>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>Point in fact, for consumers, SOA is NOT
under control of the consumer. I would bet a
very rare set of consumers who own domains
actually run their own DNS servers. They are
either using the registrar or their hosting
provider. </div>
<br>
<div>Sure they put in the data. But that is
also true of whois/rds. No one does this for
the consumer. They put in all their own
data. Considering the number of domains
under the control of various registrars that
still accept all 0s for phone number, no one
verifies that data either. </div>
<br>
<div>This does, however, reinforce that making
whois for free solves almost all of this
issue. If consumers have a true choice
that's free and the choices are explained,
all of these privacy issues almost
completely are resolved. </div>
<br>
<div>J<br>
<br>
<div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
</div>
<div><br>
On May 31, 2017, at 08:38, Paul Keating <<a
href="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">paul@law.es</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>+1!<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad</div>
<div><br>
On 31 May 2017, at 11:38, Victoria
Sheckler <<a
href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vsheckler@riaa.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div
class="m_-861377980062100921WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif">+1</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
name="m_-861377980062100921__MailEndCompose"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif"> </span></a></p>
<span></span>
<div>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid
#e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in
0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Calibri',sans-serif"> <a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>
[<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew
Sullivan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May
30, 2017 10:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Pelling
<<a
href="mailto:chris@netearth.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">chris@netearth.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle
on Proportionality for "Thin
Data"access</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This is a
pretty strained example, since
the RDS is irrelevant here. You
can get the SOAs in the examples
as soon as you know the domain
name. You have no need to
consult RDS at all. And the SOA
is completely under the control
of the DNS operator, and in the
absence of Internet Protocol
Police you can put whatever you
want in there for your own
zones. No real dns admin has
trusted that field for years. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This
repetitious and always fruitless
discussion of whether anyone can
get any data to "abuse" out of
the thin data seems to miss the
point of why we started with
thin data: it was supposed to be
easy. I've yet to hear even one
remotely plausible issue with
respect to any of this data,
because it's all needed by
virtue of creating a name space
on the Internet. That's what
domain name registrations do, so
if you don't want to expose this
much data you shouldn't register
domain names. Unless someone
can come up with a single
concrete example of something
problematic, I'd like us to move
on to a topic where there's some
substance to discuss. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">A</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">-- </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Andrew
Sullivan </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please
excuse my clumbsy thums. </p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On May 30, 2017, at 17:22, Chris
Pelling <<a
href="mailto:chris@netearth.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">chris@netearth.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">ok
- a thought :</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">Thin
data includes
nameservers, being able
to <strong><span
style="text-decoration:underline"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif">mass</span></span></strong>
collect thin data
gaining NS information
then allows you to do a
DIG of a SOA record on
the DNS service to gain
the email address of the
hostmaster : </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">Some
examples (radomly picked
from the list) :</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gmail.com</a>
:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">SOA
<a
href="http://ns1.google.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ns1.google.com</a>.
<a
href="http://dns-admin.google.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">
dns-admin.google.com</a>.
157458041 900 900 1800
60<br>
<a
href="http://netearthone.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">netearthone.com</a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">SOA
<a
href="http://ns1.netearth.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ns1.netearth.net</a>.
<a
href="http://root.netearthone.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">
root.netearthone.com</a>.
<a
href="tel:%28201%29%20609-0201"
value="+12016090201"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">2016090201</a>
14400 3600 1209600 86400</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="http://law.es"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">law.es</a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">SOA
<a
href="http://ns1.eurodns.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ns1.eurodns.com</a>.
<a
href="http://hostmaster.eurodns.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">
hostmaster.eurodns.com</a>.
<a
href="tel:%28201%29%20606-1402"
value="+12016061402"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">2016061402</a>
43200 7200 1209600 86400</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="http://riskiq.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">riskiq.net</a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">SOA
<a
href="http://ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk</a>.
<a
href="http://awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">
awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com</a>. 1 7200 900 1209600 86400</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">Now
as you can see - those
above examples allow you
to get (or build) an
email list. Most will
normally point to the
providers service, but,
some that are DIY'ing
their hosting, it might
not be.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">Kind
regards,<br>
<br>
Chris</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
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style="text-align:center"
align="center"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">"allison nixon" <<a
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"nathalie
coupet" <<a
href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday,
30 May, 2017 21:52:32<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Principle on
Proportionality for
"Thin Data"access</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">so can you name one
specific example of
how someone could
abuse thin data?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">On Tue, May 30, 2017
at 4:50 PM, nathalie
coupet via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>
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style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#222222">Abuse</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#222222"> is
the improper
usage or
treatment of
an </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity" title="Entity"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#0b0080;background:white">entity</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#222222">,
often to </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributive_justice"
title="Distributive
justice"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#0b0080;background:white">unfairly</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#222222"> or
improperly
gain benefit.
In our
context, abuse
is the
improper usage
of WHOIS/RDS
to unfairly or
improperly
gain access to
information or
to game the
system. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#222222">Here
are some of
the
overarching
principles
which should
guide us when
building RDS: </span><span
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<p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#222222">DATA
LIFECYCLE
PRIVACY
PRINCIPLE
PROTECTION
MEASURE</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#222222">Collection
Proportionality
and purpose
specification
Data
minimisation,
Data quality</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#222222">Storage
Accountability,
Security
measures,
Sensitive data
Confidentiality, Encryption, Pseudonomisation</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#222222">Sharing
and processing
Lawfulness and
fairness,
Consent, Right
of access
Data access
control, Data
leakage
prevention</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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<p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#222222">Deletion
Openness,
Right to
erasure
Retention,
Archival,
Erasure</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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<p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#222222">If
such
principles are
not respected,
ICANN will be
liable.
Consumers
don't need to
have all the
thin data when
making a
query. This
could protect
them and
enable them to
have access to
the RDS
without
raising much
opposition. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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<p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:#222222">Now,
we could
discuss the
possibility
for broader
query types.
These
principles
would still
apply, but
would be
contextualized
in order to
take into
account new
sets of
parameters for
each broader
query. By
increasing
granularity as
much as
possible,
while applying
these
aformentioned
principles, we
just might
find a way to
accomodate
everyone. </span><span
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style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">On
Tuesday, May
30, 2017 4:00
PM, John
Horton <<a
href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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was going to
reply to
Natalie's
email as well,
but Paul's
comments
capture my
thoughts, so:
<b>+1. </b></span></p>
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President and
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LegitScript</span><span
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style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">On
Tue, May 30,
2017 at 12:57
PM, Paul
Keating <<a
href="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">paul@law.es</a>>
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style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">Thank
you for the
email. Im
copying the
list because i
see others
have replied
to your
comment.</span></p>
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style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">I
strenuously
object to the
concept. We
are discussing
THIN DATA ONLY
HERE. Unless
someone can
explain to me
why any of
this data set
has privacy
concerns this
is a
non-issue. I
would
certainly
appreciate
someone
explaining
what, if any,
privacy issues
are perceived
to be at issue
here.</span></p>
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style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">Moreover,
while you
suggest that
the idea
escapes the
need to
declare a
purpose, it
does nothing
but reinforce
a subjective
criteria based
system in
which the
declared
purpose is
used to
somehow limit
the data being
retrieved.</span></p>
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something
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On 30 May
2017, at
21:08,
nathalie
coupet via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">In
the context of
thin data, in
view of the
opposition of
some to allow
unauthenticated access to all the thin data, the principle of
proportionality
serves as an
over-arching
principle at
this
particular
phase in our
work in order
to protect
data from
abuse while
not
restricting
access. </span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">Thin
data must be
proportionate
to the query,
be useful for
that
particular
query. All and
any other thin
data foreign
to this query
should not be
shared. This
principle
potentially
avoids having
to resort to
'legitimate
purposes'
which cannot
be verified
for
unauthenticated
access. </span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">Nathalie </span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:'Arial',sans-serif;color:black">On
Tuesday, May
30, 2017 2:44
PM, "Gomes,
Chuck via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">Because
Nathalie was
the originator
and was unable
to speak on
the call, I
encourage her
to describe
the nature of
the issue on
this thread.</span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">Chuck</span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><a
name="m_-861377980062100921_m_-1108286820301507687_m_-25519640710405"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"> </span></a><span></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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<p
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style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">
<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.
org</a> [<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-
bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Paul
Keating<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday, May
30, 2017 2:17
PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Lisa Phifer
<<a
href="mailto:lisa@corecom.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lisa@corecom.com</a>>; RDS PDP
WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[EXTERNAL] Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">Im
sorry to have
missed the
call but had a
client
engagement.</span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">Can
someone
briefly
describe the
nature of the
issue?</span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
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<div>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">Thanks</span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">Paul</span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p
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style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"><<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@
icann.org</a>>
on behalf of
Lisa Phifer
<<a
href="mailto:lisa@corecom.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lisa@corecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday,
May 30, 2017
at 7:52 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>RDS
PDP WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Principle on
Proportionality
for "Thin
Data"access</span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black">All,
per today's
call action
item:<br>
<br>
<b>Action
Item: Nathalie
Coupet and any
other WG
members who
wish to do so
to propose to
the WG list a
new principle
on
proportionality
for "thin
data." All WG
members to
comment on
that proposed
principle in
advance of
next call.<br>
<br>
</b>we are
starting a new
thread here
which anyone
may reply to
if they wish
to propose (or
respond to) a
new principle
on
proportionality
for "thin
data" access.<br>
<br>
Best, Lisa</span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica',sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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