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It is still stored by the provider in a service operated by the
provider and edited with an interface created by the provider using
whatever business logic or validation that is written by the
provider. Fine, control is not the precise word.<br>
<br>
All that being said, if SOA is ok even when editable only by an
interface by the provider then so is all WHOIS data which is entered
by the consumer. It really is either/or here. You can't on one
hand say there are no privacy implications of SOA and then turn
around when you have an almost identical set of facts and cry
privacy foul over whois.<br>
<br>
j<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/31/2017 9:46 AM, Chris Pelling
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:2014884081.300126.1496242000129.JavaMail.zimbra@netearth.net">
<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000">
<div>John,</div>
<div><br data-mce-bogus="1">
</div>
<div>You are entirely wrong in your statement : <span
style="color: #000000; font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline
!important; float: none;" data-mce-style="color: #000000;
font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff;
text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color:
initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">Point in
fact, for consumers, SOA is NOT under control of the
consumer.</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yet many of the largest and paid service allow you to edit
just that record as the consumer.</div>
<div><br data-mce-bogus="1">
</div>
<div data-marker="__SIG_PRE__">Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Chris</div>
<br>
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<div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>To: </b>"Paul Keating" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:paul@law.es"><paul@law.es></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, 31 May, 2017 15:14:53<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle
on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access<br>
</div>
<br>
<div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__">
<div>Point in fact, for consumers, SOA is NOT under control of
the consumer. I would bet a very rare set of consumers who
own domains actually run their own DNS servers. They are
either using the registrar or their hosting provider. </div>
<br>
<div>Sure they put in the data. But that is also true of
whois/rds. No one does this for the consumer. They put in
all their own data. Considering the number of domains under
the control of various registrars that still accept all 0s
for phone number, no one verifies that data either. </div>
<br>
<div>This does, however, reinforce that making whois for free
solves almost all of this issue. If consumers have a true
choice that's free and the choices are explained, all of
these privacy issues almost completely are resolved. </div>
<br>
<div>J<br>
<br>
<div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
</div>
<div><br>
On May 31, 2017, at 08:38, Paul Keating <<a
href="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">paul@law.es</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
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<div>
<div>+1!<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad</div>
<div><br>
On 31 May 2017, at 11:38, Victoria Sheckler <<a
href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vsheckler@riaa.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Sullivan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Pelling <<a
href="mailto:chris@netearth.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chris@netearth.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Principle on Proportionality for "Thin
Data"access</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This is a pretty strained
example, since the RDS is irrelevant here. You
can get the SOAs in the examples as soon as you
know the domain name. You have no need to
consult RDS at all. And the SOA is completely
under the control of the DNS operator, and in
the absence of Internet Protocol Police you can
put whatever you want in there for your own
zones. No real dns admin has trusted that field
for years. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This repetitious and always
fruitless discussion of whether anyone can get
any data to "abuse" out of the thin data seems
to miss the point of why we started with thin
data: it was supposed to be easy. I've yet to
hear even one remotely plausible issue with
respect to any of this data, because it's all
needed by virtue of creating a name space on the
Internet. That's what domain name registrations
do, so if you don't want to expose this much
data you shouldn't register domain names.
Unless someone can come up with a single
concrete example of something problematic, I'd
like us to move on to a topic where there's some
substance to discuss. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">A</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">-- </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Andrew Sullivan </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please excuse my clumbsy
thums. </p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On May 30, 2017, at 17:22, Chris Pelling <<a
href="mailto:chris@netearth.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chris@netearth.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">ok
- a thought :</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thin
data includes nameservers, being able to
<strong><span
data-mce-style="text-decoration:
underline;" style="text-decoration:
underline;"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">mass</span></span></strong>
collect thin data gaining NS information
then allows you to do a DIG of a SOA
record on the DNS service to gain the
email address of the hostmaster :
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Some
examples (radomly picked from the list)
:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="http://gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gmail.com</a>
:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">SOA
<a href="http://ns1.google.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ns1.google.com</a>.
<a href="http://dns-admin.google.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
dns-admin.google.com</a>. 157458041
900 900 1800 60<br>
<a href="http://netearthone.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">netearthone.com</a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">SOA
<a href="http://ns1.netearth.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ns1.netearth.net</a>.
<a href="http://root.netearthone.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
root.netearthone.com</a>. 2016090201
14400 3600 1209600 86400</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="http://law.es" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">law.es</a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">SOA
<a href="http://ns1.eurodns.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ns1.eurodns.com</a>.
<a href="http://hostmaster.eurodns.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
hostmaster.eurodns.com</a>. 2016061402
43200 7200 1209600 86400</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="http://riskiq.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">riskiq.net</a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">SOA
<a href="http://ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ns-1754.awsdns-27.co.uk</a>.
<a
href="http://awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
awsdns-hostmaster.amazon.com</a>. 1
7200 900 1209600 86400</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Now
as you can see - those above examples
allow you to get (or build) an email
list. Most will normally point to the
providers service, but, some that are
DIY'ing their hosting, it might not be.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kind
regards,<br>
<br>
Chris</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">"allison
nixon" <<a
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"nathalie coupet" <<a
href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, 30 May, 2017
21:52:32<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Principle on Proportionality for
"Thin Data"access</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">so
can you name one specific example of
how someone could abuse thin data?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On
Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM,
nathalie coupet via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<blockquote
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Abuse</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> is
the improper usage or
treatment of an </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity" target="_blank"
title="Entity"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B0080;background:white">entity</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">,
often to </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributive_justice"
target="_blank"
title="Distributive
justice"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B0080;background:white">unfairly</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> or
improperly gain benefit. In
our context, abuse is the
improper usage of WHOIS/RDS
to unfairly or improperly
gain access to information
or to game the system. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
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id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Here
are some of the overarching
principles which should
guide us when building RDS: </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
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<div
id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287437">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">DATA
LIFECYCLE
PRIVACY PRINCIPLE
PROTECTION MEASURE</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287897">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Collection
Proportionality and purpose
specification
Data minimisation,
Data quality</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287900">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Storage
Accountability, Security
measures, Sensitive data
Confidentiality,
Encryption, Pseudonomisation</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287903">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Sharing
and processing Lawfulness
and fairness, Consent, Right
of access Data access
control, Data leakage
prevention</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Deletion
Openness, Right to erasure
Retention,
Archival, Erasure</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
<div
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
<div
id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">If
such principles are not
respected, ICANN will be
liable. Consumers don't need
to have all the thin data
when making a query. This
could protect them and
enable them to have access
to the RDS without raising
much opposition. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
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id="m_-1108286820301507687yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1496151286812_287906">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
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apply, but would be
contextualized in order to
take into account new sets
of parameters for each
broader query. By increasing
granularity as much as
possible, while applying
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thoughts, so:
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">On
Tue, May 30,
2017 at 12:57
PM, Paul
Keating <<a
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Thank
you for the
email. Im
copying the
list because i
see others
have replied
to your
comment.</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I
strenuously
object to the
concept. We
are discussing
THIN DATA ONLY
HERE. Unless
someone can
explain to me
why any of
this data set
has privacy
concerns this
is a
non-issue. I
would
certainly
appreciate
someone
explaining
what, if any,
privacy issues
are perceived
to be at issue
here.</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Moreover,
while you
suggest that
the idea
escapes the
need to
declare a
purpose, it
does nothing
but reinforce
a subjective
criteria based
system in
which the
declared
purpose is
used to
somehow limit
the data being
retrieved.</span></p>
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i am missing
something
please let me
know. </span></p>
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On 30 May
2017, at
21:08,
nathalie
coupet via
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<<a
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Paul,</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">In
the context of
thin data, in
view of the
opposition of
some to allow
unauthenticated access to all the thin data, the principle of
proportionality
serves as an
over-arching
principle at
this
particular
phase in our
work in order
to protect
data from
abuse while
not
restricting
access. </span></p>
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data must be
proportionate
to the query,
be useful for
that
particular
query. All and
any other thin
data foreign
to this query
should not be
shared. This
principle
potentially
avoids having
to resort to
'legitimate
purposes'
which cannot
be verified
for
unauthenticated
access. </span></p>
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Tuesday, May
30, 2017 2:44
PM, "Gomes,
Chuck via
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<<a
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Nathalie was
the originator
and was unable
to speak on
the call, I
encourage her
to describe
the nature of
the issue on
this thread.</span><span
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<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.
org</a> [<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-
bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Paul
Keating<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday, May
30, 2017 2:17
PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Lisa Phifer
<<a
href="mailto:lisa@corecom.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lisa@corecom.com</a>>; RDS PDP
WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[EXTERNAL] Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access</span><span
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sorry to have
missed the
call but had a
client
engagement.</span><span
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someone
briefly
describe the
nature of the
issue?</span><span
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</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@
icann.org</a>>
on behalf of
Lisa Phifer
<<a
href="mailto:lisa@corecom.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lisa@corecom.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday,
May 30, 2017
at 7:52 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>RDS
PDP WG <<a
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<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Principle on
Proportionality
for "Thin
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per today's
call action
item:<br>
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<b>Action
Item: Nathalie
Coupet and any
other WG
members who
wish to do so
to propose to
the WG list a
new principle
on
proportionality
for "thin
data." All WG
members to
comment on
that proposed
principle in
advance of
next call.<br>
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</b>we are
starting a new
thread here
which anyone
may reply to
if they wish
to propose (or
respond to) a
new principle
on
proportionality
for "thin
data" access.<br>
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Best, Lisa</span><span
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